Tax on imported software.
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Tax on imported software? Huh, sounds like an European union idea... You can go on pirated software too (try it...) - only chances of being caught are different. DevTool pricing is always targeted at the "1st world" market - what they can and are willing to afford. (remember that prices are not regulated by supply and demand, but by size of your wallet). And what's "not cheap" for you, can be a small fortune for other people.
We are ugly but we have the music Leonhard Cohen [sighist]
If software companies started selling software at localized prices, I would just start buying all my software from India. I would save a fortune. Of course, all my customers would do the same thing to my software and I would go out of business. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
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Oh yes, only the EVIL SIN FILLED Americans have tariffs. Everyone else has 'responses' to America's EVIL and WORLD DOMINATION policy!!! Jesus people, he just asked a simple question and you get out your axe and start grinding away. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
What has Jesus got to do with it ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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Oh yes, only the EVIL SIN FILLED Americans have tariffs. Everyone else has 'responses' to America's EVIL and WORLD DOMINATION policy!!! Jesus people, he just asked a simple question and you get out your axe and start grinding away. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
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What has Jesus got to do with it ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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More about me :-)
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Oh yes, only the EVIL SIN FILLED Americans have tariffs. Everyone else has 'responses' to America's EVIL and WORLD DOMINATION policy!!! Jesus people, he just asked a simple question and you get out your axe and start grinding away. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
At an evening last week where the US Ambassador told us all about the great benefits of us continuing to work without tarrifs and how great free trade was. I think you are a pack of hypocrits as you preach this stuff to us and when we reply with the same arguements, we get classified as terrorists. Regardz Colin J Davies
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At an evening last week where the US Ambassador told us all about the great benefits of us continuing to work without tarrifs and how great free trade was. I think you are a pack of hypocrits as you preach this stuff to us and when we reply with the same arguements, we get classified as terrorists. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Oh cry me a river. New Zealand Tariffs NZ is having to deal with the same exact problems everybody else deals with. I guess when you guys do protectionism, I mean "remedies against the injurious effects of imported goods", it is an ok thing. But when the US does the exact same thing, it is EVIL EVIL EVIL. I am sure that every NZ tariff is to help protect the poor starving children of NZ and NEVER to buy political votes. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
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it remains that the US are the loudest advertisers of free trade.
We are ugly but we have the music Leonhard Cohen [sighist]
The US just like the EU and most other coutries are quick to ask for free trade of their goods to other countries. But when it comes to goods coming into their country, you get a totally different story. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
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it remains that the US are the loudest advertisers of free trade.
We are ugly but we have the music Leonhard Cohen [sighist]
peterchen wrote: it remains that the US are the loudest advertisers of free trade. I really don't think the common American has any idea how hard they are ramming free trade and Global market principals down the rest of the worlds throats. The WTO situation with the USA is a farce, They almost set up the organization make the rules and then break them as soon as any agreements are signed. Since the first GATT its all been a joke. Mixed signals have been shown to inflict injuries on your own forces in the battlefield and in this it appears similar to me. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Oh cry me a river. New Zealand Tariffs NZ is having to deal with the same exact problems everybody else deals with. I guess when you guys do protectionism, I mean "remedies against the injurious effects of imported goods", it is an ok thing. But when the US does the exact same thing, it is EVIL EVIL EVIL. I am sure that every NZ tariff is to help protect the poor starving children of NZ and NEVER to buy political votes. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
From the same site if you had cared to read further http://www.med.govt.nz/buslt/tariffs/review/media/20020228.html The current tariff freeze of tariffs at the July 1999 rates, ends on 1 July 2005. Thats almost 3 years without any tariffs !! And also if you research a bit more you will find out how minuscule the tariffs were before hand. Us New Zea are stupid to have frozen tariffs to be honest, But at least it gives us the moral high-ground with hypocrites ! Regardz Colin J Davies
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Most software is pirated in places like India, China, and the Middle East. Wouldn’t it seem fair then to place a tariff on software developed there? It only makes sense because the majority of the first world countries pay for licensed software and development tools, while third world countries can undercut those in the first world because they only paid 50 cents for their software. The tariff would then be used by the governments of the first world to compensate software development firms for lost revenue, both in terms of licensing revenue lost, and to those companies who were undercut by foreign companies who don’t pay for licensed software. What are your opinions on this?
