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I too have similar opinions. I often share my thoughts and views with the great community here, and more often than not I get a helping of good, humor filled replies. But, there have been times when trolls have indeed gotten into the post to harass people. And unlike many other problems which is difficult to tackle, this is one of the easiest. One word: Ignore. That simple action slaughters trolling. If trolling in the soapbox is out of control, it's because we have conversed with the trolls time and again allowing them to grow. With that said, I think I've just violated the "Ignore" policy, since there is a troll in this chain. Ok, so I'm off.
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Bulky Fellow wrote:
One word: Ignore.
When I was young, one of the most frequently given pieces of advice from my mother was to ignore people, and they would go away. I had a problem with this, because we cannot simply shut off our senses, and even as I matured, I had difficulty attenuating the impactf annoying people on my thought process. Only much later did I conclude that it isn't necessary to exclude somebody from your thoughts, only to deny them any reaction. You can be seething inside, but your lack of reaction and response, your extrinsic, and not intrinsic, ignoring of the attention seeker is what, quite often literally, makes them disappear.
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Bulky Fellow wrote:
One word: Ignore.
When I was young, one of the most frequently given pieces of advice from my mother was to ignore people, and they would go away. I had a problem with this, because we cannot simply shut off our senses, and even as I matured, I had difficulty attenuating the impactf annoying people on my thought process. Only much later did I conclude that it isn't necessary to exclude somebody from your thoughts, only to deny them any reaction. You can be seething inside, but your lack of reaction and response, your extrinsic, and not intrinsic, ignoring of the attention seeker is what, quite often literally, makes them disappear.
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Bulky Fellow wrote:
One word: Ignore.
When I was young, one of the most frequently given pieces of advice from my mother was to ignore people, and they would go away. I had a problem with this, because we cannot simply shut off our senses, and even as I matured, I had difficulty attenuating the impactf annoying people on my thought process. Only much later did I conclude that it isn't necessary to exclude somebody from your thoughts, only to deny them any reaction. You can be seething inside, but your lack of reaction and response, your extrinsic, and not intrinsic, ignoring of the attention seeker is what, quite often literally, makes them disappear.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
ignoring of the attention seeker is what, quite often literally, makes them disappear.
You mean, like, vaporize?
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!
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Brady Kelly wrote:
ignoring of the attention seeker is what, quite often literally, makes them disappear.
You mean, like, vaporize?
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!
Only simulacra actually disappear as in vaporise. Real people just skulk off in a cloud of dejection.
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Only simulacra actually disappear as in vaporise. Real people just skulk off in a cloud of dejection.
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I don't think it works as often as you'd hope, especially not in a public forum, where anybody can reply, and they do.
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!
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I don't think it works as often as you'd hope, especially not in a public forum, where anybody can reply, and they do.
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!
Yes, it's like garbage collection. It will only go away some time after the last reference to it is removed.
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Bulky Fellow wrote:
One word: Ignore.
When I was young, one of the most frequently given pieces of advice from my mother was to ignore people, and they would go away. I had a problem with this, because we cannot simply shut off our senses, and even as I matured, I had difficulty attenuating the impactf annoying people on my thought process. Only much later did I conclude that it isn't necessary to exclude somebody from your thoughts, only to deny them any reaction. You can be seething inside, but your lack of reaction and response, your extrinsic, and not intrinsic, ignoring of the attention seeker is what, quite often literally, makes them disappear.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
the most frequently given pieces of advice from my mother was to ignore people, and they would go away.
My mother gave me that advice except it was with regard to bullies. They didn't go away. Eventually, I wised up and beat the crap out of a few of them and then I was left alone.
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Yes, it's like garbage collection. It will only go away some time after the last reference to it is removed.
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I guess the problem is that face-to-face is very different to public. Sure, if you personally don't react to someone's abusive posts, someone else will, encouraging them, undermining all your good work. If somebody's picking on you face-to-face, you CAN ignore them, and they hopefully WILL go away (although not a guarantee - depends on whether they want a reaction or are simply content with knowing how hurt you are inside). I guess, though, that in public it depends on whether you want the stupid-heads to stop or to just not get involved. Not getting involved IS easy - just ignore them. Getting them to stop? Slightly more problematic...
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!
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I guess the problem is that face-to-face is very different to public. Sure, if you personally don't react to someone's abusive posts, someone else will, encouraging them, undermining all your good work. If somebody's picking on you face-to-face, you CAN ignore them, and they hopefully WILL go away (although not a guarantee - depends on whether they want a reaction or are simply content with knowing how hurt you are inside). I guess, though, that in public it depends on whether you want the stupid-heads to stop or to just not get involved. Not getting involved IS easy - just ignore them. Getting them to stop? Slightly more problematic...
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Getting them to stop? Slightly more problematic...
Without feedback they cannot continue. They will at first construct feedback if you provide none, but their constructed and projected feedback is overloaded with entropy, and will cycle down into shame.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Getting them to stop? Slightly more problematic...
Without feedback they cannot continue. They will at first construct feedback if you provide none, but their constructed and projected feedback is overloaded with entropy, and will cycle down into shame.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
Without feedback they cannot continue.
