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  • D Dan Neely

    There's alot of stretching in the text. The breakthrough betavoltaic power cells are constructed from semiconductors and use radioisotopes as the energy source. Although betavoltaic batteries sound Nuclear they’re not, they’re neither use fission/fusion or chemical processes to produce energy and so (do not produce any radioactive or hazardous waste). Beta decay only occurs with radioactive materials. The stuff inside them is radioactive. Even assuming that at the end of the 30year lifespan the contents is mostly decayed to a stable isotope, does anyone expect that most of these won't wind up in the landfill with the 4 year old laptops they were sold with? The radioactivity might not be high enough to be a concern (less than or equal to background levels), and even if it's not as long as the containment isn't breached beta rays are easily stopped. A sheet of tinfoil is sufficient. If it's relying on containment to remain nonhazardous though it's only a matter of time before idiots manage to crack it open.

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    Colin Angus Mackay
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    dan neely wrote:

    If it's relying on containment to remain nonhazardous though it's only a matter of time before idiots manage to crack it open.

    Then we have a new set of people ready to get their Darwin Award.


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    • G GuyThiebaut

      The oil barons are definitely not going to want us to get our hands on those. In fact it would not surprise me if the oil companies buy the patent...

      You always pass failure on the way to success.
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      GuyThiebaut wrote:

      In fact it would not surprise me if the oil companies buy the patent...

      Which will run out eventually. If this stuff is true then it is only a matter of time before it becomes common place.


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      • M Maximilien

        Well, if it's $200 for a multi-year battery, it's dirt cheap!!! I'd buy 20 just in case. about the radiation, from the article, they say there is no radiation, it's not an "nuclear" fusion or fission reaction.


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        Maximilien wrote:

        it's not an "nuclear" fusion or fission reaction.

        dagnabbit, but I WANTED an unlicensed nuclear particle accelerator on my back!

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          The oil barons are definitely not going to want us to get our hands on those. In fact it would not surprise me if the oil companies buy the patent...

          You always pass failure on the way to success.
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          I think your tin foil cap's coming loose. More seriously, if the material being used decays to harmless in 30years it has to be a short half life radioactive. These don't exist in nature and have to be made via a either a cooking in a nuclear reactor or a particle accelerator. The latter guzzles power like there's no tomorrow.

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            dan neely wrote:

            If it's relying on containment to remain nonhazardous though it's only a matter of time before idiots manage to crack it open.

            Then we have a new set of people ready to get their Darwin Award.


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            El Corazon
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            Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

            Then we have a new set of people ready to get their Darwin Award.

            hey, DAD! Look, I cracked open the battery and it is warm!! feel it!! oh wow, and it leaves your hand feeling warm too! If I put it under my pillow will it keep me warm at night? :rolleyes:

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            • D Dan Neely

              I think your tin foil cap's coming loose. More seriously, if the material being used decays to harmless in 30years it has to be a short half life radioactive. These don't exist in nature and have to be made via a either a cooking in a nuclear reactor or a particle accelerator. The latter guzzles power like there's no tomorrow.

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              El Corazon
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              dan neely wrote:

              The latter guzzles power like there's no tomorrow.

              that's okay, so do my computers. ;P

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              • E El Corazon

                Maximilien wrote:

                it's not an "nuclear" fusion or fission reaction.

                dagnabbit, but I WANTED an unlicensed nuclear particle accelerator on my back!

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                El Corazon wrote:

                dagnabbit, but I WANTED an unlicensed nuclear particle accelerator on my back!

                Normaly I wouldn't care about this claim, but since it's comming from you, I am afraid. Very afraid. :~


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                • E El Corazon

                  Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

                  Then we have a new set of people ready to get their Darwin Award.

                  hey, DAD! Look, I cracked open the battery and it is warm!! feel it!! oh wow, and it leaves your hand feeling warm too! If I put it under my pillow will it keep me warm at night? :rolleyes:

                  _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                  Ahhh.. Darwin Awards... since it's a laptop, must still be used on the lap, right? Radioactive material in proximity to reproductive organs... Tim

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                    El Corazon wrote:

                    dagnabbit, but I WANTED an unlicensed nuclear particle accelerator on my back!

