UN conference in Bali. [modified]
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Don't do that, go hug (burn?) a tree.
I had some god fun with the McCulloch 16" at the weekend. I feel the need agin this weekend, perhaps that will make me feel better.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Maybe I do...
This is insurance incase you realize what that means and decide to delete your post.
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CataclysmicQuantums wrote:
This is insurance incase you realize what that means and decide to delete your post.
You are a warped person. What is it about posts relating to homosexuality that you find so fascinating you have to 'take out insurance' or, as you did with me, re-publicise it in the dellusion that others would find it as interesting as you do? If you want to experiment a little go out and do it. At least you will get it out of your system, or find a more satisfying way of life.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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I have 7 overgrown conifers to get rid of, some taller than my house, so if you want to put that McCulloch to good use ...
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digital man wrote:
I doubt that any GWankers even bother to read your posts any more: they just mark them as 1.
Hey! I read it! I just couldn't get over the fact that he thinks I'm stalking him. :laugh:
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Hey! I read it! I just couldn't get over the fact that he thinks I'm stalking him.
Only kidding. Its a classic way to get rid of someone who constantly jumps on your posts.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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CataclysmicQuantums wrote:
This is insurance incase you realize what that means and decide to delete your post.
You are a warped person. What is it about posts relating to homosexuality that you find so fascinating you have to 'take out insurance' or, as you did with me, re-publicise it in the dellusion that others would find it as interesting as you do? If you want to experiment a little go out and do it. At least you will get it out of your system, or find a more satisfying way of life.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Where did this idiot spring up from? And is he really a SW engineer? I can barely imagine the code he writes based on the logic of his arguments. He's either a VB coder or the most convincing yet of Kyles personalities.
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Where did this idiot spring up from? And is he really a SW engineer? I can barely imagine the code he writes based on the logic of his arguments. He's either a VB coder or the most convincing yet of Kyles personalities.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Hey! I read it! I just couldn't get over the fact that he thinks I'm stalking him.
Only kidding. Its a classic way to get rid of someone who constantly jumps on your posts.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
Only kidding. Its a classic way to get rid of someone who constantly jumps on your posts.
You did insult MmmBop...:mad: OK, so MAYBE I am a silly, loser kid sometimes (often), but...can you blame me? You'd better not. ;P But you shoulda known it wouldn't get rid of me. Although I did feel oddly compelled to go 'beddie byes' last night. :suss: I did, in fact.
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!
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But I was right wasnt I. You arent a SW engineer, you are a short order cook in a burger bar. Or were untill you got the sack.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
Or were untill you got the sack.
I quit my last job. I don't get paid to engineer my own software because its a hobby. Now I am a professional bum who can't seem to get away from the computer to save my life. Thank God I can apply for almost any job online.
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So I just contaced John Hay, the UN FCC conference spokes person and asked him some questions: 1) 10,000 yes really, 10,000 people are going to attend the conference in Bali for 2 weeks. And thats not including the press, who no doubt will number at least 1,000. 2) He wasnt forthcoming regarding the Carbon Footprint of the conference, I expect it hasnt even beem calculated, but assume each person, probably flying business class (on your tax money), has a total weight of around around 100 kg, then thats 1,100,000 kgs of 'airfright' alone created by the confernce. Whats the carbon footprint of that lot for a 12 hour flight? So using Flight Emissions Calculator[^] one can calculate that for a flight from Denmark to Indonesia each person costs 2.5 tonnes of CO2. Thats 27,500 tonnes of CO2 just for the flights say. But theres more! Check out this seductively glossy production: climate change conference 2OO7[^] and particularly page 18. (Thats just after the 5* hotel list (alsoo on your tax money), the 'Optional Tours' section. Yes, you can spend 6 hours, 8 hours, 9 hours, or 4 days driving and flying around the wonderful islands of indonesia lapping up the cultural beauty and atmosphere (before it is all wiped out ny Global Warming that is). The general conditions make interesting reading: Inclusive in Tour Price: Tour and transfers as mentioned in the itinerary with private airconditioned vehicle. English speaking guide. Entrance fee, donation fee and luggage handling. Accommodation at Hotel. Exclusive: Airport taxes. Tipping, gratuities & other personal expenses. Notes: Additional night in Bali might be required, depending on the return flight to the country of origin that originally booked. Ah yes, 5 days swanning around in private airconditioned cars, flying first class, staying in 5 * hotels! So whats that lot going to cost extra? a few tonnes more each? Not to mention the electricity used. 11,000 laptops and phones running for 2 weeks? Thats a few more tonnes. Food? How much has to be shipped in? Can Bali really feed that many? How about all the drink tha
Good for you fat_boy. I may not always agree with your posts (FWIW I am on the fence concerning AGW, but I feel strongly that we must change our energy usage habits else my 3-year old daughter is going to grow up in a world even more fucked up than the one we live in today) but this is one crusade of yours that has my backing.
