A box of Heinleiny goodness!
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If anyone I know here in Canada was served a skunky Molson they'd send it back.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
John Cardinal wrote:
they'd send it back
no... they'd send it to the US! Molson is synonymous with "skunk" in the US. do they have huge sunlights in the brewery ? even the Molson cans are skunked.
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I could never get into Heinlein. I found his writing really dull. But I think I'm unique there, because everyone else I know loves his stuff. Maybe I should give it another try. Marc
I read "Rocketship Galileo" when I was a kid. I couldn't tell you what it was about. I read "I Will Fear No Evil" about eight years later. I had to force myself to finish it. I read "Stranger in a Strange Land" a year later. I quit in the middle. My suspension of disbelief was completely wiped out. That was about twenty years ago. I haven't been able to bring myself to pick up any of his other books.
m.bergman
-- For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.
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I read "Rocketship Galileo" when I was a kid. I couldn't tell you what it was about. I read "I Will Fear No Evil" about eight years later. I had to force myself to finish it. I read "Stranger in a Strange Land" a year later. I quit in the middle. My suspension of disbelief was completely wiped out. That was about twenty years ago. I haven't been able to bring myself to pick up any of his other books.
m.bergman
-- For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.
That was my experience! Marc
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I could never get into Heinlein. I found his writing really dull. But I think I'm unique there, because everyone else I know loves his stuff. Maybe I should give it another try. Marc
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I read pretty much all the Heinlein back in the day and just realized recently that my wife had never read anything of his. We have very similar tastes in books and are definitely "reader monkeys" of the highest order. Our bookshelves are loaded with all the cream of the crop of fantasy and sci fi, but I had overlooked Heinlein entirely. A quick jump on to my favorite online used bookstore http://www.pandora.ca/[^] and I have 26 Heinlein books on their way, some for 3 bucks or less. If I was a collector they have many first editions for a *lot* of money, but I just want the text. What's cool about that book store is aside from excellent service and an astoundingly large catalog, they are perched right on the US / Canadian border and ship within the country of the order so no funky duty or holdups borderwise. I tried every local used book store and could only find 2 Heinlein books, I guess it's the sort of stuff that people hold on to. Lot's of enjoyable fall reading to look forward to.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
I think I've got everything he ever wrote. I'm quite the fan. My personal favorites: The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Time Enough for Love Starship Troopers (before you ask, yes, the movie sucked) Friday Even the stuff from Heinlein that was, well, crap was readable and fun (I'm thinking The Number of the Beast and later here).
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NICE! Funny enough I just finished "JOB: A Comedy of Justice", it was much better than I expected. Now, I plan on listening to the audio book version of "Time Enough for Love" that my wife gave me for my birthday this month.
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Chris Austin wrote:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
We'd never guess you were a fan. Welcome, brother! :-D
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Chris Austin wrote:
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
We'd never guess you were a fan. Welcome, brother! :-D
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delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
Welcome, brother!
Thank you. And that is just about the most palatable quote I could find without being sent on forced migration to the soapbox :)
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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I think I've got everything he ever wrote. I'm quite the fan. My personal favorites: The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Time Enough for Love Starship Troopers (before you ask, yes, the movie sucked) Friday Even the stuff from Heinlein that was, well, crap was readable and fun (I'm thinking The Number of the Beast and later here).
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delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
Starship Troopers (before you ask, yes, the movie sucked)
Oh! Don't even get me started.
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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John Cardinal wrote:
they'd send it back
no... they'd send it to the US! Molson is synonymous with "skunk" in the US. do they have huge sunlights in the brewery ? even the Molson cans are skunked.
Actually there are all sorts of Molson beers here in Canada so I dont' know which one you mean, but I've never had a skunky beer out of a can before. TBH I don't drink Molson anything, out west here and really specifically here in this northern half of Vancouver Island Lucky lager[^] is the definitive beer out here. It's cheap and not too bad, but when I want a decent beer I buy a Stella or something funky like a microbrewery honey ale in a giant bottle. Purportedly were all supposed to drink Kokanee out here in BC but I suspect more easterners drink it than anyone else because I almost never see anybody here drinking it even though it's made here. It was big 20 years ago. The single saddest thing I think I've seen beer wise lately is a lot of younger people drinking Budweiser which is a dagger to my beer loving heart. If I was at a party and given a choice between budweiser and weasel piss I'd honestly think twice.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
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I think I've got everything he ever wrote. I'm quite the fan. My personal favorites: The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Time Enough for Love Starship Troopers (before you ask, yes, the movie sucked) Friday Even the stuff from Heinlein that was, well, crap was readable and fun (I'm thinking The Number of the Beast and later here).
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delete this;I was an avid fan back about 22 years ago and read everything I could get my hands on from the library, also Dick, Vonnegut, Simak, Bradbury at the time, then went on to William Gibson and the like and kind of forgot about Heinlein until a discussion about Starship Troopers came up with the guy who built our gazebo when we were discussing Old man's war by John Scalzi[^] which it reminded him of when I described it (an excellent book and series I highly recommend them) and I realized it was high time I really get down to it, get every Heinlein novel and read them through again. I've got 28 coming in over the next week from here and there, but I'll still be short a few of the early stuff from the 40's to the 50's. Can't wait to sink my eyes into them. I never did see the movie Starship Troopers so I guess I didn't miss anything. Once you've read enough Heinlein and *get* what he's trying to do then stuff like Number of the Beast is definitely readable. I recall Stranger in a Strange Land being my favorite at the time, interesting to see if my tastes have changed or not after all these years.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
Welcome, brother!
