Where's the Glory to be Found?
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I have pursued a career in the nuts and bolts of software development mainly because I love working with technology, and I have the talents for that. My brother has pursued his career in the management of teams of people like me. He earned an MBA, and generally works in middle management as a Project Leader. He is charged with managing multi-million dollar budgets, but he couldn't program his way out of a paper bag. I can write multi-threaded apps, but I don't understand the first thing about corporate finance. It's the administrators at NASA that manage the space program, but it's the astronauts who consistently get all the admiration. So my question is: Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
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I have pursued a career in the nuts and bolts of software development mainly because I love working with technology, and I have the talents for that. My brother has pursued his career in the management of teams of people like me. He earned an MBA, and generally works in middle management as a Project Leader. He is charged with managing multi-million dollar budgets, but he couldn't program his way out of a paper bag. I can write multi-threaded apps, but I don't understand the first thing about corporate finance. It's the administrators at NASA that manage the space program, but it's the astronauts who consistently get all the admiration. So my question is: Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
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Richie308 wrote:
Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
Managers have nothing to take the credit for without programmers.
A team of developers can produce quality software without a manager (see open source projects). Still I'm not saying they are not useful, especially if you are building a wonderful cathedral...
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I have pursued a career in the nuts and bolts of software development mainly because I love working with technology, and I have the talents for that. My brother has pursued his career in the management of teams of people like me. He earned an MBA, and generally works in middle management as a Project Leader. He is charged with managing multi-million dollar budgets, but he couldn't program his way out of a paper bag. I can write multi-threaded apps, but I don't understand the first thing about corporate finance. It's the administrators at NASA that manage the space program, but it's the astronauts who consistently get all the admiration. So my question is: Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
When the project is a success and it is loved by all then all the glory and credit goes to the boss for handling the show in such a way to get a result. As soon as a bug is found, the credit roles down hill, along with the ***t to the developers.
"More functions should disregard input values and just return 12. It would make life easier." - comment posted on WTF
"I haven't spoken to my wife now for 48 hours. I don't like to interrupt her.
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I have pursued a career in the nuts and bolts of software development mainly because I love working with technology, and I have the talents for that. My brother has pursued his career in the management of teams of people like me. He earned an MBA, and generally works in middle management as a Project Leader. He is charged with managing multi-million dollar budgets, but he couldn't program his way out of a paper bag. I can write multi-threaded apps, but I don't understand the first thing about corporate finance. It's the administrators at NASA that manage the space program, but it's the astronauts who consistently get all the admiration. So my question is: Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
Deserved claim to the glory is one thing........ In actuality it's the management who get the plaudits as they are nearer to the project sponsors etc so they can promote themselves in a favourable light; and it's also up to the managers to relay any worthy efforts by their "underlings", which doesn't always happen as it may take some of the glory off the manager. I'm fed up of hearing about "my team", "me", "I" etc from my managers. Yes they are a focus for the team but once in a while it would be really good to hear "THE team" or "Our team", instead of self promoting self interested me me me me. Rant over.
I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
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I have pursued a career in the nuts and bolts of software development mainly because I love working with technology, and I have the talents for that. My brother has pursued his career in the management of teams of people like me. He earned an MBA, and generally works in middle management as a Project Leader. He is charged with managing multi-million dollar budgets, but he couldn't program his way out of a paper bag. I can write multi-threaded apps, but I don't understand the first thing about corporate finance. It's the administrators at NASA that manage the space program, but it's the astronauts who consistently get all the admiration. So my question is: Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
Richie308 wrote:
which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer
Neither - remember: without the telephone sanitation engineers we'd all be dead... :) (HHGTTG for the ill-read amongst you)
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When the project is a success and it is loved by all then all the glory and credit goes to the boss for handling the show in such a way to get a result. As soon as a bug is found, the credit roles down hill, along with the ***t to the developers.
