Holding the door, how close?
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Depends if it's somebody higher ranking than you, then yes, somebody you like, yes female, yes carrying something heavy, yes all others, no.
Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice.
One should hold the door equally for anyone.
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One should hold the door equally for anyone.
For me this is true if the person is less than 10 feet away but after that there are some rules I follow.
John
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For me this is true if the person is less than 10 feet away but after that there are some rules I follow.
John
Yes, but apply the rules equally.
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John Cardinal wrote:
Nothing less than an airlock type system where you have to close the first door to open the second is going to be any kind of security at all.
I disagree, soldiers are bored, give them a chance to draw their weapon, and they are overjoyed. This is a very BAD type of joy to give to a soldier when you are on the receiving end....
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Joe Q wrote:
So I was wondering what everyone thought the door holding etiquette is in today’s society?
This is one of those eternal questions that will probably not be fully addressed in our lifetime. I do think, though, that by positing certain situations and possible outcomes we can arrive at an ethically neutral working societal model. The first question, as I see it, should be: "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Nothing. Doors open *for* Chuck Norris as soon as he stares at them.
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Are you implying you know a *lot* of women with male organs? Wow, quite an interesting crowd you travel in! :)
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Are you implying you know a *lot* of women with male organs? Wow, quite an interesting crowd you travel in! :)
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I'm implying that I know of the existance of a lot of people who appear completely female and would be referred to as "she" and have male organs which is why using the word "endowed" and "she" in the same sentance brings that to mind. I've never heard a woman described as being well endowed. Buxom perhaps, shapely, Rubinesque even stacked, but "endowed"?
Modo vincis, modo vinceris.
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I'm implying that I know of the existance of a lot of people who appear completely female and would be referred to as "she" and have male organs which is why using the word "endowed" and "she" in the same sentance brings that to mind. I've never heard a woman described as being well endowed. Buxom perhaps, shapely, Rubinesque even stacked, but "endowed"?
Modo vincis, modo vinceris.
OK - I was jusst razzin' you :)
John Cardinal wrote:
I've never heard a woman described as being well endowed.
Neither have I for that matter :)
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I mean security as in the discussion taking place, not security as in actually securing a building so people could be prevented from getting in.
Modo vincis, modo vinceris.
John Cardinal wrote:
I mean security as in the discussion taking place
There are two main reasons for security: 1) Physical security, locations, or objects that need to be protected or secured (bypassing security protocols is bad) 2) Intellectual security, ideas or concepts being developed or discussed are private and could affect the profit of the company or location (again bypassing security protocols is bad). if there is a badge to get in, the badge should be used. And I am all for chivalry and opening doors for someone, but not at the risk of any security. I have been to companies who have security for their intellectual ideas, and I have attended pre-release information meetings and have discussed with developers after the appropriate NDA's have been signed and sealed. And occasionally :rolleyes: even have to deal with the other kind of security. In either case, I don't hold doors open for those specific cases.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I'm implying that I know of the existance of a lot of people who appear completely female and would be referred to as "she" and have male organs which is why using the word "endowed" and "she" in the same sentance brings that to mind. I've never heard a woman described as being well endowed. Buxom perhaps, shapely, Rubinesque even stacked, but "endowed"?
Modo vincis, modo vinceris.
John Cardinal wrote:
but "endowed"?
I have, but it may be regional. generally reserved for one you are positive that those are natural, not surgically grown. It is used rarely because it is sometimes harder to tell.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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What is the proper etiquette for how from the door you should hold it for someone? Today I was about 30 feet away from a door and someone held the door for me. That’s about 7 seconds away. I felt obligated to rush to the door then a little upset that I did rush (I hadn’t had my coffee yet!). So I was wondering what everyone thought the door holding etiquette is in today’s society? Just Curiious
Joe Q My Blog
The interweb provides all answers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_td1X_c5Gg[^]
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Joe Q wrote:
What is the proper etiquette for how from the door you should hold it for someone?
I don't know if there is any rules, it all comes down to politeness. Who you are polite to, and probably also how much time you have on your hands. I will generally hold the door open for anyone. If I get to the door first, I hold it open and let them in first. It doesn't matter boss, general, private, or buxom blonde bombshell (or buxom blonde female for that matter). This has gotten me in trouble at times. Politeness is a dying breed I fear. Back in college in the 80's there was a lady with a stack of books going into the library. She was struggling to carry them all, all the way up to her chin. So I passed her, reached the door, and openned it for her. She gave me such a dirty look for presuming she was helpless, and huffed at me and said something, though the words are long since forgotten. Something intellectually close to me being a male chauvenist (or however you spell that). So I let the door go and walked inside without a response. I would have held that door for anyone, male, female, young or old. With that many books it would be difficult for someone to enter through the door. The doors were glass, so her joy at defending her own honor quickly diminished when she realized she had to hold the books with a knee and a hand while throwing the door open, without spilling any books, and then transfer back to her hand so she could walk with that leg. It took her several tries. I was careful not to help her again. :) Though since both of us were regulars to the library I think she realized that I did that for anyone else. I never stopped to find out if her opinion had changed.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Well done. My reaction would probably have been to suggest she do something anatomically impossible, a comparison between her ideology and that of a defunct German political party from the first half of the prior century, followed by a slammed door and gloating while she struggled. But I have a bit of a temper at times. :-O
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Well done. My reaction would probably have been to suggest she do something anatomically impossible, a comparison between her ideology and that of a defunct German political party from the first half of the prior century, followed by a slammed door and gloating while she struggled. But I have a bit of a temper at times. :-O
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
dan neely wrote:
But I have a bit of a temper at times.
I have almost no temper. If you manage to find it, it is time to ask yourself how hard you had to try to find it. :) But that doesn't mean I have to take that either. :) I will take a lot, once, but I will move on rapidly. She's intitled to her opinion, she just realized what that opinion cost her a moment later. kindness should never be considered a threat, if it is, then it's time to do some rethinking.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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dan neely wrote:
But I have a bit of a temper at times.
I have almost no temper. If you manage to find it, it is time to ask yourself how hard you had to try to find it. :) But that doesn't mean I have to take that either. :) I will take a lot, once, but I will move on rapidly. She's intitled to her opinion, she just realized what that opinion cost her a moment later. kindness should never be considered a threat, if it is, then it's time to do some rethinking.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Mine's tightly controlled now most of the time but I have a few buttons that will bring it to the surface. People who deliberately seek fault where none is intended is one of them. Looking back 10 or 15 years though I sometimes wonder that my parents never killed me and that my little sister never succeeded in provoking me into killing her.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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Mine's tightly controlled now most of the time but I have a few buttons that will bring it to the surface. People who deliberately seek fault where none is intended is one of them. Looking back 10 or 15 years though I sometimes wonder that my parents never killed me and that my little sister never succeeded in provoking me into killing her.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
dan neely wrote:
Looking back 10 or 15 years though I sometimes wonder that my parents never killed me and that my little sister never succeeded in provoking me into killing her.
not knowing your specifics, but having far too much experience in this, I would say because there is a big difference between loosing your temper, breaking or throwing things, and reaching for a weapon. When my brother got mad, you had the time between you saw the rage and him reachng the weapon to be out of range, if you failed, it would be the last time you failed. He broke chairs, windows, and even doors trying to put a baseball bat through my skull. He had the will, and the anger to kill, although I have no doubt you could in defense or provoked far enough, blind rage, a killing rage is thankfully rarer. I crossed that line into making my brother that mad many times. If I had not grown leaner until college, I probably would not have survived. Trust me, there is a BIG difference there. Another is consequences. You probably would feel regret, and mourn your sister, knowing that would have put in a barrier of hesitation. My brother would have missed someone to make sure lost at every game (for his own safety), but he would not have missed me. He would have blamed my death on my carelessness as he does now. I could not have won that game, I was not intellectually capable of beating him in anything, therefore I must have cheated, therefore I deserved to be punished, if I died in the process it would have been my own fault. But since I didn't die, there is no fault but my own carelessness in not loosing. You would have to be able to justify anythng and everything to everyone else (without exception), leaving no blame to yourself for anything you did, and no consequences, and no regret. That is a mental ability, again, that is rarer, thankfully.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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In addition to what the previous two posters said I will generally hold the door if it requires a badge swipe or key card to enter. As far as being 30 feet away sometimes I will and sometimes I will not. If its is a good looking woman 100% of the time I will hold the door. It also depends on if I am in a hurry or not. If I do hold the door and they are 30+ feet away I usually at that point tell the person that they do not have to run.