Thank you. And that is just about the most palatable quote I could find without being sent on forced migration to the soapbox :)
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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I think I've got everything he ever wrote. I'm quite the fan. My personal favorites: The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Time Enough for Love Starship Troopers (before you ask, yes, the movie sucked) Friday Even the stuff from Heinlein that was, well, crap was readable and fun (I'm thinking The Number of the Beast and later here).
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delete this;I actually liked Number of the Beast. Friday is also a personal favorite. I haven't read a lot of Heinlien though. Flynn
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I could never get into Heinlein. I found his writing really dull. But I think I'm unique there, because everyone else I know loves his stuff. Maybe I should give it another try. Marc
I agree: read most of his book as a kid and found they were not a patch on Asimov, Clarke or Niven/Pournelle. Frankly his style of writing is turgid and uninteresting. Just an opinion, fwiw.
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John Cardinal wrote:
they'd send it back
no... they'd send it to the US! Molson is synonymous with "skunk" in the US. do they have huge sunlights in the brewery ? even the Molson cans are skunked.
WTH is "skunked"? Sounds like you guys need better pest control... ;P
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Actually there are all sorts of Molson beers here in Canada so I dont' know which one you mean, but I've never had a skunky beer out of a can before. TBH I don't drink Molson anything, out west here and really specifically here in this northern half of Vancouver Island Lucky lager[^] is the definitive beer out here. It's cheap and not too bad, but when I want a decent beer I buy a Stella or something funky like a microbrewery honey ale in a giant bottle. Purportedly were all supposed to drink Kokanee out here in BC but I suspect more easterners drink it than anyone else because I almost never see anybody here drinking it even though it's made here. It was big 20 years ago. The single saddest thing I think I've seen beer wise lately is a lot of younger people drinking Budweiser which is a dagger to my beer loving heart. If I was at a party and given a choice between budweiser and weasel piss I'd honestly think twice.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
John Cardinal wrote:
If I was at a party and given a choice between budweiser and weasel piss I'd honestly think twice.
If i was at a party and given the choice between Bud and weasel piss, i'd really be wondering what the hell kind of party i was at...
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I was an avid fan back about 22 years ago and read everything I could get my hands on from the library, also Dick, Vonnegut, Simak, Bradbury at the time, then went on to William Gibson and the like and kind of forgot about Heinlein until a discussion about Starship Troopers came up with the guy who built our gazebo when we were discussing Old man's war by John Scalzi[^] which it reminded him of when I described it (an excellent book and series I highly recommend them) and I realized it was high time I really get down to it, get every Heinlein novel and read them through again. I've got 28 coming in over the next week from here and there, but I'll still be short a few of the early stuff from the 40's to the 50's. Can't wait to sink my eyes into them. I never did see the movie Starship Troopers so I guess I didn't miss anything. Once you've read enough Heinlein and *get* what he's trying to do then stuff like Number of the Beast is definitely readable. I recall Stranger in a Strange Land being my favorite at the time, interesting to see if my tastes have changed or not after all these years.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
John Cardinal wrote:
Old man's war by John Scalzi
Very, very :cool:. I hope Scalzi gets off his butt and writes more, I'm going into withdrawal here...
John Cardinal wrote:
I never did see the movie Starship Troopers so I guess I didn't miss anything.
No you didn't. They turned it into a generic Hollywood CG-generated-monster shoot'em-up.
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I actually liked Number of the Beast. Friday is also a personal favorite. I haven't read a lot of Heinlien though. Flynn
If we can't corrupt the youth of today,
the adults of tomorrow will be no fun...The Number of the Beast was fun. I just don't think it was as good as some of his older stuff. Of the final books he wrote, I think Friday was the best.
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I think I've got everything he ever wrote. I'm quite the fan. My personal favorites: The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Time Enough for Love Starship Troopers (before you ask, yes, the movie sucked) Friday Even the stuff from Heinlein that was, well, crap was readable and fun (I'm thinking The Number of the Beast and later here).
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The Number of the Beast was fun. I just don't think it was as good as some of his older stuff. Of the final books he wrote, I think Friday was the best.
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delete this;I agree - Friday is a great book, one of a very few that I can happily re-read time after time.
Matt
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I agree - Friday is a great book, one of a very few that I can happily re-read time after time.
Matt
Indeed. I went on a week-long bicycle tour back in June. Get up at 5:30, eat a huge stack of pancakes, ride 50-60 miles, set up camp, play tourist for a few hours, read* until dark, sleep, repeat. My idea of the perfect vacation. * This year I took a bunch of Heinleins with me. I reread The Past Through Tomorrow, Time Enough for Love, and a couple of his 'juvenile' novels (The Star Beast, Have Space Suit: Will Travel).
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