"More functions should disregard input values and just return 12. It would make life easier." - comment posted on WTF
"I haven't spoken to my wife now for 48 hours. I don't like to interrupt her.
yeah that’s pretty much it though if i was a boss i'd treat my team and give them an equal share of any lime light, if there were bugs i'd take the rap and give the programmers equal shares of the pain. but then i can sort of program so i doubt i'd get employed as a manager now as i know to much. but it would be harder to pull the wool over my eyes when the programmer says it's possible and i know it isn’t. :)
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I have pursued a career in the nuts and bolts of software development mainly because I love working with technology, and I have the talents for that. My brother has pursued his career in the management of teams of people like me. He earned an MBA, and generally works in middle management as a Project Leader. He is charged with managing multi-million dollar budgets, but he couldn't program his way out of a paper bag. I can write multi-threaded apps, but I don't understand the first thing about corporate finance. It's the administrators at NASA that manage the space program, but it's the astronauts who consistently get all the admiration. So my question is: Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
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I have pursued a career in the nuts and bolts of software development mainly because I love working with technology, and I have the talents for that. My brother has pursued his career in the management of teams of people like me. He earned an MBA, and generally works in middle management as a Project Leader. He is charged with managing multi-million dollar budgets, but he couldn't program his way out of a paper bag. I can write multi-threaded apps, but I don't understand the first thing about corporate finance. It's the administrators at NASA that manage the space program, but it's the astronauts who consistently get all the admiration. So my question is: Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
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I have pursued a career in the nuts and bolts of software development mainly because I love working with technology, and I have the talents for that. My brother has pursued his career in the management of teams of people like me. He earned an MBA, and generally works in middle management as a Project Leader. He is charged with managing multi-million dollar budgets, but he couldn't program his way out of a paper bag. I can write multi-threaded apps, but I don't understand the first thing about corporate finance. It's the administrators at NASA that manage the space program, but it's the astronauts who consistently get all the admiration. So my question is: Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
I guess in a proper business everyone should have equal glory. They all have a part in failure or success and they should share equally in either.
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I have pursued a career in the nuts and bolts of software development mainly because I love working with technology, and I have the talents for that. My brother has pursued his career in the management of teams of people like me. He earned an MBA, and generally works in middle management as a Project Leader. He is charged with managing multi-million dollar budgets, but he couldn't program his way out of a paper bag. I can write multi-threaded apps, but I don't understand the first thing about corporate finance. It's the administrators at NASA that manage the space program, but it's the astronauts who consistently get all the admiration. So my question is: Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
Richie308 wrote:
Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
Which one gets paid more? Which one works fewer hours? Which one gets a reserved parking space? Which one gets invited to the company's retreat? Which one gets a company credit card? Which one can tell the other to come in on the weekend? Which one gets to fly at least business class? Which one ultimately makes bad decisions that kill the project? Which one ignores the advice of the other? However, glory for geeks and glory for managers are similar yet critically different. Marc
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Richie308 wrote:
Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
Which one gets paid more? Which one works fewer hours? Which one gets a reserved parking space? Which one gets invited to the company's retreat? Which one gets a company credit card? Which one can tell the other to come in on the weekend? Which one gets to fly at least business class? Which one ultimately makes bad decisions that kill the project? Which one ignores the advice of the other? However, glory for geeks and glory for managers are similar yet critically different. Marc
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I have pursued a career in the nuts and bolts of software development mainly because I love working with technology, and I have the talents for that. My brother has pursued his career in the management of teams of people like me. He earned an MBA, and generally works in middle management as a Project Leader. He is charged with managing multi-million dollar budgets, but he couldn't program his way out of a paper bag. I can write multi-threaded apps, but I don't understand the first thing about corporate finance. It's the administrators at NASA that manage the space program, but it's the astronauts who consistently get all the admiration. So my question is: Regarding software development, which job has claim to more of the glory ( management or programmer, ) and why do you think so?
-------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke
I like the NASCAR approach. Everytime a driver wins, he thanks his team for helping. He admits that he couldn't have done it without them. Yes, he drives the car (project to us), but if it's not good, he doesn't win. Actually, I have yet to see that in F1.:~
"Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..." "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."