Of course, but that's the problem. If you have a hundred people all equally as capable of responding, of course someone will.
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!
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BoneSoft wrote:
Until recently, I hardly even looked at the SoapBox. How in the name of all that is holy, does the SoapBox manage to attract trolls and retards?
Tell us, how did it attract you? :rolleyes:
Compassionate Conservatism is an Oxymoron. Bush is just a Moron.
By being part of a good helpful site for programmers. Thought that was pretty evident from my post. Hence my confusion that retards have invaded.
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BoneSoft wrote:
I'd be tempted to suggest spaying this board with napalm and forgetting this little experiment ever happened
It has been discussed a number of times, but overwhelmingly voted against on the 'if you dont llike it dont come here' basis. I have to say I enjoy the free and often lively debate with people from all over the world that one encounters on the SB. Occasionally you come across a real eye opener. It can also be very funny sometimes, a well constructed piss take for example. But it is a shame that one or two people (Kyle was bad enough but he was at least clever, and very good a spoofing accounts) are just degrading the place beyond reason, which is a shame.
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That's true, you can have some great discussions here that you can't post elsewhere. Just wish we could get rid of some people that ruin it. What might be helpful is if there was an option to ignore certain people, so they can spout bilge all day long and you never even have to see it.
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I don't think it works as often as you'd hope, especially not in a public forum, where anybody can reply, and they do.
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!
Right, they always get to somebody. Not to mention names like CataclysmicQuantum's ;P, but to somebody.
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By being part of a good helpful site for programmers. Thought that was pretty evident from my post. Hence my confusion that retards have invaded.
Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.
BoneSoft wrote:
By being part of a good helpful site for programmers.
The Soapbox has nothing to do with programming. It was evident in my post that I meant what brought you here to the Soapbox. You said you were a member of CP for a long time before venturing in. And now that you're in, you can't help but post and then complain about how others post.
Compassionate Conservatism is an Oxymoron. Bush is just a Moron.
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BoneSoft wrote:
By being part of a good helpful site for programmers.
The Soapbox has nothing to do with programming. It was evident in my post that I meant what brought you here to the Soapbox. You said you were a member of CP for a long time before venturing in. And now that you're in, you can't help but post and then complain about how others post.
Compassionate Conservatism is an Oxymoron. Bush is just a Moron.
Tim Craig wrote:
The Soapbox has nothing to do with programming.
Well aware of that, yet here it is surrounded by a programmer's community. It's virtually the only non-programming part of CP. Leading me to believe it's a place where programmers can vent on off topic issues. And being a programming site/community, that happens to have a couple of boards for off topic discussions, I would assume most people would find their way to the SoapBox through programming. That coupled with the fact that most programmers tend to be somewhat cerebral leads me to question why immature trolls came to be here. How is that so hard to follow?
Tim Craig wrote:
And now that you're in, you can't help but post and then complain about how others post.
Is this an observation? Or something I'm supposed to respond to. Are you defending the crap posts that happened shortly before mine? Are you happy to see mindless flame wars? Do you suggest that I should appreciate them as well? Am I wrong to want people to pay attention to the rules when they're plainly stated at the top of the page?
Rules: Do not post anything illegal, offensive, abusive or that constitutes harassment. No flame wars, spamming, trolling, message bombing or harassment.
Apparently I'm not completely off base in the eyes of CP moderators since at least one of the previous posts was removed. Are you suggesting I'm a hypocrite just because I'm posting here as well? As if my posts are somehow equal to theirs? I reserve the right to complain all I want.
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Tim Craig wrote:
The Soapbox has nothing to do with programming.
Well aware of that, yet here it is surrounded by a programmer's community. It's virtually the only non-programming part of CP. Leading me to believe it's a place where programmers can vent on off topic issues. And being a programming site/community, that happens to have a couple of boards for off topic discussions, I would assume most people would find their way to the SoapBox through programming. That coupled with the fact that most programmers tend to be somewhat cerebral leads me to question why immature trolls came to be here. How is that so hard to follow?
Tim Craig wrote:
And now that you're in, you can't help but post and then complain about how others post.
Is this an observation? Or something I'm supposed to respond to. Are you defending the crap posts that happened shortly before mine? Are you happy to see mindless flame wars? Do you suggest that I should appreciate them as well? Am I wrong to want people to pay attention to the rules when they're plainly stated at the top of the page?
Rules: Do not post anything illegal, offensive, abusive or that constitutes harassment. No flame wars, spamming, trolling, message bombing or harassment.
Apparently I'm not completely off base in the eyes of CP moderators since at least one of the previous posts was removed. Are you suggesting I'm a hypocrite just because I'm posting here as well? As if my posts are somehow equal to theirs? I reserve the right to complain all I want.
Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.
BoneSoft wrote:
That coupled with the fact that most programmers tend to be somewhat cerebral
Well, in my opinion, there are plenty of programmers here who aren't very cerebral, have a wide variety of pseudo scientific and superstitious beliefs, and couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag if someone left the top open.
