But would you take the X-10 job?
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I was being contrary, just like you were. FYI, I work for VERITAS as a software engineer. I have nothing to do with X-10, DVD porn, or whatever else you're talking about. And no, I'm not Bill SerGio. Our legal name "VERITAS" is indeed spelled with all caps. Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
Jon Sagara wrote: FYI, I work for VERITAS as a software engineer. Thats even worse. :|
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Jon Sagara wrote: FYI, I work for VERITAS as a software engineer. Thats even worse. :|
Ok, you've fallen way off the wagon. I have no idea where you went and where you're going, nor do I care if you ever come back. End of conversation. Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
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Actually, John is that attractive female you see in the X-10 ads. She just goes by a male alias here to get respect. And here you want to take that away from her. Shame on you, Martin... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: Actually, John is that attractive female you see in the X-10 ads. She just goes by a male alias here to get respect. And here you want to take that away from her. :laugh: Damn. Who told you? :-D Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
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This thread makes me wonder what you all think of defense contractors. When I first interviewed with my company, the interviewer asked me if I would be okay with working on a project that provided mission planning for a missile. I never gave it a thought because I just wanted the job. To think that something I've worked on has aided my country makes me feel patriotic, but the fact that it can destroy innocent lives leaves me with some guilt, too.:confused:
Well, you have to remember that it's people, not weapons, who make the decision to kill. Or, as they say in America, "Guns don't kill poeple. Postal workers do." Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Christopher Duncan wrote: but all other types of work on the job market meant substandard wages and a questionable attempt to support your family, forcing you to bring up your children in a band and violent neighborhood, causing financial hardship, I can see the point you're trying to make... but it's not always realistic. If you can learn to live below your means, you'd be suprised how little you can make and still provide a decent life for your kids. I am single and no kids.. but when my parents were my age, my dad was going to grad school and my mom was working in a department store. We had very little money, and lived in a mobile home. But we all turned out all right. Although I'll admit, playing hide-and-seek in a mobile home isn't the most fun in the world. :-D Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
Navin wrote: If you can learn to live below your means, you'd be suprised how little you can make and still provide a decent life for your kids. I agree with you on this. CG explained to me that he was selling his harddrives on Ebay to get extra cash because he is poor, and still he is able to support his family and defend his children from bogans.
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Navin wrote: If you can learn to live below your means, you'd be suprised how little you can make and still provide a decent life for your kids. I agree with you on this. CG explained to me that he was selling his harddrives on Ebay to get extra cash because he is poor, and still he is able to support his family and defend his children from bogans.
It's really kind of crazy for programmers like *us* to try to talk like this... I bet most of us Americans on this site who are programmers make more than the median income for a whole family. We'd have to be extremely, extremely underemployed to even come close to poverty level. Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Navin wrote: If you can learn to live below your means, you'd be suprised how little you can make and still provide a decent life for your kids. I agree with you on this. CG explained to me that he was selling his harddrives on Ebay to get extra cash because he is poor, and still he is able to support his family and defend his children from bogans.
Hey, no fair for Navin to let you off the hook like that! Navin, go to your room! :-D I presented a hypothetical scenario where you had to make a choice of coding annoying popup ads or endangering the health and well being of your loved ones. C'mon, play along, which would it be? It's all just good clean fun... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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It's really kind of crazy for programmers like *us* to try to talk like this... I bet most of us Americans on this site who are programmers make more than the median income for a whole family. We'd have to be extremely, extremely underemployed to even come close to poverty level. Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
I used to be a career musician, which means I've lived below the poverty level. So I kinda know what it's like on both sides of the fence... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Ok, you've fallen way off the wagon. I have no idea where you went and where you're going, nor do I care if you ever come back. End of conversation. Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
Jon Sagara wrote: Ok, you've fallen way off the wagon. I have no idea where you went and where you're going, nor do I care if you ever come back. I was joking about Veritas being a bad place to work. I was just wondering why you don't mind those kinds of business. Maybe it is because you are from California, and the standards are different in the p0rn capitol of the world.
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I was being contrary, just like you were. FYI, I work for VERITAS as a software engineer. I have nothing to do with X-10, DVD porn, or whatever else you're talking about. And no, I'm not Bill SerGio. Our legal name "VERITAS" is indeed spelled with all caps. Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---
Jon Sagara wrote: And no, I'm not Bill SerGio. Our legal name "VERITAS" is indeed spelled with all caps ROFLMAO! ____________________ David Wulff "You don't go to the kitchen to take a piss - if you do, don't expect to be served." - peterchen on Bill SerGio. "I've squeezed off turds that had more going for them then you do." - John Simmons on Bill SerGio "Ohh ohhh aahhh ahhh ahh ahhh oohhhh yeeeessss ohhhh aahhhhh yesssss!" - Me on Bill SerGio
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My perception from my last post about the adult DVD is that most people would take that job. Would you be involved in Spam or X-10 pop-up ads too? What are the limits to your dignity and respectability? I know I wouldn't take the adult DVDs or X-10 cameras on moral and business principles.
You keep down this trail of thought and you'll end up in a convent (not that there's anything wrong with a convent). Todd Smith
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Ah, but since we're being hypothetical here, the question remains unasked. What would you do if there were only objectionable programming work available, paying what you're accustomed to making, but all other types of work on the job market meant substandard wages and a questionable attempt to support your family, forcing you to bring up your children in a band and violent neighborhood, causing financial hardship, the inability to afford proper medical care for your wife & kids, etc. Weighted against the dangers and hardships that you could present to the ones you love, which is worse - worrying that your children will be attacked by gangs, or coding annoying pop up ads for a silly camera? Contrived example, you say? You betcha. But then, your initial question is hypothetical as well, so it seems fair game. ;P Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher, I'd rather live destitue on the streets than work in th pr0n industry. And I've almost proved that. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
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My perception from my last post about the adult DVD is that most people would take that job. Would you be involved in Spam or X-10 pop-up ads too? What are the limits to your dignity and respectability? I know I wouldn't take the adult DVDs or X-10 cameras on moral and business principles.
Just for the record I won't work for, Spam companies, Porn Companies Landmine Manufacturers, Lawyers. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
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Just for the record I won't work for, Spam companies, Porn Companies Landmine Manufacturers, Lawyers. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
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Just for the record I won't work for, Spam companies, Porn Companies Landmine Manufacturers, Lawyers. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
Colin Davies wrote: Just for the record I won't work for, Spam companies, Porn Companies Landmine Manufacturers, Lawyers. But would you work for a company that employeed a, Spammer, Porn Star, Postal Worker, Lawyer :confused: Todd Smith
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My perception from my last post about the adult DVD is that most people would take that job. Would you be involved in Spam or X-10 pop-up ads too? What are the limits to your dignity and respectability? I know I wouldn't take the adult DVDs or X-10 cameras on moral and business principles.
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Christopher, I'd rather live destitue on the streets than work in th pr0n industry. And I've almost proved that. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
If you've lived the impoverished lifestyle, then you have a right to an opinion in this regard. Now here's the thing (looks over both shoulders to make sure no one is listening), and you've gotta keep it quiet... :suss: I'm a rock & roll musician, and I truly love sex with pretty girls. However, I suffer from an incurable disease. I'm a romantic and an idealist. If there's no love, no emotion, no connection, then no matter how pretty the girl, I'd rather sleep alone. I detest strippers and the like. Not because I think there's anything morally wrong with sex or nudity. Rather, because stripping is all about scams, getting something for nothing, i.e. emptying a man's pockets, giving nothing in return, and laughing about it afterwards. (I'm a musician - I've known a few strippers). Hookers are more honest in this regard. Work in the porn business? It's not for me. But not because I'm opposed to sex, or people watching people have sex. I see nothing wrong with either. Rather, I just know the type of creatures that frequent that scene, and it's not the kind of people I care to hang out with, for completely non sex/nudity reasons. However, faced with going back to giving plasma twice a week for $10 a pop at the local blood bank and sleeping on the floor of a friend's living room, I'd learn the ins and outs (no pun intended) of video & graphics programming so fast it would make your head spin. But then, I have no ethical problem with what they do, I just don't like the people. I'd tolerate them, however, if it was a temporary matter of survival. Without hesitation. We do all have our boundaries, though. Would I rob, assault or kill people for a cheeseburger? Not unless society fell into complete anarchy. Or unless they happened to be in Marketing... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Colin Davies wrote: Just for the record I won't work for, Spam companies, Porn Companies Landmine Manufacturers, Lawyers. But would you work for a company that employeed a, Spammer, Porn Star, Postal Worker, Lawyer :confused: Todd Smith
Maybe I'd work for a company that employed a postal worker. As to the others I'd have to consider them on there merits. For instance if a company is going to stoop to spamming what other activities would they find appropriate to be involved in. The same with the Porn Star, Is this the kind of person I want to be aquainted with and select for company ? Whilst I have had to pay lawyers in the past, I still hate them all. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
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If you've lived the impoverished lifestyle, then you have a right to an opinion in this regard. Now here's the thing (looks over both shoulders to make sure no one is listening), and you've gotta keep it quiet... :suss: I'm a rock & roll musician, and I truly love sex with pretty girls. However, I suffer from an incurable disease. I'm a romantic and an idealist. If there's no love, no emotion, no connection, then no matter how pretty the girl, I'd rather sleep alone. I detest strippers and the like. Not because I think there's anything morally wrong with sex or nudity. Rather, because stripping is all about scams, getting something for nothing, i.e. emptying a man's pockets, giving nothing in return, and laughing about it afterwards. (I'm a musician - I've known a few strippers). Hookers are more honest in this regard. Work in the porn business? It's not for me. But not because I'm opposed to sex, or people watching people have sex. I see nothing wrong with either. Rather, I just know the type of creatures that frequent that scene, and it's not the kind of people I care to hang out with, for completely non sex/nudity reasons. However, faced with going back to giving plasma twice a week for $10 a pop at the local blood bank and sleeping on the floor of a friend's living room, I'd learn the ins and outs (no pun intended) of video & graphics programming so fast it would make your head spin. But then, I have no ethical problem with what they do, I just don't like the people. I'd tolerate them, however, if it was a temporary matter of survival. Without hesitation. We do all have our boundaries, though. Would I rob, assault or kill people for a cheeseburger? Not unless society fell into complete anarchy. Or unless they happened to be in Marketing... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
My opinion is similar "I dislike the people" more than what I dislike "what they actually do". The same people who are prepared to indulge in one activity are likely to engage in even more distasteful activities. I also have worked in a few forms of the "Entertainment" Industry and remember colleagues who would take advantage of others. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
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Colin Davies wrote: Spam companies You don't like Hormel Foods?!? :-D ----the menu made me do it...----
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