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John
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dan neely wrote:
Looking back 10 or 15 years though I sometimes wonder that my parents never killed me and that my little sister never succeeded in provoking me into killing her.
not knowing your specifics, but having far too much experience in this, I would say because there is a big difference between loosing your temper, breaking or throwing things, and reaching for a weapon. When my brother got mad, you had the time between you saw the rage and him reachng the weapon to be out of range, if you failed, it would be the last time you failed. He broke chairs, windows, and even doors trying to put a baseball bat through my skull. He had the will, and the anger to kill, although I have no doubt you could in defense or provoked far enough, blind rage, a killing rage is thankfully rarer. I crossed that line into making my brother that mad many times. If I had not grown leaner until college, I probably would not have survived. Trust me, there is a BIG difference there. Another is consequences. You probably would feel regret, and mourn your sister, knowing that would have put in a barrier of hesitation. My brother would have missed someone to make sure lost at every game (for his own safety), but he would not have missed me. He would have blamed my death on my carelessness as he does now. I could not have won that game, I was not intellectually capable of beating him in anything, therefore I must have cheated, therefore I deserved to be punished, if I died in the process it would have been my own fault. But since I didn't die, there is no fault but my own carelessness in not loosing. You would have to be able to justify anythng and everything to everyone else (without exception), leaving no blame to yourself for anything you did, and no consequences, and no regret. That is a mental ability, again, that is rarer, thankfully.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I never was as nuts as your brother, but after my mom decided we were old and mature enough not to need a sitter my sister decided to prove my mom wrong about my maturity by provoking me into lossing my temper completely beating her senseless. I don't think she ever realized how close she came to succeeding. If it wasn't the same 'brilliant' plan I'd came up with to be rid of the sitter in the first place I honestly don't know that I'd've seen through her quickly enough to take my anger out on safe inanimate objects like old tree stumps. I've mellowed out heavily since then but had gotten dangerously close to the abyss before doing so.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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Joe Q wrote:
What is the proper etiquette for how from the door you should hold it for someone?
I don't know if there is any rules, it all comes down to politeness. Who you are polite to, and probably also how much time you have on your hands. I will generally hold the door open for anyone. If I get to the door first, I hold it open and let them in first. It doesn't matter boss, general, private, or buxom blonde bombshell (or buxom blonde female for that matter). This has gotten me in trouble at times. Politeness is a dying breed I fear. Back in college in the 80's there was a lady with a stack of books going into the library. She was struggling to carry them all, all the way up to her chin. So I passed her, reached the door, and openned it for her. She gave me such a dirty look for presuming she was helpless, and huffed at me and said something, though the words are long since forgotten. Something intellectually close to me being a male chauvenist (or however you spell that). So I let the door go and walked inside without a response. I would have held that door for anyone, male, female, young or old. With that many books it would be difficult for someone to enter through the door. The doors were glass, so her joy at defending her own honor quickly diminished when she realized she had to hold the books with a knee and a hand while throwing the door open, without spilling any books, and then transfer back to her hand so she could walk with that leg. It took her several tries. I was careful not to help her again. :) Though since both of us were regulars to the library I think she realized that I did that for anyone else. I never stopped to find out if her opinion had changed.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
I never stopped to find out if her opinion had changed.
And because of that, we missed the ending of a good romantic story. :)
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El Corazon wrote:
I never stopped to find out if her opinion had changed.
And because of that, we missed the ending of a good romantic story. :)
Xiangyang Liu wrote:
And because of that, we missed the ending of a good romantic story.
Geek Dreams Directed by El Corazon (The Heart) "They met at the library, he held the door open, she rudely refused. Then she realized how nice he realy was, regretted her rudeness, couldn't get up the courage to apologize... and so they stared at each other across the stacks. Until one day he reached for 181.159 and she reached for 181.523 and they saw each other through the shelf. They both apologized for the misunderstanding, fell in love through Oriental Philosophy. And lived happily ever after...." until... Part II: War of the Roses[^]
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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What is the proper etiquette for how from the door you should hold it for someone? Today I was about 30 feet away from a door and someone held the door for me. That’s about 7 seconds away. I felt obligated to rush to the door then a little upset that I did rush (I hadn’t had my coffee yet!). So I was wondering what everyone thought the door holding etiquette is in today’s society? Just Curiious
Joe Q My Blog
If she's hot, you hold it until she goes through... :)
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