9-17 attitude
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
Given that I have no idea what a "9-17 person" is, I'd say you still qualify as being more of a geek than me. ;P Marc
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Given that I have no idea what a "9-17 person" is, I'd say you still qualify as being more of a geek than me. ;P Marc
Maybe it's someone who only works on Sept 17.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Given that I have no idea what a "9-17 person" is, I'd say you still qualify as being more of a geek than me. ;P Marc
17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
"Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..." "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
I don't see a problem with 9-17 attitude either. I like to keep going very steadily in stead of having periods of high and low stress.
Wout
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Im pretty strict with my 9-17 attitude. And I do also like my job.
J4amieC wrote:
Im pretty strict with my 9-17 attitude. And I do also like my job.
Me too and I really love it.
Best Regards, Mushq Mushtaque Ahmed Nizamani Software Engineer Ultimus Pakistan
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
There have been many studies - right back to Henry Ford, if memory serves - that show that we have settled on the 8 hour working day because that is, in the long run, more productive. Increasing to 9 hours gives a temporary boost for a few weeks, any more than that, or more than 9 hours, and you're less productive in a week than you were if you only worked 8 hours. Burnout is real. Go home at 5pm. Or work a different 8 hours, or a different 40 hours per week, if you can arrange it. I normally work 9:30 to 6pm with a one hour lunch break, total 7.5 hours per day, 37.5 per week. Overtime: if there's time pressure, and it's my fault - prevaricating, a preventable error, or my own misestimation (but a small one) - I might do some unpaid overtime. Otherwise I need a specific request to do paid overtime and I won't do a lot of it, a couple of Saturdays or a couple of late nights at most.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
9-17? No way, Jose. I work 7-16(4PM) and after that I can go back to my other activities and hobbies, such as programming, reading programming books, discussing programming topics on the internet...
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17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
"Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..." "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."
Richard Jones wrote:
17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
Yeah, we use 24 hour clock here. It's the same as "9AM - 5PM".
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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9-17? No way, Jose. I work 7-16(4PM) and after that I can go back to my other activities and hobbies, such as programming, reading programming books, discussing programming topics on the internet...
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
9-17? No way, Jose. I work 7-16(4PM)
It still qualifies. :) I mean a 8h work day in general, if getting up that 1h earlier suits you then go for it.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Let's be the guy living under a rock again: What the hell is 9-17 ?!
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverbWorking from 9:00 AM until 17:00 (5:00 PM) which is your typical working day. aka 95ing (nine-five-ing)
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib
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Let's be the guy living under a rock again: What the hell is 9-17 ?!
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverbTook me awhile but he means 9-5 (9 to 5.) 17 == 17:00 == 5pm. Never seen anyone write it as 17 in this context before :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Don't look at me, I work 6 am to midnight at the moment.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
Don't look at me, I work 6 am to midnight at the moment
Amazing! How many hours do you sleep in a 24 hours session? Do you work on weekends? For how long are you going to repeat that tough routine?
Best Regards, Mushq Mushtaque Ahmed Nizamani Software Engineer Ultimus Pakistan
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
I think there is a difference between people who say "9 to 5 bub and not a second more." That is what annoys me, people who literally stand-up at 5pm in the middle of a line of code and just walk out.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Don't look at me, I work 6 am to midnight at the moment
Amazing! How many hours do you sleep in a 24 hours session? Do you work on weekends? For how long are you going to repeat that tough routine?
Best Regards, Mushq Mushtaque Ahmed Nizamani Software Engineer Ultimus Pakistan
Christian sleep? Don't be daft. You don't get to be the alltime high poster by wasting time sleeping - that's for wimps.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Richard Jones wrote:
17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
Yeah, we use 24 hour clock here. It's the same as "9AM - 5PM".
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
There are times when the 24 hour clock doesn't really cut it. Somehow, I can't hear Dolly Parton singing: "Working 9 til 17. What a way to make a living." Plus, 7-11 sounds better than 7-23.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
This is an interesting question. Realistically, people who work really long hours tend to do no more work than people who work the 9-5. Just because you are in the building for 20 hours a day doesn't mean you are doing work all that time. There's the time spent phoning your friends, surfing, doing personal email, gossiping by the watercooler (yes girls even the Diet Coke break). I'd rather have somebody who was productive for 8 hours and then went home than somebody who's in for 14 hours, but only does 2 hours real work.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.