But would you take the X-10 job?
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I would rather work cleaning horse stables for minimum wage than work for a Spam company. Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
I have worked for minimum wage cleaning toilets. It's an overrated experience. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Jon Sagara wrote: If your life is so good that you can choose your work based on dignity, respectability, morals, and business principles, then you are a blessed man. Maybe I'm a blessed man because I choose my work on dignity, respecability, business principles and morals.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Maybe I'm a blessed man because I choose my work on dignity, respecability, business principles and morals. And maybe you can choose your work based on dignity, respectability, business principles, and morals because you are a blessed man. Just stop right there, Martin. Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
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My perception from my last post about the adult DVD is that most people would take that job. Would you be involved in Spam or X-10 pop-up ads too? What are the limits to your dignity and respectability? I know I wouldn't take the adult DVDs or X-10 cameras on moral and business principles.
Morality is a highly subjective thing, and very frequently based on religion (which is the platform of most of those who object to sex oriented endeavors). Since a large percentage of religions each insist that theirs is the One True Path, with all others being wrong, then by association their morality must also be the exclusive and only correct perspective. And yet, logically, they simply can't all be exclusively correct. So then, how do we solve this question of who's morality is right? Well, humanity typically fight wars over it, killing each other and dancing in the blood, all in the name of what we believe to be morally correct. Which is all the more ironic if the morality you wish to force upon others espouses love and tolerance ("I'm going to butcher you and your familiy in the name of my god of love!"). I personally don't care for spam or pop up ads, and I'm on record as being a big fan of attractive, scantily clad women. However, I have no desire to force my own morality on others. I admire Martin for being someone who appears to live true to his convictions. However, until the day comes when we all share a common religion and morality (probably after huge and terrible wars have killed all opposition), I find any discussion on morality to be pointless, as there is no common point of reference. But then, that's just my own personal morality. Your mileage may vary... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Jon Sagara wrote: If your life is so good that you can choose your work based on dignity, respectability, morals, and business principles, then you are a blessed man. Maybe I'm a blessed man because I choose my work on dignity, respecability, business principles and morals.
Ah, but since we're being hypothetical here, the question remains unasked. What would you do if there were only objectionable programming work available, paying what you're accustomed to making, but all other types of work on the job market meant substandard wages and a questionable attempt to support your family, forcing you to bring up your children in a band and violent neighborhood, causing financial hardship, the inability to afford proper medical care for your wife & kids, etc. Weighted against the dangers and hardships that you could present to the ones you love, which is worse - worrying that your children will be attacked by gangs, or coding annoying pop up ads for a silly camera? Contrived example, you say? You betcha. But then, your initial question is hypothetical as well, so it seems fair game. ;P Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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I have worked for minimum wage cleaning toilets. It's an overrated experience. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Maybe I'm a blessed man because I choose my work on dignity, respecability, business principles and morals. And maybe you can choose your work based on dignity, respectability, business principles, and morals because you are a blessed man. Just stop right there, Martin. Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
You seem defensive. Is there anything we need to know about? Perhaps you have the X-10 cam campaign on your resume? Could you be the ASP HTML Database guy of an Adult site? :omg:
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You seem defensive. Is there anything we need to know about? Perhaps you have the X-10 cam campaign on your resume? Could you be the ASP HTML Database guy of an Adult site? :omg:
I was being contrary, just like you were. FYI, I work for VERITAS as a software engineer. I have nothing to do with X-10, DVD porn, or whatever else you're talking about. And no, I'm not Bill SerGio. Our legal name "VERITAS" is indeed spelled with all caps. Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
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You seem defensive. Is there anything we need to know about? Perhaps you have the X-10 cam campaign on your resume? Could you be the ASP HTML Database guy of an Adult site? :omg:
Actually, John is that attractive female you see in the X-10 ads. She just goes by a male alias here to get respect. And here you want to take that away from her. Shame on you, Martin... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Ah, but since we're being hypothetical here, the question remains unasked. What would you do if there were only objectionable programming work available, paying what you're accustomed to making, but all other types of work on the job market meant substandard wages and a questionable attempt to support your family, forcing you to bring up your children in a band and violent neighborhood, causing financial hardship, the inability to afford proper medical care for your wife & kids, etc. Weighted against the dangers and hardships that you could present to the ones you love, which is worse - worrying that your children will be attacked by gangs, or coding annoying pop up ads for a silly camera? Contrived example, you say? You betcha. But then, your initial question is hypothetical as well, so it seems fair game. ;P Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: but all other types of work on the job market meant substandard wages and a questionable attempt to support your family, forcing you to bring up your children in a band and violent neighborhood, causing financial hardship, I can see the point you're trying to make... but it's not always realistic. If you can learn to live below your means, you'd be suprised how little you can make and still provide a decent life for your kids. I am single and no kids.. but when my parents were my age, my dad was going to grad school and my mom was working in a department store. We had very little money, and lived in a mobile home. But we all turned out all right. Although I'll admit, playing hide-and-seek in a mobile home isn't the most fun in the world. :-D Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Morality is a highly subjective thing, and very frequently based on religion (which is the platform of most of those who object to sex oriented endeavors). Since a large percentage of religions each insist that theirs is the One True Path, with all others being wrong, then by association their morality must also be the exclusive and only correct perspective. And yet, logically, they simply can't all be exclusively correct. So then, how do we solve this question of who's morality is right? Well, humanity typically fight wars over it, killing each other and dancing in the blood, all in the name of what we believe to be morally correct. Which is all the more ironic if the morality you wish to force upon others espouses love and tolerance ("I'm going to butcher you and your familiy in the name of my god of love!"). I personally don't care for spam or pop up ads, and I'm on record as being a big fan of attractive, scantily clad women. However, I have no desire to force my own morality on others. I admire Martin for being someone who appears to live true to his convictions. However, until the day comes when we all share a common religion and morality (probably after huge and terrible wars have killed all opposition), I find any discussion on morality to be pointless, as there is no common point of reference. But then, that's just my own personal morality. Your mileage may vary... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