Martin Marvinski wrote: Wouldn’t it seem fair then to place a tariff on software developed there? A teriff? A TERIFF? That's like giving someone an indian burn to try and get them to stop stabbing you. Slow torture vs. murder. No, not even. Don't you realize, piracy is worse than murdering innocent children? That for every CD you copy *even if you own the original* you might just as well be tracking down the programmer who wrote it, cutting his throat, raping his wife and kids, and burning their house down with the family still inside? That for every unlicensed copy of Windows installed 2000 children are whipped to death with cute fluffy kittens (who also die as a result of being used as whips)? This is a SERIOUS problem, one that should be delt with using NUKES and CHEMICAL WARFARE and whatever other WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION it takes to ensure our precious software is sold at full value. This is not like terrorism, a relatively-unimportant issue that we can affort to deal with precisely. For a cancer as dangerous as this, only the largest, bluntest axe available will do. :mad: --------
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Wouldn’t it seem fair then to place a tariff on software developed there? A teriff? A TERIFF? That's like giving someone an indian burn to try and get them to stop stabbing you. Slow torture vs. murder. No, not even. Don't you realize, piracy is worse than murdering innocent children? That for every CD you copy *even if you own the original* you might just as well be tracking down the programmer who wrote it, cutting his throat, raping his wife and kids, and burning their house down with the family still inside? That for every unlicensed copy of Windows installed 2000 children are whipped to death with cute fluffy kittens (who also die as a result of being used as whips)? This is a SERIOUS problem, one that should be delt with using NUKES and CHEMICAL WARFARE and whatever other WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION it takes to ensure our precious software is sold at full value. This is not like terrorism, a relatively-unimportant issue that we can affort to deal with precisely. For a cancer as dangerous as this, only the largest, bluntest axe available will do. :mad: --------
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Please go to the soapbox Tariffs Flame war. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Wouldn’t it seem fair then to place a tariff on software developed there? A teriff? A TERIFF? That's like giving someone an indian burn to try and get them to stop stabbing you. Slow torture vs. murder. No, not even. Don't you realize, piracy is worse than murdering innocent children? That for every CD you copy *even if you own the original* you might just as well be tracking down the programmer who wrote it, cutting his throat, raping his wife and kids, and burning their house down with the family still inside? That for every unlicensed copy of Windows installed 2000 children are whipped to death with cute fluffy kittens (who also die as a result of being used as whips)? This is a SERIOUS problem, one that should be delt with using NUKES and CHEMICAL WARFARE and whatever other WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION it takes to ensure our precious software is sold at full value. This is not like terrorism, a relatively-unimportant issue that we can affort to deal with precisely. For a cancer as dangerous as this, only the largest, bluntest axe available will do. :mad: --------
Have you hugged your monitor today?
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Oh yes, only the EVIL SIN FILLED Americans have tariffs. Everyone else has 'responses' to America's EVIL and WORLD DOMINATION policy!!! Jesus people, he just asked a simple question and you get out your axe and start grinding away. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
Tim Smith wrote: and you get out your axe and start grinding away Do you think we put our axes away? I keep mine handy. ;P "The lives of these people are contingent on events; if things stop happening to them they will stop being."
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it remains that the US are the loudest advertisers of free trade.
We are ugly but we have the music Leonhard Cohen [sighist]
it remains that the US are the loudest advertisers of free trade. Except when it comes to stuff USA's goverment has decided to place embargoes or restrictions on, such as steel, "strong" cryptography, certain kinds of food and so on. Yeah, right, they "advertise" it allright: "Free trade we do NOT!".
