Netron Project Replacement
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it's chock full of .Net-y goodness? Oh, and looks like you can't use it in anything commercial. So, yeah. That.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
I was able to add a graph with a few lines of code
and so can Graphviz, thus the question.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
This one's made for .NET
So far this is the only difference. My response would be, "so?" If you reinvent the wheel but say it is only meant for dodge cars, my response would still be the same. :)
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it's chock full of .Net-y goodness? Oh, and looks like you can't use it in anything commercial. So, yeah. That.
every night, i kneel at the foot of my bed and thank the Great Overseeing Politicians for protecting my freedoms by reducing their number, as if they were deer in a state park. -- Chris Losinger, Online Poker Players?
Shog9 wrote:
Oh, and looks like you can't use it in anything commercial.
I did say it was from Microsoft. That should have been sufficient. :-D
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Shog9 wrote:
Oh, and looks like you can't use it in anything commercial.
I did say it was from Microsoft. That should have been sufficient. :-D
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable an ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." - Albert Einstein Web - Blog - RSS - Math - LinkedIn - BM
Yeah... ;) It's funny though; there seems to be a re-occurring thread here where someone complains about Project X being crap because it's GPL and that's no good for commercial use due to the viral nature of the license... in this case, using the MS library explicitly limits your project to educational use, regardless of what you use it for or how you distribute it.
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actually, I have no need for it ... but I'll enjoy digging into the code and the general messing around with it.
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Yeah... ;) It's funny though; there seems to be a re-occurring thread here where someone complains about Project X being crap because it's GPL and that's no good for commercial use due to the viral nature of the license... in this case, using the MS library explicitly limits your project to educational use, regardless of what you use it for or how you distribute it.
every night, i kneel at the foot of my bed and thank the Great Overseeing Politicians for protecting my freedoms by reducing their number, as if they were deer in a state park. -- Chris Losinger, Online Poker Players?
Shog9 wrote:
in this case, using the MS library explicitly limits your project to educational use, regardless of what you use it for or how you distribute it.
and then it is paraded as a "new technology" and announced as the holy grail of .... (insert technology). :) I am neither a fan, nor an opponent of either GPL or MS. They both simply "are" -- they exist. Both have pros, both have cons, as do all other sources of software. You learn all you can, ask what you can't find, and maybe someone knows something you don't. And then don't kick yourself for not knowing it. :) no one knows everything. :) Except, maybe, the great and powerful Shog9. But the big problem is, I can't just share everything I know, I don't know what other people don't know. :) I have been graphing with GraphViz for years, I didn't know everyone didn't know about it. I learned about it through Doxygen, then started making my own graphs directly for various presentations, or inserting directly into Doxygen documentation. It is amazingly easy. It really doesn't get complicated until you need multi-word graph titles for nodes. Single word graphs can be put together so fast that a south carolina miss teen USA member could write a graph! ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Yeah... ;) It's funny though; there seems to be a re-occurring thread here where someone complains about Project X being crap because it's GPL and that's no good for commercial use due to the viral nature of the license... in this case, using the MS library explicitly limits your project to educational use, regardless of what you use it for or how you distribute it.
every night, i kneel at the foot of my bed and thank the Great Overseeing Politicians for protecting my freedoms by reducing their number, as if they were deer in a state park. -- Chris Losinger, Online Poker Players?
I've seen a couple of MS Research projects which looked interesting but had ridiculous licensing terms like this, which, IMHO, is no different than putting it under the GPL.
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I've been playing around with Microsoft's Graph Layout Engine (GLEE)[^]. I'm impressed. It's pretty straight forward and simple to use. :cool:
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
It's pretty straight forward and simple to use.
Eh? Then they bought out some "mom and pop" company and stuck Microsoft on it. Just give it a full version release and 1 service pack it'll bog down.:-D
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I've been playing around with Microsoft's Graph Layout Engine (GLEE)[^]. I'm impressed. It's pretty straight forward and simple to use. :cool:
"There are II kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who understand Roman numerals." - Bassam Abdul-Baki Web - Blog - RSS - Math - LinkedIn - BM
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Shog9 wrote:
in this case, using the MS library explicitly limits your project to educational use, regardless of what you use it for or how you distribute it.
and then it is paraded as a "new technology" and announced as the holy grail of .... (insert technology). :) I am neither a fan, nor an opponent of either GPL or MS. They both simply "are" -- they exist. Both have pros, both have cons, as do all other sources of software. You learn all you can, ask what you can't find, and maybe someone knows something you don't. And then don't kick yourself for not knowing it. :) no one knows everything. :) Except, maybe, the great and powerful Shog9. But the big problem is, I can't just share everything I know, I don't know what other people don't know. :) I have been graphing with GraphViz for years, I didn't know everyone didn't know about it. I learned about it through Doxygen, then started making my own graphs directly for various presentations, or inserting directly into Doxygen documentation. It is amazingly easy. It really doesn't get complicated until you need multi-word graph titles for nodes. Single word graphs can be put together so fast that a south carolina miss teen USA member could write a graph! ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
I learned about it through Doxygen, then started making my own graphs directly for various presentations, or inserting directly into Doxygen documentation.