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Thanks for the vote ofconfidence. Its good to know some people appreciate my onslaught on AGW.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
The people who lambaste you are hardly the most respectable visitors to this forum. I'm sure there are a lot of us who find what you write very interesting. We're just not as vocal.
Cheers Tom Philosophy: The art of never getting beyond the concept of life.
Religion: Morality taking credit for the work of luck.
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." - Marcus Aurelius -
fat_boy wrote:
Only kidding. Its a classic way to get rid of someone who constantly jumps on your posts.
You did insult MmmBop...:mad: OK, so MAYBE I am a silly, loser kid sometimes (often), but...can you blame me? You'd better not. ;P But you shoulda known it wouldn't get rid of me. Although I did feel oddly compelled to go 'beddie byes' last night. :suss: I did, in fact.
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
OK, so MAYBE I am a silly, loser kid sometimes (often),
Why do you say that?
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
but...can you blame me?
If you were yes, but you probably arent so no.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
But you shoulda known it wouldn't get rid of me.
Yes, you seem to have the persistence of fish sauce. ;)
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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So I just contaced John Hay, the UN FCC conference spokes person and asked him some questions: 1) 10,000 yes really, 10,000 people are going to attend the conference in Bali for 2 weeks. And thats not including the press, who no doubt will number at least 1,000. 2) He wasnt forthcoming regarding the Carbon Footprint of the conference, I expect it hasnt even beem calculated, but assume each person, probably flying business class (on your tax money), has a total weight of around around 100 kg, then thats 1,100,000 kgs of 'airfright' alone created by the confernce. Whats the carbon footprint of that lot for a 12 hour flight? So using Flight Emissions Calculator[^] one can calculate that for a flight from Denmark to Indonesia each person costs 2.5 tonnes of CO2. Thats 27,500 tonnes of CO2 just for the flights say. But theres more! Check out this seductively glossy production: climate change conference 2OO7[^] and particularly page 18. (Thats just after the 5* hotel list (alsoo on your tax money), the 'Optional Tours' section. Yes, you can spend 6 hours, 8 hours, 9 hours, or 4 days driving and flying around the wonderful islands of indonesia lapping up the cultural beauty and atmosphere (before it is all wiped out ny Global Warming that is). The general conditions make interesting reading: Inclusive in Tour Price: Tour and transfers as mentioned in the itinerary with private airconditioned vehicle. English speaking guide. Entrance fee, donation fee and luggage handling. Accommodation at Hotel. Exclusive: Airport taxes. Tipping, gratuities & other personal expenses. Notes: Additional night in Bali might be required, depending on the return flight to the country of origin that originally booked. Ah yes, 5 days swanning around in private airconditioned cars, flying first class, staying in 5 * hotels! So whats that lot going to cost extra? a few tonnes more each? Not to mention the electricity used. 11,000 laptops and phones running for 2 weeks? Thats a few more tonnes. Food? How much has to be shipped in? Can Bali really feed that many? How about all the drink tha
GW aside, I have to agree wioth your general sentiments on the UN personnel... my brother recently returned from a mammoth cycle-tour all around Africa - North to South and East to West - and he came back spitting blood about them. All over the continent, he said, he was constantly being passed on the road by gleaming white Landrovers sporting UN flags with their white-shirted occupants zipping around from town to town in air-conditioned comfort (and the air-bubble of their perverted thinking) trying to make out that they are helping the poor Black Man... (not that they'd ever actually meet one, except to order a shoe-shine off of...) The UN should be disbanded, pure and simple. It was a nice idea at the outset, but it is a complete and utter failure. It is intellectually dishonest, and a waste of everyone's time, effort and money. Maybe one day it can be resurrected in a different form, when the memories of this one have faded into history. I know I'm not supposed to feed your GW obsession, but I can't help it, so here goes: I think you're wrong about GW. Little point arguing about it I know but just for the record, mark my words: in your life-time, you will see *huge* changes in the social and political life of this planet, all bought about by a changing world climate. And they won't be nice (because we haven't the political sophistication to deal with them) - and they will have been exaggerated by the fact that this planet has billions of people pourong out billions of tons of one form of sh*t or another into the environment, which it simply cannot accommodate any longer. We are fast approaching a tipping point, and once over the edge... god help us all. I'm not worried about the planet, which doesn't care if it's hot, cold or in-between - it's how we cope with the changes that's going to be nasty. Doesn't mean I support the green taxes and other "initiatives" of the "Green" lobby - far as I am concerned, we're too late: there is no way the peoples of this planet could ever unite enough to do anything even if they all wanted to, or agreed on a course of action, which they clearly don't. We're going to have to face it when it comes, and that's that. Might as well enjoy the relative peace while we still have it. It's coming, F_B, believe me. All these stats you post showing it isn't are no more than those a smoker could post up showing how 20 years of smoking haven't killed him. Some smokers get away with it and remain healthy all their long lives - but we only have this one planet, and I do believ
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CataclysmicQuantums wrote:
This is insurance incase you realize what that means and decide to delete your post.
