.NET Framework Source Code to be released [modified]
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From Scott Guthrie's blog: We'll begin by offering the source code (with source file comments included) for the .NET Base Class Libraries (System, System.IO, System.Collections, System.Configuration, System.Threading, System.Net, System.Security, System.Runtime, System.Text, etc), ASP.NET (System.Web), Windows Forms (System.Windows.Forms), ADO.NET (System.Data), XML (System.Xml), and WPF (System.Windows). We'll then be adding more libraries in the months ahead (including WCF, Workflow, and LINQ). The source code will be released under the Microsoft Reference License (MS-RL). :jig: What's even more interesting: We will also provide integrated debugging support of it within VS 2008. :jig::jig::jig::jig: Read it all here: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/10/03/releasing-the-source-code-for-the-net-framework-libraries.aspx[^] Also when you are visiting the blog site please check out the banner on the right side.;)
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A bunch of it was already available in the Rotor (Shared Source Common Language Infrastructure) distribution. The rest wasn't obfuscated so you could get a strong hint about what was going on through Reflector. Still, this is a nice extra step.
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A bunch of it was already available in the Rotor (Shared Source Common Language Infrastructure) distribution. The rest wasn't obfuscated so you could get a strong hint about what was going on through Reflector. Still, this is a nice extra step.
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The rest wasn't obfuscated so you could get a strong hint about what was going on through Reflector
Yes! But the debugging support is the killer. That is what is really exciting.
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From Scott Guthrie's blog: We'll begin by offering the source code (with source file comments included) for the .NET Base Class Libraries (System, System.IO, System.Collections, System.Configuration, System.Threading, System.Net, System.Security, System.Runtime, System.Text, etc), ASP.NET (System.Web), Windows Forms (System.Windows.Forms), ADO.NET (System.Data), XML (System.Xml), and WPF (System.Windows). We'll then be adding more libraries in the months ahead (including WCF, Workflow, and LINQ). The source code will be released under the Microsoft Reference License (MS-RL). :jig: What's even more interesting: We will also provide integrated debugging support of it within VS 2008. :jig::jig::jig::jig: Read it all here: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/10/03/releasing-the-source-code-for-the-net-framework-libraries.aspx[^] Also when you are visiting the blog site please check out the banner on the right side.;)
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This is awesome! I mean, you can see most of the framework's code using Reflector, but you lose a) comments and b) alot of the actual structure of the framework. So this will be neat.
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From Scott Guthrie's blog: We'll begin by offering the source code (with source file comments included) for the .NET Base Class Libraries (System, System.IO, System.Collections, System.Configuration, System.Threading, System.Net, System.Security, System.Runtime, System.Text, etc), ASP.NET (System.Web), Windows Forms (System.Windows.Forms), ADO.NET (System.Data), XML (System.Xml), and WPF (System.Windows). We'll then be adding more libraries in the months ahead (including WCF, Workflow, and LINQ). The source code will be released under the Microsoft Reference License (MS-RL). :jig: What's even more interesting: We will also provide integrated debugging support of it within VS 2008. :jig::jig::jig::jig: Read it all here: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/10/03/releasing-the-source-code-for-the-net-framework-libraries.aspx[^] Also when you are visiting the blog site please check out the banner on the right side.;)
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Very nice. I am just curious though since I am not sure about the legal wording of the license. Does the fact that it's released under the "Microsoft Reference License" mean that it is "read only" or for reference only? I am not trolling or poo pooing this as it seems like there is some pretty cool potential specifically with the debugging support now included.
