9-17 attitude
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
Working for a global company I find that some areas seem to think work IS life. Work to me pays bills, gives me spending money and interferes in my ordinary life. :)
I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
Pawel Krakowiak wrote:
whether it was something wrong with me
Nope, I'd say you were intelligent why work for free. I came to the conclusion after many year of working 'sweat shop' hours that it was complete madness to be sat at your desk at work in your own time working for free.
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Working for a global company I find that some areas seem to think work IS life. Work to me pays bills, gives me spending money and interferes in my ordinary life. :)
I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
I have a balanced career, in at 7.30am out by 4:00pm and work the 'odd' hour here and there (probably once every 2 months), and thats the way it should go, working for free days are long gone. I suggest to people who are working 60+ hour weeks to go contracting and get paid by the hour.
WPF - Imagineers Wanted Follow your nose using DoubleAnimationUsingPath
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
I've been inclined to both attitudes at different times. When I'm motivated about a project I'm working on at home and about what I'm doing at work and I'm well enough I may well be developing for 16 hours a day for weeks on end. At other times when work is dragging and I'm too tired to do anything but veg-out when I get home I might only be doing development 4 hours a day, IT support stuff the rest of the time I'm at work and very little at all when I'm at home. The seasons change and inspiration comes and goes. I believe programming is a creative art, akin to painting or writing poetry, and should not be scheduled, managed or rewarded in a similar way to secretarial or accountancy or other 9-17 professions.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
Don't look at me, I work 6 am to midnight at the moment.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
I'm not a 9-17 person, but I know where you're coming from. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, if you get your work done in 9-17, which often don't. I have other interests, but sometimes I'm at my most creative and productive at, say, 22:00 in the week, or on a Saturday afternoon. If I have something else, I will normally put code aside, and often I force myself to take a break, but I'm often in the mood and I just code. Last Sunday I coded from 11:00 to 18:00, then I thought I'd take healthy break and watch an episode or two of Heroes. I ended up watching six episodes, and going to bed at 01:00, without finishing my work. So what? I carried on working on Monday.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
Given that I have no idea what a "9-17 person" is, I'd say you still qualify as being more of a geek than me. ;P Marc
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Given that I have no idea what a "9-17 person" is, I'd say you still qualify as being more of a geek than me. ;P Marc
Maybe it's someone who only works on Sept 17.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Given that I have no idea what a "9-17 person" is, I'd say you still qualify as being more of a geek than me. ;P Marc
17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
"Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..." "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
I don't see a problem with 9-17 attitude either. I like to keep going very steadily in stead of having periods of high and low stress.
Wout
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Im pretty strict with my 9-17 attitude. And I do also like my job.
J4amieC wrote:
Im pretty strict with my 9-17 attitude. And I do also like my job.
Me too and I really love it.
Best Regards, Mushq Mushtaque Ahmed Nizamani Software Engineer Ultimus Pakistan
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
There have been many studies - right back to Henry Ford, if memory serves - that show that we have settled on the 8 hour working day because that is, in the long run, more productive. Increasing to 9 hours gives a temporary boost for a few weeks, any more than that, or more than 9 hours, and you're less productive in a week than you were if you only worked 8 hours. Burnout is real. Go home at 5pm. Or work a different 8 hours, or a different 40 hours per week, if you can arrange it. I normally work 9:30 to 6pm with a one hour lunch break, total 7.5 hours per day, 37.5 per week. Overtime: if there's time pressure, and it's my fault - prevaricating, a preventable error, or my own misestimation (but a small one) - I might do some unpaid overtime. Otherwise I need a specific request to do paid overtime and I won't do a lot of it, a couple of Saturdays or a couple of late nights at most.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
9-17? No way, Jose. I work 7-16(4PM) and after that I can go back to my other activities and hobbies, such as programming, reading programming books, discussing programming topics on the internet...
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17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
"Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..." "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."
Richard Jones wrote:
17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
Yeah, we use 24 hour clock here. It's the same as "9AM - 5PM".
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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9-17? No way, Jose. I work 7-16(4PM) and after that I can go back to my other activities and hobbies, such as programming, reading programming books, discussing programming topics on the internet...
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
9-17? No way, Jose. I work 7-16(4PM)
It still qualifies. :) I mean a 8h work day in general, if getting up that 1h earlier suits you then go for it.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Let's be the guy living under a rock again: What the hell is 9-17 ?!
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Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverbWorking from 9:00 AM until 17:00 (5:00 PM) which is your typical working day. aka 95ing (nine-five-ing)
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