You are a warped person. What is it about posts relating to homosexuality that you find so fascinating you have to 'take out insurance' or, as you did with me, re-publicise it in the dellusion that others would find it as interesting as you do? If you want to experiment a little go out and do it. At least you will get it out of your system, or find a more satisfying way of life.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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GW aside, I have to agree wioth your general sentiments on the UN personnel... my brother recently returned from a mammoth cycle-tour all around Africa - North to South and East to West - and he came back spitting blood about them. All over the continent, he said, he was constantly being passed on the road by gleaming white Landrovers sporting UN flags with their white-shirted occupants zipping around from town to town in air-conditioned comfort (and the air-bubble of their perverted thinking) trying to make out that they are helping the poor Black Man... (not that they'd ever actually meet one, except to order a shoe-shine off of...) The UN should be disbanded, pure and simple. It was a nice idea at the outset, but it is a complete and utter failure. It is intellectually dishonest, and a waste of everyone's time, effort and money. Maybe one day it can be resurrected in a different form, when the memories of this one have faded into history. I know I'm not supposed to feed your GW obsession, but I can't help it, so here goes: I think you're wrong about GW. Little point arguing about it I know but just for the record, mark my words: in your life-time, you will see *huge* changes in the social and political life of this planet, all bought about by a changing world climate. And they won't be nice (because we haven't the political sophistication to deal with them) - and they will have been exaggerated by the fact that this planet has billions of people pourong out billions of tons of one form of sh*t or another into the environment, which it simply cannot accommodate any longer. We are fast approaching a tipping point, and once over the edge... god help us all. I'm not worried about the planet, which doesn't care if it's hot, cold or in-between - it's how we cope with the changes that's going to be nasty. Doesn't mean I support the green taxes and other "initiatives" of the "Green" lobby - far as I am concerned, we're too late: there is no way the peoples of this planet could ever unite enough to do anything even if they all wanted to, or agreed on a course of action, which they clearly don't. We're going to have to face it when it comes, and that's that. Might as well enjoy the relative peace while we still have it. It's coming, F_B, believe me. All these stats you post showing it isn't are no more than those a smoker could post up showing how 20 years of smoking haven't killed him. Some smokers get away with it and remain healthy all their long lives - but we only have this one planet, and I do believ
Fred_Smith wrote:
mark my words
Marked. In 20 years we can revisit this post and see just what has happened. But in the mean time take a look at this: Temperature measurements from two Greenland Ice Sheet boreholes were used to reconstruct the temperature history of the Greenland Ice Sheet over the past 50,000 years. What was learned The data revealed that temperatures on the Greenland Ice Sheet during the Last Glacial Maximum (approximately 25,000 years ago) were 23 ± 2 °C colder than at present. After the termination of the glacial period, temperatures increased steadily to a maximum of 2.5°C warmer than at present during the Climatic Optimum (4,000 to 7,000 years ago). The Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age were also documented in the record, with temperatures 1°C warmer and 0.5-0.7°C cooler than at present, respectively. [^] So in recent human history (bronze age) itwas 2.5 degrees warmer. Thats more then the IPCC predicts for the next century. And we, and the planet, lived through that period, even laying down the roots for todays civilisations: agriculture, religion. Look at stonehenge? You cant build that unless society is big, organised and cohesive. Mark my words. Absoloutely nothing is going to happen except increased crop yields and plant growth. Nothing happened before, and nothing will happen again.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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GW aside, I have to agree wioth your general sentiments on the UN personnel... my brother recently returned from a mammoth cycle-tour all around Africa - North to South and East to West - and he came back spitting blood about them. All over the continent, he said, he was constantly being passed on the road by gleaming white Landrovers sporting UN flags with their white-shirted occupants zipping around from town to town in air-conditioned comfort (and the air-bubble of their perverted thinking) trying to make out that they are helping the poor Black Man... (not that they'd ever actually meet one, except to order a shoe-shine off of...) The UN should be disbanded, pure and simple. It was a nice idea at the outset, but it is a complete and utter failure. It is intellectually dishonest, and a waste of everyone's time, effort and money. Maybe one day it can be resurrected in a different form, when the memories of this one have faded into history. I know I'm not supposed to feed your GW obsession, but I can't help it, so here goes: I think you're wrong about GW. Little point arguing about it I know but just for the record, mark my words: in your life-time, you will see *huge* changes in the social and political life of this planet, all bought about by a changing world climate. And they won't be nice (because we haven't the political sophistication to deal with them) - and they will have been exaggerated by the fact that this planet has billions of people pourong out billions of tons of one form of sh*t or another into the environment, which it simply cannot accommodate any longer. We are fast approaching a tipping point, and once over the edge... god help us all. I'm not worried about the planet, which doesn't care if it's hot, cold or in-between - it's how we cope with the changes that's going to be nasty. Doesn't mean I support the green taxes and other "initiatives" of the "Green" lobby - far as I am concerned, we're too late: there is no way the peoples of this planet could ever unite enough to do anything even if they all wanted to, or agreed on a course of action, which they clearly don't. We're going to have to face it when it comes, and that's that. Might as well enjoy the relative peace while we still have it. It's coming, F_B, believe me. All these stats you post showing it isn't are no more than those a smoker could post up showing how 20 years of smoking haven't killed him. Some smokers get away with it and remain healthy all their long lives - but we only have this one planet, and I do believ
Fred_Smith wrote:
The UN should be disbanded, pure and simple. It was a nice idea at the outset, but it is a complete and utter failure ... Maybe one day it can be resurrected in a different form
Replace/resurrected it with what? Who or what should assume the role of world policeman in its absence? What, in its absense, of humanitarian concerns? etc...
