9-17 attitude
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
I don't see a problem with 9-17 attitude either. I like to keep going very steadily in stead of having periods of high and low stress.
Wout
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Im pretty strict with my 9-17 attitude. And I do also like my job.
J4amieC wrote:
Im pretty strict with my 9-17 attitude. And I do also like my job.
Me too and I really love it.
Best Regards, Mushq Mushtaque Ahmed Nizamani Software Engineer Ultimus Pakistan
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
There have been many studies - right back to Henry Ford, if memory serves - that show that we have settled on the 8 hour working day because that is, in the long run, more productive. Increasing to 9 hours gives a temporary boost for a few weeks, any more than that, or more than 9 hours, and you're less productive in a week than you were if you only worked 8 hours. Burnout is real. Go home at 5pm. Or work a different 8 hours, or a different 40 hours per week, if you can arrange it. I normally work 9:30 to 6pm with a one hour lunch break, total 7.5 hours per day, 37.5 per week. Overtime: if there's time pressure, and it's my fault - prevaricating, a preventable error, or my own misestimation (but a small one) - I might do some unpaid overtime. Otherwise I need a specific request to do paid overtime and I won't do a lot of it, a couple of Saturdays or a couple of late nights at most.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
9-17? No way, Jose. I work 7-16(4PM) and after that I can go back to my other activities and hobbies, such as programming, reading programming books, discussing programming topics on the internet...
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17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
"Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..." "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."
Richard Jones wrote:
17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
Yeah, we use 24 hour clock here. It's the same as "9AM - 5PM".
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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9-17? No way, Jose. I work 7-16(4PM) and after that I can go back to my other activities and hobbies, such as programming, reading programming books, discussing programming topics on the internet...
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
9-17? No way, Jose. I work 7-16(4PM)
It still qualifies. :) I mean a 8h work day in general, if getting up that 1h earlier suits you then go for it.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Let's be the guy living under a rock again: What the hell is 9-17 ?!
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverbWorking from 9:00 AM until 17:00 (5:00 PM) which is your typical working day. aka 95ing (nine-five-ing)
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib
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Don't look at me, I work 6 am to midnight at the moment.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
Don't look at me, I work 6 am to midnight at the moment
Amazing! How many hours do you sleep in a 24 hours session? Do you work on weekends? For how long are you going to repeat that tough routine?
Best Regards, Mushq Mushtaque Ahmed Nizamani Software Engineer Ultimus Pakistan
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Let's be the guy living under a rock again: What the hell is 9-17 ?!
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverbTook me awhile but he means 9-5 (9 to 5.) 17 == 17:00 == 5pm. Never seen anyone write it as 17 in this context before :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
I think there is a difference between people who say "9 to 5 bub and not a second more." That is what annoys me, people who literally stand-up at 5pm in the middle of a line of code and just walk out.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Don't look at me, I work 6 am to midnight at the moment
Amazing! How many hours do you sleep in a 24 hours session? Do you work on weekends? For how long are you going to repeat that tough routine?
Best Regards, Mushq Mushtaque Ahmed Nizamani Software Engineer Ultimus Pakistan
Christian sleep? Don't be daft. You don't get to be the alltime high poster by wasting time sleeping - that's for wimps.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Richard Jones wrote:
17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
Yeah, we use 24 hour clock here. It's the same as "9AM - 5PM".
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
There are times when the 24 hour clock doesn't really cut it. Somehow, I can't hear Dolly Parton singing: "Working 9 til 17. What a way to make a living." Plus, 7-11 sounds better than 7-23.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
This is an interesting question. Realistically, people who work really long hours tend to do no more work than people who work the 9-5. Just because you are in the building for 20 hours a day doesn't mean you are doing work all that time. There's the time spent phoning your friends, surfing, doing personal email, gossiping by the watercooler (yes girls even the Diet Coke break). I'd rather have somebody who was productive for 8 hours and then went home than somebody who's in for 14 hours, but only does 2 hours real work.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
I completely agree. I don't mind working extra hours *if* I think they are justified i.e. something unexpectedly went wrong or the client really needs a very important bug fixing. What I do mind is when businesses think that you should automatically work extra hours, especially if it's due to bad planning or they think *every* bug is very important. If they want me to work extra that much then they can pay me extra ... otherwise cyall tomorrow, I'm going home for some me time. I love my work, if I wasn't programming for a living then I would be doing it a lot at home, but that doesn't mean I want to spend every waking hour doing it. The place I currently work at I actually leave 5 mins early every day, I do that because it means I can catch an earlier train and gain an extra half an hour for my evening. Thankfully the people I work for completely understand that the extra 30 mins does actually make a difference and they also know that when needed I'll stay late, or even work on a weekend if absolutely necessary.
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9-17? No way, Jose. I work 7-16(4PM) and after that I can go back to my other activities and hobbies, such as programming, reading programming books, discussing programming topics on the internet...
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
my other activities and hobbies, such as programming, reading programming books, discussing programming topics on the internet
Nice! your all hobbies lie in the domain of programming.
Best Regards, Mushq Mushtaque Ahmed Nizamani Software Engineer Ultimus Pakistan
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
In at 9.00 am, Out at 5.30pm, one hour for lunch monday to friday, 28 Paid days off a year plus first three sick days. I live 500 yards from where I work so home for lunch. Life is good!
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
Pawel Krakowiak wrote:
t seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Having a girlfriend can make all the difference in the world. Also if you work with her, you will look forward to going to work everyday and might even enjoy your time at work.
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17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
"Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..." "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."
Richard Jones wrote:
17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
Ah. I didn't even think of that! Slow brain today. Marc
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
I don't know, I kinda drifted from the time when I used to work 12-14 hour shifts during the weekdays and I'd pop in during the weekends. But this was back in the day. Now, I do my 8-17|18 and then I go and actually live my life. I could argue that back then when I was still a fresh grad, and although I was better than my peers, my work input was only a bit less than those more experienced than I was. I guess one day I realized that I have life and so I decided to live it. I will pull extra working hours if I have to get the job done.
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib