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  • N Nnamdi Onyeyiri

    the world has gone insane! wot the fcuk is he on trying to legalise that. I could see it now, someone attacks some bi company, and gets off their charge, cos they say... 'i'm sorry, i thought it was a p2p network' hope they dont allow it, I use kazaa.


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    Joao Vaz
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    They're trying to combat fire with fire ... let's see if this is approved, who get's burned first ... Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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      They're trying to combat fire with fire ... let's see if this is approved, who get's burned first ... Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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      Nnamdi Onyeyiri
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      they cant stop it. kazaa and other p2p networks will improve the security, to make it harder.


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      • N Nnamdi Onyeyiri

        the world has gone insane! wot the fcuk is he on trying to legalise that. I could see it now, someone attacks some bi company, and gets off their charge, cos they say... 'i'm sorry, i thought it was a p2p network' hope they dont allow it, I use kazaa.


        :bob: Email: theeclypse@hotmail.com   URL: http://www.onyeyiri.co.uk:bob:

        "What goes up must come down. Ask any system administrator"

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        benjymous
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        "I thought they're breaking my copyright, so I hacked their whole network" If this is legalized, will they be able to do just that? I wouldn't be surprised if they the RIAA didn't just set up thousands of PCs on fast connections to run KaZaA, and host lots of viruses and trojans named to look like songs (the average user would be too dim to realise that brittneyspears_doubleclickme.exe probably isn't a music file) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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          "I thought they're breaking my copyright, so I hacked their whole network" If this is legalized, will they be able to do just that? I wouldn't be surprised if they the RIAA didn't just set up thousands of PCs on fast connections to run KaZaA, and host lots of viruses and trojans named to look like songs (the average user would be too dim to realise that brittneyspears_doubleclickme.exe probably isn't a music file) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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          Nnamdi Onyeyiri
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          suppose so, unless they make a condition that they have to be able to prove the copyright is being broken. which on something like kazaa is not hard. just type in something like 'windows xp' and you will get loads of results.


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          • J Joao Vaz

            According to this article on Slashdot Legalizing Attacks on P2P Networks [new window] quoting "Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) wants to legalize DoS attacks on P2P.." GOSH :omg: !!!! These politians are becoming insane ? :~ Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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            _Magnus_
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            Great idea!! Make it legal to shoot thives also! /Magnus

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              "I thought they're breaking my copyright, so I hacked their whole network" If this is legalized, will they be able to do just that? I wouldn't be surprised if they the RIAA didn't just set up thousands of PCs on fast connections to run KaZaA, and host lots of viruses and trojans named to look like songs (the average user would be too dim to realise that brittneyspears_doubleclickme.exe probably isn't a music file) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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              Joao Vaz
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              benjymous wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if they the RIAA didn't just set up thousands of PCs on fast connections to run KaZaA, and host lots of viruses and trojans named to look like songs Actually, they may thinking seriously in making this kind or similar action of sabottage ... :~ Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                According to this article on Slashdot Legalizing Attacks on P2P Networks [new window] quoting "Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) wants to legalize DoS attacks on P2P.." GOSH :omg: !!!! These politians are becoming insane ? :~ Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                KaRl
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                This representant is trying to promote an US law to allow attacks Worldwide ?!? Isn't it a casus belli ? what would be the US reaction if EU promote a law enabling to attack americans networks and servers ? And always the same old lies of RIAA: "Internet piracy undermines the growth of legitimate online music sites and hurts all consumers in the long run", which should be translated as: "Internet piracy undermines our possibilities making money with our online music sites and hurts our capacities to dictate to all consumers what they should listen to and buy" Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"

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                  Great idea!! Make it legal to shoot thives also! /Magnus

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                  Joao Vaz
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                  Magnus H wrote: Great idea!! Make it legal to shoot thives also! LOL :laugh: Actually you can do it in self defense ;P Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                    This representant is trying to promote an US law to allow attacks Worldwide ?!? Isn't it a casus belli ? what would be the US reaction if EU promote a law enabling to attack americans networks and servers ? And always the same old lies of RIAA: "Internet piracy undermines the growth of legitimate online music sites and hurts all consumers in the long run", which should be translated as: "Internet piracy undermines our possibilities making money with our online music sites and hurts our capacities to dictate to all consumers what they should listen to and buy" Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"

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                    Joao Vaz
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                    Karl wrote: This representant is trying to promote an US law to allow attacks Worldwide ?!? Isn't it a casus belli ? I think so . For the guy is a perfect reason to war , so ... This remembers me the "dirty war" in Spain that was making terrorism to terrorists (ETA group) So the representant thinks that he have a clear case that war justifies war at any cost ... even employing illegal Denial of Services to bring down the p2p networks ... :wtf: Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                      Magnus H wrote: Great idea!! Make it legal to shoot thives also! LOL :laugh: Actually you can do it in self defense ;P Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                      benjymous
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                      Yeah, but the thief's family will get you convicted, and win[^] -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                        Yeah, but the thief's family will get you convicted, and win[^] -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                        Joao Vaz
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                        Thanks for the link ! What a case , ehh ? Controversial ! Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                          Karl wrote: This representant is trying to promote an US law to allow attacks Worldwide ?!? Isn't it a casus belli ? I think so . For the guy is a perfect reason to war , so ... This remembers me the "dirty war" in Spain that was making terrorism to terrorists (ETA group) So the representant thinks that he have a clear case that war justifies war at any cost ... even employing illegal Denial of Services to bring down the p2p networks ... :wtf: Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                          KaRl
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                          Joao Vaz wrote: the "dirty war" in Spain I remember that. It caused the fall of the previous spanish government, didn't it ? Joao Vaz wrote: the representant thinks that he have a clear case that war justifies war at any cost It' like the article about the "rest of world cup": "When we trumpeted globalization, we were pretty clear that we meant other countries acting like us, not vice versa" Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"