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Fred_Smith wrote:
mark my words
Marked. In 20 years we can revisit this post and see just what has happened. But in the mean time take a look at this: Temperature measurements from two Greenland Ice Sheet boreholes were used to reconstruct the temperature history of the Greenland Ice Sheet over the past 50,000 years. What was learned The data revealed that temperatures on the Greenland Ice Sheet during the Last Glacial Maximum (approximately 25,000 years ago) were 23 ± 2 °C colder than at present. After the termination of the glacial period, temperatures increased steadily to a maximum of 2.5°C warmer than at present during the Climatic Optimum (4,000 to 7,000 years ago). The Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age were also documented in the record, with temperatures 1°C warmer and 0.5-0.7°C cooler than at present, respectively. [^] So in recent human history (bronze age) itwas 2.5 degrees warmer. Thats more then the IPCC predicts for the next century. And we, and the planet, lived through that period, even laying down the roots for todays civilisations: agriculture, religion. Look at stonehenge? You cant build that unless society is big, organised and cohesive. Mark my words. Absoloutely nothing is going to happen except increased crop yields and plant growth. Nothing happened before, and nothing will happen again.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
And we, and the planet, lived through that period
yes, we did, but for long periods the whole of northern Europe and what is now northern USA was uninhabitable (buried under ice)... just imagine the political / social consequences of humanity today trying to cope woth that sort of change... it isn't that the world will be uninhabtable per se, it;'s more about our ability to cope with the changes...
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Ah, my quarry - I have found you.
Looks like someone has a crush.
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fat_boy wrote:
And we, and the planet, lived through that period
yes, we did, but for long periods the whole of northern Europe and what is now northern USA was uninhabitable (buried under ice)... just imagine the political / social consequences of humanity today trying to cope woth that sort of change... it isn't that the world will be uninhabtable per se, it;'s more about our ability to cope with the changes...
Fred_Smith wrote:
for long periods the whole of northern Europe and what is now northern USA was uninhabitable (buried under ice)...
Hang on, we are talking about global warming, not a new ice age. If the temp drops by 6 degrees (like the last ice age), yes, we are mightly fucked. Be then need to find ways to warm the planet up to avoid disaster, but thats a different argument.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Fred_Smith wrote:
for long periods the whole of northern Europe and what is now northern USA was uninhabitable (buried under ice)...
Hang on, we are talking about global warming, not a new ice age. If the temp drops by 6 degrees (like the last ice age), yes, we are mightly fucked. Be then need to find ways to warm the planet up to avoid disaster, but thats a different argument.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
Hang on, we are talking about global warming, not a new ice age
Who knows? It may be warmer in some parts and colder in others; maybe one followed by the other - I'm talking about global climactic change. Our climate models are nowhere near accurate enough to make sensible predictions. You may even be right and it'll all balance out, but I think we are making such a big imprint on the planet that sooner rather than later we're going to find that our actions have consequences....
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
OK, so MAYBE I am a silly, loser kid sometimes (often),
Why do you say that?
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
but...can you blame me?
If you were yes, but you probably arent so no.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
But you shoulda known it wouldn't get rid of me.
Yes, you seem to have the persistence of fish sauce. ;)
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
Why do you say that?
Why? Oh, you know....example: I finally got a mobile phone, a fair while ago, and still nobody has my number, or I theirs. I have never even used it. I'm still too shy to talk to strangers face-to-face. I thought that I would be able to change the world for the greater good, but then I realised that the world doesn't want my help. I've had the same song stuck in my head for the past five days. I watched my computer defrag. Twice.
It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!