This thread makes me wonder what you all think of defense contractors. When I first interviewed with my company, the interviewer asked me if I would be okay with working on a project that provided mission planning for a missile. I never gave it a thought because I just wanted the job. To think that something I've worked on has aided my country makes me feel patriotic, but the fact that it can destroy innocent lives leaves me with some guilt, too.:confused:
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I was being contrary, just like you were. FYI, I work for VERITAS as a software engineer. I have nothing to do with X-10, DVD porn, or whatever else you're talking about. And no, I'm not Bill SerGio. Our legal name "VERITAS" is indeed spelled with all caps. Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
Jon Sagara wrote: FYI, I work for VERITAS as a software engineer. Thats even worse. :|
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Jon Sagara wrote: FYI, I work for VERITAS as a software engineer. Thats even worse. :|
Ok, you've fallen way off the wagon. I have no idea where you went and where you're going, nor do I care if you ever come back. End of conversation. Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
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Actually, John is that attractive female you see in the X-10 ads. She just goes by a male alias here to get respect. And here you want to take that away from her. Shame on you, Martin... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: Actually, John is that attractive female you see in the X-10 ads. She just goes by a male alias here to get respect. And here you want to take that away from her. :laugh: Damn. Who told you? :-D Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
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This thread makes me wonder what you all think of defense contractors. When I first interviewed with my company, the interviewer asked me if I would be okay with working on a project that provided mission planning for a missile. I never gave it a thought because I just wanted the job. To think that something I've worked on has aided my country makes me feel patriotic, but the fact that it can destroy innocent lives leaves me with some guilt, too.:confused:
Well, you have to remember that it's people, not weapons, who make the decision to kill. Or, as they say in America, "Guns don't kill poeple. Postal workers do." Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Christopher Duncan wrote: but all other types of work on the job market meant substandard wages and a questionable attempt to support your family, forcing you to bring up your children in a band and violent neighborhood, causing financial hardship, I can see the point you're trying to make... but it's not always realistic. If you can learn to live below your means, you'd be suprised how little you can make and still provide a decent life for your kids. I am single and no kids.. but when my parents were my age, my dad was going to grad school and my mom was working in a department store. We had very little money, and lived in a mobile home. But we all turned out all right. Although I'll admit, playing hide-and-seek in a mobile home isn't the most fun in the world. :-D Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
Navin wrote: If you can learn to live below your means, you'd be suprised how little you can make and still provide a decent life for your kids. I agree with you on this. CG explained to me that he was selling his harddrives on Ebay to get extra cash because he is poor, and still he is able to support his family and defend his children from bogans.
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Navin wrote: If you can learn to live below your means, you'd be suprised how little you can make and still provide a decent life for your kids. I agree with you on this. CG explained to me that he was selling his harddrives on Ebay to get extra cash because he is poor, and still he is able to support his family and defend his children from bogans.
It's really kind of crazy for programmers like *us* to try to talk like this... I bet most of us Americans on this site who are programmers make more than the median income for a whole family. We'd have to be extremely, extremely underemployed to even come close to poverty level. Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Navin wrote: If you can learn to live below your means, you'd be suprised how little you can make and still provide a decent life for your kids. I agree with you on this. CG explained to me that he was selling his harddrives on Ebay to get extra cash because he is poor, and still he is able to support his family and defend his children from bogans.
Hey, no fair for Navin to let you off the hook like that! Navin, go to your room! :-D I presented a hypothetical scenario where you had to make a choice of coding annoying popup ads or endangering the health and well being of your loved ones. C'mon, play along, which would it be? It's all just good clean fun... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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It's really kind of crazy for programmers like *us* to try to talk like this... I bet most of us Americans on this site who are programmers make more than the median income for a whole family. We'd have to be extremely, extremely underemployed to even come close to poverty level. Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
I used to be a career musician, which means I've lived below the poverty level. So I kinda know what it's like on both sides of the fence... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Ok, you've fallen way off the wagon. I have no idea where you went and where you're going, nor do I care if you ever come back. End of conversation. Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
Jon Sagara wrote: Ok, you've fallen way off the wagon. I have no idea where you went and where you're going, nor do I care if you ever come back. I was joking about Veritas being a bad place to work. I was just wondering why you don't mind those kinds of business. Maybe it is because you are from California, and the standards are different in the p0rn capitol of the world.
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I was being contrary, just like you were. FYI, I work for VERITAS as a software engineer. I have nothing to do with X-10, DVD porn, or whatever else you're talking about. And no, I'm not Bill SerGio. Our legal name "VERITAS" is indeed spelled with all caps. Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
Jon Sagara wrote: And no, I'm not Bill SerGio. Our legal name "VERITAS" is indeed spelled with all caps ROFLMAO! ____________________ David Wulff "You don't go to the kitchen to take a piss - if you do, don't expect to be served." - peterchen on Bill SerGio. "I've squeezed off turds that had more going for them then you do." - John Simmons on Bill SerGio "Ohh ohhh aahhh ahhh ahh ahhh oohhhh yeeeessss ohhhh aahhhhh yesssss!" - Me on Bill SerGio