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At an evening last week where the US Ambassador told us all about the great benefits of us continuing to work without tarrifs and how great free trade was. I think you are a pack of hypocrits as you preach this stuff to us and when we reply with the same arguements, we get classified as terrorists. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: think you are a pack of hypocrits you ??? quick, show me one person reading this who has any effect at all on the trade policy of the US or any other country. ok. time's, up. you lose. -c
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peterchen wrote: it remains that the US are the loudest advertisers of free trade. I really don't think the common American has any idea how hard they are ramming free trade and Global market principals down the rest of the worlds throats. The WTO situation with the USA is a farce, They almost set up the organization make the rules and then break them as soon as any agreements are signed. Since the first GATT its all been a joke. Mixed signals have been shown to inflict injuries on your own forces in the battlefield and in this it appears similar to me. Regardz Colin J Davies
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LOL, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Everytime the US does anything with trade the EU and a whole host of other nations start whining about how it isn't fair and all trade should be free. Give me a break. Like I said before, everyone wants free trade for their exports. But when it comes to their imports, protectionism is the name of the game. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
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Colin Davies wrote: think you are a pack of hypocrits you ??? quick, show me one person reading this who has any effect at all on the trade policy of the US or any other country. ok. time's, up. you lose. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: ok. time's, up. you lose. I hate it, when that happens. :-( Regardz Colin J Davies
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Most software is pirated in places like India, China, and the Middle East. Wouldn’t it seem fair then to place a tariff on software developed there? It only makes sense because the majority of the first world countries pay for licensed software and development tools, while third world countries can undercut those in the first world because they only paid 50 cents for their software. The tariff would then be used by the governments of the first world to compensate software development firms for lost revenue, both in terms of licensing revenue lost, and to those companies who were undercut by foreign companies who don’t pay for licensed software. What are your opinions on this?
It's a little difficult to figure out what the tariff should be. Does one country get lower tariffs when they start buying a larger percentage of their software? What if a country has no software industry? They won't care if you put a tariff on software developed in their countries. But, arguably, it could go well beyond software. Additionally, you could include music and movies, too, which are highly pirated. The problem is that a lot of software/music/movies which are pirated are not used in the development of something else. (You sort of assume a pirated copy of DevStudio as a starting point for the post, but pirated DevStudio is a-typical as far as pirated software goes.) As for all the people arguing that "the US cannot impose tariffs because it goes against their preaching of free-trade", I think that is a weak arguement, since tariffs are not imposed to preserve jobs or any of the normal reasons, but rather as a punitive measure because most countries don't give a damn about whether or not their citizens pay for software developed in the rest of the world. In fact, they probably encourage it because it can raise productivity at no cost. Countries have to be MADE to care because they will NOT care about protecting other people's software when that software is developed outside their countries. It also disrupts the balance of trade, and, right now, there are a lot of countries which are feeding off of a huge trade imbalance with the US (China comes to mind). If we have to pay for their goods, why shouldn't they pay for ours? Overall, I DON'T think a tariff on software will solve the problem for several reasons (1) many countries have no software industry, so they are unaffected, (2) it's difficult and potentially political to figure out what tariffs should be set at. BTW, software piracy is extremely common in some places. If I remember correctly, 98% of all software used in Vietnam (the worst offender) is pirated.
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Colin Davies wrote: think you are a pack of hypocrits you ??? quick, show me one person reading this who has any effect at all on the trade policy of the US or any other country. ok. time's, up. you lose. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: quick, show me one person reading this who has any effect at all on the trade policy of the US or any other country. We all do, as voters. If we didn't believe that, then we don't believe we are living in a democracy. (Well I assume most people that use this are living under a democratic system.) Have fun, Paul Westcott.
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Chris Losinger wrote: quick, show me one person reading this who has any effect at all on the trade policy of the US or any other country. We all do, as voters. If we didn't believe that, then we don't believe we are living in a democracy. (Well I assume most people that use this are living under a democratic system.) Have fun, Paul Westcott.
trade policy, like most other policies, is set by PACs and lobbiests. <rant> except for crazy exceptions like Jesse Ventura, I don't believe the US is a democracy. i believe it is an oligarchy, run by the two parties who are in turn, run by business interests. the businesses are not looking out for employees, but for their shareholders (which is how a corporation is supposed to act). but the shareholders with enough shares to make corporate policy are by and large, extremely wealthy individuals. the only time the average citizen does well by government is when his interests coincide with that of big business. </rant> -c
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