                    Normaly I wouldn't care about this claim, but since it's comming from you, I am afraid. Very afraid. :~


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                    dnh wrote:

                    Normaly I wouldn't care about this claim, but since it's comming from you, I am afraid. Very afraid.

                    Actually back in science fair days, one of my friends at Los Alamos built a miniature particle accelerator. It obvously wasn't powerful enough to do do much measuring only 4 feet in diameter.... :) I was only building lasers, 3D graphics, and experimenting with theoretical 4D constructs mathematically. :) I am harmless.... mostly! :->

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                      Ahhh.. Darwin Awards... since it's a laptop, must still be used on the lap, right? Radioactive material in proximity to reproductive organs... Tim

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                      El Corazon
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                      Tim Carmichael wrote:

                      Radioactive material in proximity to reproductive organs...

                      look martha, our son has my noses.

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                      • M Maximilien

                        If it's true and not a hoax, it's a heck of a leap in technology; from let's say 10 hours in 2 years with traditional batteries (following current trends) to multiple years! Scientists Invent 30 Year Continuous Power Laptop Battery http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-betavoltaic-10.1.html[^]


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                        Maximilien wrote:

                        Scientists Invent 30 Year Continuous Power Laptop Battery

                        Who would want to keep power an obsolete laptop for 27 more years? What are the good uses of such battery you can think of? I think toy car is a good choice. Now you can play with your son the very same toy car your dad got you. :)

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                        • M Maximilien

                          If it's true and not a hoax, it's a heck of a leap in technology; from let's say 10 hours in 2 years with traditional batteries (following current trends) to multiple years! Scientists Invent 30 Year Continuous Power Laptop Battery http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-betavoltaic-10.1.html[^]


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                          Clickity[^] No, not a complete discrediting of the technology, but to say it'd be useful as a laptop battery is not accurate.


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                            dnh wrote:

                            Normaly I wouldn't care about this claim, but since it's comming from you, I am afraid. Very afraid.

                            Actually back in science fair days, one of my friends at Los Alamos built a miniature particle accelerator. It obvously wasn't powerful enough to do do much measuring only 4 feet in diameter.... :) I was only building lasers, 3D graphics, and experimenting with theoretical 4D constructs mathematically. :) I am harmless.... mostly! :->

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                            El Corazon wrote:

                            I am harmless

                            :~


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                              El Corazon wrote:

                              I am harmless

                              :~


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                              brahmma wrote:

                              :~

                              "Trust Me" :->

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                                Clickity[^] No, not a complete discrediting of the technology, but to say it'd be useful as a laptop battery is not accurate.


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                                don't forget the sticker shock. Tritium runs ~$100k/gram. :doh:

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                                  don't forget the sticker shock. Tritium runs ~$100k/gram. :doh:

                                  -- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.

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                                  dan neely wrote:

                                  Tritium runs ~$100k/gram.

                                  That's good news, you can refinance your laptop battery to buy your first house! ;P

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                                  • M Maximilien

                                    If it's true and not a hoax, it's a heck of a leap in technology; from let's say 10 hours in 2 years with traditional batteries (following current trends) to multiple years! Scientists Invent 30 Year Continuous Power Laptop Battery http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-betavoltaic-10.1.html[^]


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                                    Boing Boing is skeptical

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                                    • T Tom Deketelaere

                                      I wouldn't mind paying 100-200 dollars for one of these if they do what is said. A laptop last about 3 years (sellphone even less) so never having to recharge my sellphone or laptop does sound very nice to me

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                                      Bassam Abdul Baki
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                                      One battery to rule them all.


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                                      • M Maximilien

                                        If it's true and not a hoax, it's a heck of a leap in technology; from let's say 10 hours in 2 years with traditional batteries (following current trends) to multiple years! Scientists Invent 30 Year Continuous Power Laptop Battery http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-betavoltaic-10.1.html[^]


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                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betavoltaic[^] It seems there's a catch. The Wikipedia article doesn't come out and say this directly, but it sounds like you can't get enough power out of a betavoltaic to run a device continuously. Anybody out there with real knowledge on the subject?


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