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  • M mbrezu2

    so... it looks like Microsoft just invented a new technology. Wonder what they'll call it... I know: Microsoft Live MAKE!

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    Howard Richards
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    No, Microsoft Visual Live ActiveMAKE#! :cool:

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      The thing that has bugged me in VS2003 and 2005, that every freakin' C# project gets recompiled when I tell it to run the startup project, HAS BEEN FIXED IN VS2008!!! WOOT! :jig: :beer: :badger: It now only compiles projects where the source code has changed!!! I can't wait to discover that it actually is buggy. And the thread selection in the debugger is awesome! Marc

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      Pete OHanlon
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      They haven't got to you as well have they? I thought we were the last bastions of curmudgeon in the Lounge, and it seems we've been seduced by the glitz and glamour.

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      • H Howard Richards

        No, Microsoft Visual Live ActiveMAKE#! :cool:

        'Howard

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        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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        Howard Richards wrote:

        Microsoft Visual Live ActiveMAKE#

        2.0 :cool:

        "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"

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        • M Member 96

          Why for art though feeding the trolls Mr. Clifton?


          More people died from worry than ever bled to death. - RAH

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          Marc Clifton
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          John Cardinal wrote:

          Why for art though feeding the trolls Mr. Clifton?

          It's sort of like an enchantment. For one hour each day, if I happen to encounter a troll during that time (usually at night before I go to bed) I'm compelled to feed it. :) Marc

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          • M mbrezu2

            so... it looks like Microsoft just invented a new technology. Wonder what they'll call it... I know: Microsoft Live MAKE!

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            Marc Clifton
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            mbrezu2 wrote:

            it looks like Microsoft just invented a new technology. Wonder what they'll call it...

            But first, they'll patent it. ;)

            mbrezu2 wrote:

            I know: Microsoft Live MAKE!

            Or "Microsoft Make Live". It's time they started adding sexual connotations to their products. Marc

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            • M Marc Clifton

              Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji wrote:

              I guess there were settings in vs 2005 to compile the changed or the whole code.

              Where? The only thing I've seen is under Projets and Solutions, the Build and Run options include "On Run, when projects are out of date:" but it always thinks projects are out of date. I mean, it doesn't do a full build, that's true, but it still thinks a lot about each project, far more so than if it were smart enough to know that no actual source files had changed. Marc

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              peterchen
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              Marc Clifton wrote:

              but it always thinks projects are out of date.

              It never said that about my projects ;P


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                Marc Clifton wrote:

                but it always thinks projects are out of date.

                It never said that about my projects ;P


                We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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                Marc Clifton
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                peterchen wrote:

                It never said that about my projects

                :laugh: I guess that's because I'm out of date too. ;) Marc

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                • M Member 96

                  Why for art though feeding the trolls Mr. Clifton?


                  More people died from worry than ever bled to death. - RAH

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                  Nish Nishant
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                  John Cardinal wrote:

                  Why for art though feeding the trolls Mr. Clifton?

                  One good reason a lot of people like to do this is the 5 votes that flow in. Every smart-ass reply to Kyle (or any such troll) gets you lots of 5s which look good in your message listing page. Sadly these days I don't spend enough time here to see troll posts soon enough to be the first one to do a smart-ass reply. This has seriously affected my highly valued collection of 5 voted messages. :rolleyes:

                  Regards, Nish


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                    John Cardinal wrote:

                    Why for art though feeding the trolls Mr. Clifton?

                    One good reason a lot of people like to do this is the 5 votes that flow in. Every smart-ass reply to Kyle (or any such troll) gets you lots of 5s which look good in your message listing page. Sadly these days I don't spend enough time here to see troll posts soon enough to be the first one to do a smart-ass reply. This has seriously affected my highly valued collection of 5 voted messages. :rolleyes:

                    Regards, Nish


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                    Dan Neely
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                    Trolling for 5's gets you a 1. :doh::laugh:

                    -- Help Stamp Out and Abolish Redundancy The preceding is courtesy of the Department of Unnecessarily Redundant Repetition Department.

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji wrote:

                      I guess there were settings in vs 2005 to compile the changed or the whole code.

                      Where? The only thing I've seen is under Projets and Solutions, the Build and Run options include "On Run, when projects are out of date:" but it always thinks projects are out of date. I mean, it doesn't do a full build, that's true, but it still thinks a lot about each project, far more so than if it were smart enough to know that no actual source files had changed. Marc

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                      deltalmg
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                      I think the issue could be having the setup project in the code containing solution. I'd suspect if your setup project was started in its own solution that this wouldn't be the case. Since compiling your setup file makes it obsolete, your solution has changed. Not saying that MS shouldn't be able to do what gcc has been doing for decades and only compile and link what is new, but ... MS is working on making the compiler parallel (sort of there with team build but at the file level), so if you have 4 cores you'll compile >> 1 (~4X, probably more like 3X) core. As always, that feature is scheduled for the "next version".

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        The thing that has bugged me in VS2003 and 2005, that every freakin' C# project gets recompiled when I tell it to run the startup project, HAS BEEN FIXED IN VS2008!!! WOOT! :jig: :beer: :badger: It now only compiles projects where the source code has changed!!! I can't wait to discover that it actually is buggy. And the thread selection in the debugger is awesome! Marc

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                        Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                        I guess I have to buy a subscription now.


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                        • N npclntxz dll

                          Dont use C# or C++ Its too hard; U should write code in the language you speak.

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                          Fuzzier
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                          Oh, yeah. You'd like to speak human language to a CPU, just like you would to a cow...:cool:

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                          • N npclntxz dll

                            Dont use C# or C++ Its too hard; U should write code in the language you speak.

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                            npclntxz.dll wrote:

                            U should write code in the language you speak.

                            Is your native language different than mine (English)? I haven't found a language that is quick and accurate enough to define an algorithm. Just look at an advanced algorithms book, it will talk for pages describing the logic. Rather than: int x = y[list->Value]++; try doing it with words in any language more effeciently, I dare you :)

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                              Trolling for 5's gets you a 1. :doh::laugh:

                              -- Help Stamp Out and Abolish Redundancy The preceding is courtesy of the Department of Unnecessarily Redundant Repetition Department.

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                              Ditto on Trolling for 5 trollers!

                              Gary

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                                npclntxz.dll wrote:

                                U should write code in the language you speak.

                                Is your native language different than mine (English)? I haven't found a language that is quick and accurate enough to define an algorithm. Just look at an advanced algorithms book, it will talk for pages describing the logic. Rather than: int x = y[list->Value]++; try doing it with words in any language more effeciently, I dare you :)

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                                ghle
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                                deltalmg wrote:

                                effeciently

                                Geez, I kant even speel correctly.

                                deltalmg wrote:

                                try doing it with words in any language

                                This, dear teachers, are why word problems were such a pain-in-the-ass in grade school! It wasn't because I stoopid. :^)

                                Gary

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                                • H Howard Richards

                                  No, Microsoft Visual Live ActiveMAKE#! :cool:

                                  'Howard

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                                  ghle
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                                  Howard Richards wrote:

                                  No, Microsoft Visual Live ActiveMAKE#!

                                  How about Microsoft Visual Virtual MakeMe# ? :cool:

                                  Gary

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    peterchen wrote:

                                    It never said that about my projects

                                    :laugh: I guess that's because I'm out of date too. ;) Marc

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                                    peterchen
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                                    nah, it's just you are ripe ;)


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                                      The thing that has bugged me in VS2003 and 2005, that every freakin' C# project gets recompiled when I tell it to run the startup project, HAS BEEN FIXED IN VS2008!!! WOOT! :jig: :beer: :badger: It now only compiles projects where the source code has changed!!! I can't wait to discover that it actually is buggy. And the thread selection in the debugger is awesome! Marc

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                                      Mike Bluett
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                                      One not so good point re: VS2008 is that there are significant limitations when developing an embedded database application (even when using Microsoft's own product: MS SQL Compact 2005). For example, there is no way via the designer to do Foreign Key relations. I haven't looked but it is likely this works for MS SQL. This is a real nuisance when you are building a database that has quite a number of tables.

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                                        John Cardinal wrote:

                                        Why for art though feeding the trolls Mr. Clifton?

                                        It's sort of like an enchantment. For one hour each day, if I happen to encounter a troll during that time (usually at night before I go to bed) I'm compelled to feed it. :) Marc

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        I thought you were poking it with a stick.

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                                        • M Mike Bluett

                                          One not so good point re: VS2008 is that there are significant limitations when developing an embedded database application (even when using Microsoft's own product: MS SQL Compact 2005). For example, there is no way via the designer to do Foreign Key relations. I haven't looked but it is likely this works for MS SQL. This is a real nuisance when you are building a database that has quite a number of tables.

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                                          Marc Clifton
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                                          Mike Bluett wrote:

                                          VS2008 is that there are significant limitations when developing an embedded database application (even when using Microsoft's own product: MS SQL Compact 2005).

                                          Have you looked at VistaDB[^]? (No relation to Vista OS). Marc

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