Article...? ;)
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I've seen a couple of MS Research projects which looked interesting but had ridiculous licensing terms like this, which, IMHO, is no different than putting it under the GPL.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
IMHO, is no different than putting it under the GPL.
Actually, it is. I work on a lot of internal apps that, although i'm unable to release the code outside of the company, will never be available externally... so GPL is a non-issue - i'm more than happy to make the code available for any "user" that asks. From the sound of it, i'm still prevented from using this graphing library in any such project.
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El Corazon wrote:
I learned about it through Doxygen, then started making my own graphs directly for various presentations, or inserting directly into Doxygen documentation.
Article...? ;)
every night, i kneel at the foot of my bed and thank the Great Overseeing Politicians for protecting my freedoms by reducing their number, as if they were deer in a state park. -- Chris Losinger, Online Poker Players?
Shog9 wrote:
Article...?
I thought everyone was XML headers and C# now and didn't need doxygen articles.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
It's pretty straight forward and simple to use.
Eh? Then they bought out some "mom and pop" company and stuck Microsoft on it. Just give it a full version release and 1 service pack it'll bog down.:-D
That's funny and usually true. However, they do have it under MS Research, which SysInternals was placed under, but I have to assume actual development here. :-D
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Shog9 wrote:
in this case, using the MS library explicitly limits your project to educational use, regardless of what you use it for or how you distribute it.
and then it is paraded as a "new technology" and announced as the holy grail of .... (insert technology). :) I am neither a fan, nor an opponent of either GPL or MS. They both simply "are" -- they exist. Both have pros, both have cons, as do all other sources of software. You learn all you can, ask what you can't find, and maybe someone knows something you don't. And then don't kick yourself for not knowing it. :) no one knows everything. :) Except, maybe, the great and powerful Shog9. But the big problem is, I can't just share everything I know, I don't know what other people don't know. :) I have been graphing with GraphViz for years, I didn't know everyone didn't know about it. I learned about it through Doxygen, then started making my own graphs directly for various presentations, or inserting directly into Doxygen documentation. It is amazingly easy. It really doesn't get complicated until you need multi-word graph titles for nodes. Single word graphs can be put together so fast that a south carolina miss teen USA member could write a graph! ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
I have been graphing with GraphViz for years
You have any good samples? From what I've seen online, Graphviz doesn't seem to have any.
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Shog9 wrote:
Article...?
I thought everyone was XML headers and C# now and didn't need doxygen articles.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Heh, well... at some point, native development will be cool again... right?
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El Corazon wrote:
I have been graphing with GraphViz for years
You have any good samples? From what I've seen online, Graphviz doesn't seem to have any.
"I know which side I want to win regardless of how many wrongs they have to commit to achieve it." - Stan Shannon Web - Blog - RSS - Math - LinkedIn - BM
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
You have any good samples?
I will have to find some I could show. I can't post my parallel designs from work and my recent bid outside of work precludes using those. I guess I could use neato to do a mind-map that is pretty easy. However there are several in the dotguide.pdf
digraph G { main -> parse -> execute; main -> init; main -> cleanup; execute -> make_string; execute -> printf init -> make_string; main -> printf; execute -> compare; }is the first from dotguide[^] it produces a simple branching flow. Then they "pretty it up" with various colors, line types, and node types, weighted lines, etc. Dot and neato take the same language structure, but produce different types of graphs. Dot tries to line up nodes and flow lines as much as possible. Neato tries to weight the distance from node to node (which tends to produce curves than straight). Neato is good for mind maps: (off the top of my head -- not going to try to run it)digraph MindMap { baking_a_cake->bake_cake baking_a_cake->ice_cake ice_cake->mix_icing mix_icing->add_food_dye mix_icing->mix_together ice_cake->spread_icing_on_cake_smoothly bake_cake->make_mix bake_cake->grease_pan bake_cake->set_oven_375F bake_cake->wait_until_lightly_brown grease_pan->get_pan grease_pan->get_grease grease_pan->spread_grease_evenly_in_pan make_mix->add_mix make_mix->add_water make_mix->add_egg make_mix->mix_together bake_cake->add_mix_to_greased pan bake_cake->put_cake_in_oven }if you have no properties, name->name2 makes a link (and creates node if it doesn't exist). So all you have is a whole bunch of arrows and names. Subgraphs are similar, but not much different than the main digraph, so no big deal. Properties have lots of rules so you can customize link weights, colors, line-types, arrow-types, and even connection offsets._________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I've been playing around with Microsoft's Graph Layout Engine (GLEE)[^]. I'm impressed. It's pretty straight forward and simple to use. :cool:
"There are II kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who understand Roman numerals." - Bassam Abdul-Baki Web - Blog - RSS - Math - LinkedIn - BM
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actually, I have no need for it ... but I'll enjoy digging into the code and the general messing around with it.
:..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTL -
I've been playing around with Microsoft's Graph Layout Engine (GLEE)[^]. I'm impressed. It's pretty straight forward and simple to use. :cool:
"There are II kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who understand Roman numerals." - Bassam Abdul-Baki Web - Blog - RSS - Math - LinkedIn - BM
Reminds me of YWorks' yFILES[^]. The yEd thingy is one of the best free-to-use graph-tools I've ever seen. GraphViz is equally cool ;)
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