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From Scott Guthrie's blog: We'll begin by offering the source code (with source file comments included) for the .NET Base Class Libraries (System, System.IO, System.Collections, System.Configuration, System.Threading, System.Net, System.Security, System.Runtime, System.Text, etc), ASP.NET (System.Web), Windows Forms (System.Windows.Forms), ADO.NET (System.Data), XML (System.Xml), and WPF (System.Windows). We'll then be adding more libraries in the months ahead (including WCF, Workflow, and LINQ). The source code will be released under the Microsoft Reference License (MS-RL). :jig: What's even more interesting: We will also provide integrated debugging support of it within VS 2008. :jig::jig::jig::jig: Read it all here: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/10/03/releasing-the-source-code-for-the-net-framework-libraries.aspx[^] Also when you are visiting the blog site please check out the banner on the right side.;)
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Great news! It was kind of silly to keep the source hidden, since we could just look at it in Reflector. But source with structure and comments for the framework libraries will be really nice! The debugging support in VS will be very nice.
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Very nice. I am just curious though since I am not sure about the legal wording of the license. Does the fact that it's released under the "Microsoft Reference License" mean that it is "read only" or for reference only? I am not trolling or poo pooing this as it seems like there is some pretty cool potential specifically with the debugging support now included.
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I haven't looked at the legalese, but I'd assume it would be under the same licence as all the C++ libraries they've been providing source to for years.
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This is awesome! I mean, you can see most of the framework's code using Reflector, but you lose a) comments and b) alot of the actual structure of the framework. So this will be neat.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Also when you are visiting the blog site please check out the banner on the right side.
What is it? My office blocks all ads at the connection's entry to the building, so I never see ads.
The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee
Rama's book is referenced on the right. :) That's pretty cool having a celebrity dev like Scott recommending Rama's book, I must say. :)
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From Scott Guthrie's blog: We'll begin by offering the source code (with source file comments included) for the .NET Base Class Libraries (System, System.IO, System.Collections, System.Configuration, System.Threading, System.Net, System.Security, System.Runtime, System.Text, etc), ASP.NET (System.Web), Windows Forms (System.Windows.Forms), ADO.NET (System.Data), XML (System.Xml), and WPF (System.Windows). We'll then be adding more libraries in the months ahead (including WCF, Workflow, and LINQ). The source code will be released under the Microsoft Reference License (MS-RL). :jig: What's even more interesting: We will also provide integrated debugging support of it within VS 2008. :jig::jig::jig::jig: Read it all here: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/10/03/releasing-the-source-code-for-the-net-framework-libraries.aspx[^] Also when you are visiting the blog site please check out the banner on the right side.;)
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That is really cool. I'm impressed they are doing this.
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Rama's book is referenced on the right. :) That's pretty cool having a celebrity dev like Scott recommending Rama's book, I must say. :)
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Judah Himango wrote:
That's pretty cool having a celebrity dev like Scott recommending Rama's book, I must say.
Ohhh, that's pretty awesome!! :)
The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee
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Mike Dimmick wrote:
The rest wasn't obfuscated so you could get a strong hint about what was going on through Reflector
Yes! But the debugging support is the killer. That is what is really exciting.
Co-Author ASP.NET AJAX in Action
But it also means more people will write code against the actual implementation, rather than against documentation. If Raymond Chen was dead, he'd be spinning in his grave right now.
TODO: link to appropriate dilbert cartoon[edit] It's great news for sure, but someone has to point out the grain of salt
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From Scott Guthrie's blog: We'll begin by offering the source code (with source file comments included) for the .NET Base Class Libraries (System, System.IO, System.Collections, System.Configuration, System.Threading, System.Net, System.Security, System.Runtime, System.Text, etc), ASP.NET (System.Web), Windows Forms (System.Windows.Forms), ADO.NET (System.Data), XML (System.Xml), and WPF (System.Windows). We'll then be adding more libraries in the months ahead (including WCF, Workflow, and LINQ). The source code will be released under the Microsoft Reference License (MS-RL). :jig: What's even more interesting: We will also provide integrated debugging support of it within VS 2008. :jig::jig::jig::jig: Read it all here: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/10/03/releasing-the-source-code-for-the-net-framework-libraries.aspx[^] Also when you are visiting the blog site please check out the banner on the right side.;)
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That noise you are hearing now is the sound of 1000 Mono developers' hearts breaking. Or maybe they're changing their pants. I'm not sure yet.