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                            Thanks for the link ! What a case , ehh ? Controversial ! Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                            Yeah, very. Pretty much everyone supported the farmer, and there was huge uproar when he was convicted of murder -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                              Yeah, very. Pretty much everyone supported the farmer, and there was huge uproar when he was convicted of murder -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                              benjymous wrote: Yeah, very. Pretty much everyone supported the farmer, and there was huge uproar when he was convicted of murder Really , a though decision to make ... but fair ? Who knows ? Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                                Joao Vaz wrote: the "dirty war" in Spain I remember that. It caused the fall of the previous spanish government, didn't it ? Joao Vaz wrote: the representant thinks that he have a clear case that war justifies war at any cost It' like the article about the "rest of world cup": "When we trumpeted globalization, we were pretty clear that we meant other countries acting like us, not vice versa" Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"

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                                Karl wrote: It caused the fall of the previous spanish government, didn't it ? Yeap, it caused . A lot of scandals arised from this situation. Karl wrote: It' like the article about the "rest of world cup": "When we trumpeted globalization, we were pretty clear that we meant other countries acting like us, not vice versa" Moi aussi. That was funny indeed :-) Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                                  benjymous wrote: Yeah, very. Pretty much everyone supported the farmer, and there was huge uproar when he was convicted of murder Really , a though decision to make ... but fair ? Who knows ? Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                                  benjymous
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                                  It wasn't the fact he was convicted, but that it was murder rather than manslaughter (due to him acting in self defence) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                                    It wasn't the fact he was convicted, but that it was murder rather than manslaughter (due to him acting in self defence) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                                    Joao Vaz
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                                    benjymous wrote: It wasn't the fact he was convicted, but that it was murder rather than manslaughter (due to him acting in self defence) Yeah . Strange the conviction for murder :wtf: Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                                      According to this article on Slashdot Legalizing Attacks on P2P Networks [new window] quoting "Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) wants to legalize DoS attacks on P2P.." GOSH :omg: !!!! These politians are becoming insane ? :~ Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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                                      Hey, if a thief breaks into my house at 2 AM and tries to steal my guitar, he's likely to find himself dodging some rather well placed 9mm rounds. If someone tries to steal the songs I wrote with that guitar, why can't I shoot back in the digital domain to protect my property? Don't want to get shot at? Don't steal. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                                        This representant is trying to promote an US law to allow attacks Worldwide ?!? Isn't it a casus belli ? what would be the US reaction if EU promote a law enabling to attack americans networks and servers ? And always the same old lies of RIAA: "Internet piracy undermines the growth of legitimate online music sites and hurts all consumers in the long run", which should be translated as: "Internet piracy undermines our possibilities making money with our online music sites and hurts our capacities to dictate to all consumers what they should listen to and buy" Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"

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                                        Karl wrote: And always the same old lies of RIAA: "Internet piracy undermines the growth of legitimate online music sites and hurts all consumers in the long run", which should be translated as: "Internet piracy undermines our possibilities making money with our online music sites and hurts our capacities to dictate to all consumers what they should listen to and buy" Why is it that everyone always talks about RIAA and the leeching record labels when justifying piracy, but they never talk about how it hurts the people who wrote the songs you enjoy - the musicians? We get screwed badly enough by the record companies as it is. Piracy takes away what few bread crumbs they throw us. Find a way to penalize the corporate rip off artists who steal musicians blind (labels, organized as RIAA or not) without taking money out of the bands' pockets and I might even support it. Until then, when you steal from a record label, you steal from a musician. We didn't do anything to deserve that, even if the label did. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                                          Hey, if a thief breaks into my house at 2 AM and tries to steal my guitar, he's likely to find himself dodging some rather well placed 9mm rounds. If someone tries to steal the songs I wrote with that guitar, why can't I shoot back in the digital domain to protect my property? Don't want to get shot at? Don't steal. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                                          Christopher Duncan wrote: If someone tries to steal the songs I wrote with that guitar, why can't I shoot back in the digital domain to protect my property? Don't want to get shot at? Don't steal. But legalizing DoS attacks , isn't the proper way to defend the artist's rights ... or you think that using hacking (proper use of this is script kidding) it's the best way to guard the record label's and the atist's rights ? I use p2p networks , normally the gnutella network with the gnucleus client , and I'm not stealing anything . Almost all of the mp3 that I own is from albums that I do legally own , and the rest is from musics that I pretended to evaluate , normally about 3/4 musics per album , and If I like it , I normally buy the album in 1-3 months time span maximum . The main use that I give to p2p network is to listen mp3 that I don't care to rip from the cd's that I own and to discover new artists and new kind of musics that I don't had the oppotunity to discover if it wasn't the p2p networks . In my computer I use 99.9% of registered software , aka , I make great finantial efforts to own all the software that I use. The only thing that isn't legal it's office 2000 personal edition and I'll legalize it , or one of the updates, soon as I get the bonus that will support your book(your book probably I'll have it in about 1-2 weeks from amazon :-) ) The same with books, there are a lot of pirated books out there in the net , and I must say that I bought any single one that deserved to be bought and rest simply deleted from my PC, also regarding this, Amazon has a great return policy. I respect the artists rights and the p2p networks is the best way to discover new ones and waste some money on original and different music... and this taking in account that I do not listen to radio, so what's left is this kind of networks. For instance for my last buys I used gnucleus to bought 2 jazz albums , 2 blues album and 1 album with muslim music. Just my $0,02 Christopher :-) Cheers, Joao Vaz A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person - Natalie Portman (Padme/Amidala of Star Wars)

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