BoneSoft wrote:
me to question why immature trolls came to be here.
What makes you think they aren't programmers? CataclysmicQuantums, the programmer formerly known as Captain See Sharp, fancies himself an extraordinary C# programmer. He's wrong of course, but is is a programmer of some ilk.
BoneSoft wrote:
Are you defending the crap posts that happened shortly before mine?
No, but censorship is a slippery slope. Apparently, the management here doesn't want to spend a lot of effort policing this area.
BoneSoft wrote:
Apparently I'm not completely off base in the eyes of CP moderators since at least one of the previous posts was removed.
That happens automatically when enough people vote the post as abuse. That's what Ilion keep bitching about how we gang up on him to silence his churlish ass.
Compassionate Conservatism is an Oxymoron. Bush is just a Moron.
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BoneSoft wrote:
That coupled with the fact that most programmers tend to be somewhat cerebral
Well, in my opinion, there are plenty of programmers here who aren't very cerebral, have a wide variety of pseudo scientific and superstitious beliefs, and couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag if someone left the top open.
BoneSoft wrote:
me to question why immature trolls came to be here.
What makes you think they aren't programmers? CataclysmicQuantums, the programmer formerly known as Captain See Sharp, fancies himself an extraordinary C# programmer. He's wrong of course, but is is a programmer of some ilk.
BoneSoft wrote:
Are you defending the crap posts that happened shortly before mine?
No, but censorship is a slippery slope. Apparently, the management here doesn't want to spend a lot of effort policing this area.
BoneSoft wrote:
Apparently I'm not completely off base in the eyes of CP moderators since at least one of the previous posts was removed.
That happens automatically when enough people vote the post as abuse. That's what Ilion keep bitching about how we gang up on him to silence his churlish ass.
Compassionate Conservatism is an Oxymoron. Bush is just a Moron.
Tim Craig wrote:
there are plenty of programmers here who aren't very cerebral
Apparently true enough. Just seems counterintuitive to me.
Tim Craig wrote:
What makes you think they aren't programmers?
I guess I expect more from people in a profession that requires brain work.
Tim Craig wrote:
but censorship is a slippery slope.
For a government to dabble in, not for a privately owned web site.
Tim Craig wrote:
That happens automatically when enough people vote the post as abuse.
Yeah, I know that. But the mechanism was provided so that somebody can do a little policing in accordance with the rules.
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Tim Craig wrote:
there are plenty of programmers here who aren't very cerebral
Apparently true enough. Just seems counterintuitive to me.
Tim Craig wrote:
What makes you think they aren't programmers?
I guess I expect more from people in a profession that requires brain work.
Tim Craig wrote:
but censorship is a slippery slope.
For a government to dabble in, not for a privately owned web site.
Tim Craig wrote:
That happens automatically when enough people vote the post as abuse.
Yeah, I know that. But the mechanism was provided so that somebody can do a little policing in accordance with the rules.
Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.
BoneSoft wrote:
Just seems counterintuitive to me
Sadly, I know what you mean.
BoneSoft wrote:
I guess I expect more from people in a profession that requires brain work.
As someone who knows both, programming isn't rocket science.
BoneSoft wrote:
For a government to dabble in, not for a privately owned web site.
Well, the site makes money based on visitors. If they start alienating visitors by censoring or blocking them, they lose revenue. You've got to be a pretty big asshole to get kicked out of here. Not that it doesn't happen. :rolleyes:
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BoneSoft wrote:
Just seems counterintuitive to me
Sadly, I know what you mean.
BoneSoft wrote:
I guess I expect more from people in a profession that requires brain work.
As someone who knows both, programming isn't rocket science.
BoneSoft wrote:
For a government to dabble in, not for a privately owned web site.
Well, the site makes money based on visitors. If they start alienating visitors by censoring or blocking them, they lose revenue. You've got to be a pretty big asshole to get kicked out of here. Not that it doesn't happen. :rolleyes:
Compassionate Conservatism is an Oxymoron. Bush is just a Moron.
Tim Craig wrote:
programming isn't rocket science
True, that's why we have VB ;P. And I guess most programmers are mature professionals. The retards (at least in this instance) are a minority.
Tim Craig wrote:
You've got to be a pretty big a**hole to get kicked out of here.
The only thing that let's me believe that it could possibly happen is the fact that DemonPossessed's account is still pretty young.
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Tim Craig wrote:
programming isn't rocket science
True, that's why we have VB ;P. And I guess most programmers are mature professionals. The retards (at least in this instance) are a minority.
Tim Craig wrote:
You've got to be a pretty big a**hole to get kicked out of here.
The only thing that let's me believe that it could possibly happen is the fact that DemonPossessed's account is still pretty young.
Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.
BoneSoft wrote:
The only thing that let's me believe that it could possibly happen is the fact that DemonPossessed's account is still pretty young.
Kyle tends to start a lot of new accounts for various reasons, usually trolling. Our little Joshua, the cough syrup abusing nitwit, has been bounced several times.
Compassionate Conservatism is an Oxymoron. Bush is just a Moron.