Please don't bother me... I'm hacking right now. Don't look at me like that - doesn't anybody remember what "hacking" really means? :sigh:
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But it also means more people will write code against the actual implementation, rather than against documentation. If Raymond Chen was dead, he'd be spinning in his grave right now.
TODO: link to appropriate dilbert cartoon[edit] It's great news for sure, but someone has to point out the grain of salt
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistThe grain of salt for me is that I'm a C++ programmer - a second-class citizen in the VS world. :beer:
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
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That noise you are hearing now is the sound of 1000 Mono developers' hearts breaking. Or maybe they're changing their pants. I'm not sure yet.
Please don't bother me... I'm hacking right now. Don't look at me like that - doesn't anybody remember what "hacking" really means? :sigh:
I don't know. If it's a reference only license I am betting they need to continue with their implementations. At least that is what I understood from reading the license page.
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The grain of salt for me is that I'm a C++ programmer - a second-class citizen in the VS world. :beer:
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
You are The Source, Mark! :D
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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That noise you are hearing now is the sound of 1000 Mono developers' hearts breaking. Or maybe they're changing their pants. I'm not sure yet.
Please don't bother me... I'm hacking right now. Don't look at me like that - doesn't anybody remember what "hacking" really means? :sigh:
Robert Royall wrote:
That noise you are hearing now is the sound of 1000 Mono developers' hearts breaking. Or maybe they're changing their pants. I'm not sure yet.
Nope - it's not going to affect the Mono team at all. They'll still continue to implement features from the next version of .NET and leave the basics out from the current version.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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You are The Source, Mark! :D
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistHeh. The Source of What? Hour old news, apparently :)
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
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Heh. The Source of What? Hour old news, apparently :)
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
Mark Salsbery wrote:
of What
Douglas Adams taught me to avoid that question - by putting it into capital letters: You are THE SOURCE, Mark!
Mark Salsbery wrote:
Hour old news, apparently
:laugh: happens to the best
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From Scott Guthrie's blog: We'll begin by offering the source code (with source file comments included) for the .NET Base Class Libraries (System, System.IO, System.Collections, System.Configuration, System.Threading, System.Net, System.Security, System.Runtime, System.Text, etc), ASP.NET (System.Web), Windows Forms (System.Windows.Forms), ADO.NET (System.Data), XML (System.Xml), and WPF (System.Windows). We'll then be adding more libraries in the months ahead (including WCF, Workflow, and LINQ). The source code will be released under the Microsoft Reference License (MS-RL). :jig: What's even more interesting: We will also provide integrated debugging support of it within VS 2008. :jig::jig::jig::jig: Read it all here: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/10/03/releasing-the-source-code-for-the-net-framework-libraries.aspx[^] Also when you are visiting the blog site please check out the banner on the right side.;)
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I'll believe it when I see it (maybe).
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From Scott Guthrie's blog: We'll begin by offering the source code (with source file comments included) for the .NET Base Class Libraries (System, System.IO, System.Collections, System.Configuration, System.Threading, System.Net, System.Security, System.Runtime, System.Text, etc), ASP.NET (System.Web), Windows Forms (System.Windows.Forms), ADO.NET (System.Data), XML (System.Xml), and WPF (System.Windows). We'll then be adding more libraries in the months ahead (including WCF, Workflow, and LINQ). The source code will be released under the Microsoft Reference License (MS-RL). :jig: What's even more interesting: We will also provide integrated debugging support of it within VS 2008. :jig::jig::jig::jig: Read it all here: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/10/03/releasing-the-source-code-for-the-net-framework-libraries.aspx[^] Also when you are visiting the blog site please check out the banner on the right side.;)
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Robert Royall wrote:
That noise you are hearing now is the sound of 1000 Mono developers' hearts breaking. Or maybe they're changing their pants. I'm not sure yet.
Nope - it's not going to affect the Mono team at all. They'll still continue to implement features from the next version of .NET and leave the basics out from the current version.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.