9-17 attitude
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
Pawel Krakowiak wrote:
something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding
Not a thing wrong. Too much time spent working eventually results in less-productivity. The occasional bout of OT is fine, and even expected, but there has to be a recovery period afterward. I had one case where myself and the hardware engineer put in 3 weeks of 55 hours prepping for an overseas installation, traveled (9 hrs in a plane), did the installation in 4 days, then returned. After we got back, we were both at work for the next few days, but neither of us did anything productive. The view out office windows was very nice :) I have some of my best revelations about problems I'm trying to solve at work while puttering around with my horse. It's amazing the things your subconscious can come up with when you're not watching it. Judy
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Paul Watson wrote:
That is what annoys me, people who literally stand-up at 5pm in the middle of a line of code and just walk out.
What if they have a train to catch?
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
You must be a government employee. On the other hand you are probably more in tuned to new developments in the field and are better apt to apply them.
MrPlankton
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Paul Watson wrote:
That is what annoys me, people who literally stand-up at 5pm in the middle of a line of code and just walk out.
What if they have a train to catch?
Use some common sense.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
When I enjoy my work, I tend to work longer hours, but I am a contractor, and bill for those hours. While I understand that the United States leads the world in productivity, I think this is because employees let companies take advantage of them. I have been told by perm people that they dont have enough time to do their work, so they work longer hours. WAIT! WHO gave them that work, and why do they have so much? There is a saying that I am very fond of: Lack of planning on your part does NOT constitute an emergency on mine. I learned a long time ago that if I work a full day (7:00 -> 16:00) then go home and relax, and do that again the next day, I still get my work done. The difference is that I dont take on as much, and push off what I dont have time to do. I dont live to work... I work to live. peace BobP
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This is an interesting question. Realistically, people who work really long hours tend to do no more work than people who work the 9-5. Just because you are in the building for 20 hours a day doesn't mean you are doing work all that time. There's the time spent phoning your friends, surfing, doing personal email, gossiping by the watercooler (yes girls even the Diet Coke break). I'd rather have somebody who was productive for 8 hours and then went home than somebody who's in for 14 hours, but only does 2 hours real work.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
So I take it you'd rather have somebody else than yourself. That doesn't browse CP during working hours. ;) Seriously now, you can put in 20 hours of productive work, but you probably couldn't do it every day for long periods, and not do it 100% productive, but it still could equal about 16 hours of highly productive time. I know that there are these types of people you mentioned but there are exceptions as well. :)
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
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Took me awhile but he means 9-5 (9 to 5.) 17 == 17:00 == 5pm. Never seen anyone write it as 17 in this context before :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
Paul Watson wrote:
Never seen anyone write it as 17 in this context before
Yeah, that threw me at first, too. Had he written it correctly as 0900-1700, it would have been obvious. Yes, all of my clocks are set to 24-hour mode.
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for, in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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I think there is a difference between people who say "9 to 5 bub and not a second more." That is what annoys me, people who literally stand-up at 5pm in the middle of a line of code and just walk out.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
Paul Watson wrote:
"9 to 5 bub and not a second more."
That's usually an indication that either you made a mistake in the hiring process or the gig sucks.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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Paul Watson wrote:
"9 to 5 bub and not a second more."
That's usually an indication that either you made a mistake in the hiring process or the gig sucks.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
Yup.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Richard Jones wrote:
17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
Ah. I didn't even think of that! Slow brain today. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
Slow brain today.
Must be a lot of that going around today. I thought it was one of those psych profile rating things where they categorize your personality type. :doh:
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Coming soon: Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua! www.PracticalUSA.com
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Paul Watson wrote:
Never seen anyone write it as 17 in this context before
Yeah, that threw me at first, too. Had he written it correctly as 0900-1700, it would have been obvious. Yes, all of my clocks are set to 24-hour mode.
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for, in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
DavidCrow wrote:
Yes, all of my clocks are set to 24-hour mode.
:confused: What other logical way is there?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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In at 9.00 am, Out at 5.30pm, one hour for lunch monday to friday, 28 Paid days off a year plus first three sick days. I live 500 yards from where I work so home for lunch. Life is good!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
In at 9.00 am, Out at 5.30pm, one hour for lunch monday to friday, 28 Paid days off a year plus first three sick days. I live 500 yards from where I work so home for lunch. Life is good!
No life is paradise ;) Seriously being able to fire off home for lunch is a real bonus and a bonus I certainly wouldn't like to lose.
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DavidCrow wrote:
Yes, all of my clocks are set to 24-hour mode.
:confused: What other logical way is there?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
Paul Watson wrote:
What other logical way is there?
Some folks insist on displaying time in 12-hour mode with an AM/PM designation.
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for, in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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Paul Watson wrote:
What other logical way is there?
Some folks insist on displaying time in 12-hour mode with an AM/PM designation.
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for, in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
Yeah, but we don't listen to nutters like that.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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So I take it you'd rather have somebody else than yourself. That doesn't browse CP during working hours. ;) Seriously now, you can put in 20 hours of productive work, but you probably couldn't do it every day for long periods, and not do it 100% productive, but it still could equal about 16 hours of highly productive time. I know that there are these types of people you mentioned but there are exceptions as well. :)
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
Mircea Grelus wrote:
So I take it you'd rather have somebody else than yourself. That doesn't browse CP during working hours.
Indeed, but I am the boss and I do tend to take a lot of work home with me. Office hours tends to be when I get the paperwork done. Seriously, I don't mind people browsing web sites as long as they are productive as well. You can't concentrate for 8 hours a day - you do need a break.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
Pawel Krakowiak wrote:
Don't they have a hobby?
Sure. Reading and writing code. For close to half of my life, i've been spending the bulk of my waking hours (as well as a good number of hours i should probably be sleeping) engaged in those hobbies. This "work" thing is just an opportunity for people to annoy me with boring stuff like emails, meetings, and status reports. And trust me, i cut that stuff off well before 1700...
every night, i kneel at the foot of my bed and thank the Great Overseeing Politicians for protecting my freedoms by reducing their number, as if they were deer in a state park. -- Chris Losinger, Online Poker Players?
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Yeah, but we don't listen to nutters like that.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Sudoku is for wimps. ;P Try Kakuro. every evening before I go to bed I either solve a Kakuro puzzle from the Mensa Kakuro book, or read a couple chapters from one of the many books I'm always reading (currently Ender's Shadow and Dune: House Harkonnen). I wish I traveled via public transit so I could read or something on the way home, but Cincinnati's and Northern Kentucky's bus system is only convenient for people who live in the most urban (and run down) areas.
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Mircea Grelus wrote:
So I take it you'd rather have somebody else than yourself. That doesn't browse CP during working hours.
Indeed, but I am the boss and I do tend to take a lot of work home with me. Office hours tends to be when I get the paperwork done. Seriously, I don't mind people browsing web sites as long as they are productive as well. You can't concentrate for 8 hours a day - you do need a break.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Totally agree with you.
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy