A reply from an HR Executive (In India)
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My friend has got an offer from one of the leading software firms of India. As his present company is not willing to relieve him immediately he asked the HR of the new company for some time to join. See below, Hi Raj(name changed), Sorry to tell you that i need two months time to join you because the project which i am currently dealing with is going through a critical implementation phase. So i cannot leave the present company without a two months notice.I humbly request you to look into the matter and do the needful. and the reply from the HR Executive was this. You are denying an offer of a brand name and therefore will be mark blacklisted in the ---- group & other associated companies. Think about yourself first otherwise you can not grow vertically and horizontally. My trust is alive on you and I would suggest you to do not spoil the relations. Your DOJ with the company will be 10th December, take it or leave it. waiting, Now,What should be the response for this mail.Considering his skill and experience its not difficult for him to get other offers.
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My friend has got an offer from one of the leading software firms of India. As his present company is not willing to relieve him immediately he asked the HR of the new company for some time to join. See below, Hi Raj(name changed), Sorry to tell you that i need two months time to join you because the project which i am currently dealing with is going through a critical implementation phase. So i cannot leave the present company without a two months notice.I humbly request you to look into the matter and do the needful. and the reply from the HR Executive was this. You are denying an offer of a brand name and therefore will be mark blacklisted in the ---- group & other associated companies. Think about yourself first otherwise you can not grow vertically and horizontally. My trust is alive on you and I would suggest you to do not spoil the relations. Your DOJ with the company will be 10th December, take it or leave it. waiting, Now,What should be the response for this mail.Considering his skill and experience its not difficult for him to get other offers.
jith - iii wrote:
and do the needful.
Excellent
jith - iii wrote:
you can not grow vertically and horizontally.
What does this mean ? The core message here is, they need him more than he needs them
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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vijay7173 wrote:
Who cares?
At least to save similar souls who might be run-over or trampled by this elephant, which is running amuck! :sigh:
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonWell, how much would you care for such a reply from anyone? Honestly, If I was the one who got such a reply, then i would just turn down that offer not worrying about the further consequences. I would make the HR Executive realize that you can't force someone to join the company, at least not by threatening them about ruining their future. If an individual possess skills, then he/she will always have a future. No one can ruin it by blacklisting their name in any group. :)
Regards, Vijay. God may not give us what we 'want', but he surely gives us what we 'need'.
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jith - iii wrote:
and do the needful.
Excellent
jith - iii wrote:
you can not grow vertically and horizontally.
What does this mean ? The core message here is, they need him more than he needs them
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
they need him more than he needs them
Yup. Frantic; Desparate and whatever words that pepper or spice up can be used to describe the HR guy. In a humourous tone, we can also try to make the most use of that guy and fleece him too to demand like $500 per hour and that should make him come down on his knees and flee from the scene.
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
Well, how much would you care for such a reply from anyone? Honestly, If I was the one who got such a reply, then i would just turn down that offer not worrying about the further consequences. I would make the HR Executive realize that you can't force someone to join the company, at least not by threatening them about ruining their future. If an individual possess skills, then he/she will always have a future. No one can ruin it by blacklisting their name in any group. :)
Regards, Vijay. God may not give us what we 'want', but he surely gives us what we 'need'.
vijay7173 wrote:
No one can ruin it by blacklisting their name in any group.
Definitely. There is a Tamil proverb that "
A dog can not bark at the moon and make it afraid. It is the dog's mouth that is going to pain in the process and the moon is going to have its supreme reign in the sky undisturbed".Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
jith - iii wrote:
and do the needful.
Excellent
jith - iii wrote:
you can not grow vertically and horizontally.
What does this mean ? The core message here is, they need him more than he needs them
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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My friend has got an offer from one of the leading software firms of India. As his present company is not willing to relieve him immediately he asked the HR of the new company for some time to join. See below, Hi Raj(name changed), Sorry to tell you that i need two months time to join you because the project which i am currently dealing with is going through a critical implementation phase. So i cannot leave the present company without a two months notice.I humbly request you to look into the matter and do the needful. and the reply from the HR Executive was this. You are denying an offer of a brand name and therefore will be mark blacklisted in the ---- group & other associated companies. Think about yourself first otherwise you can not grow vertically and horizontally. My trust is alive on you and I would suggest you to do not spoil the relations. Your DOJ with the company will be 10th December, take it or leave it. waiting, Now,What should be the response for this mail.Considering his skill and experience its not difficult for him to get other offers.
jith - iii wrote:
Now,What should be the response for this mail.Considering his skill and experience its not difficult for him to get other offers.
Tell the HR exec to go pound salt. He's nuts. Would anybody want to work for an organization that relates to potential employees in such a manner?
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Christian Graus wrote:
jith - iii wrote: you can not grow vertically and horizontally. What does this mean ?
Seems that if he doesn't take the job he won't gain weight or grow any taller.
Abu Mami wrote:
he won't gain weight or grow any taller
Is that HR Executive is a saint or sage by any chance like 'Durvasa' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durvasa[^]) that he is cursing?
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
jith - iii wrote:
Now,What should be the response for this mail.Considering his skill and experience its not difficult for him to get other offers.
Tell the HR exec to go pound salt. He's nuts. Would anybody want to work for an organization that relates to potential employees in such a manner?
Abu Mami wrote:
that relates to potential employees in such a manner
True. At least till the time the employee becomes a part of the (organizational) family, he should be treated on par a potential client. After joining, he is part of 'ONE' family, under the banner of the organization name. If at all such mundane things creep in, it just spells catastrophe on the healthy relationships and rapports in the organization and acts as a slow-poison to the growth of the organization itself.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
My friend has got an offer from one of the leading software firms of India. As his present company is not willing to relieve him immediately he asked the HR of the new company for some time to join. See below, Hi Raj(name changed), Sorry to tell you that i need two months time to join you because the project which i am currently dealing with is going through a critical implementation phase. So i cannot leave the present company without a two months notice.I humbly request you to look into the matter and do the needful. and the reply from the HR Executive was this. You are denying an offer of a brand name and therefore will be mark blacklisted in the ---- group & other associated companies. Think about yourself first otherwise you can not grow vertically and horizontally. My trust is alive on you and I would suggest you to do not spoil the relations. Your DOJ with the company will be 10th December, take it or leave it. waiting, Now,What should be the response for this mail.Considering his skill and experience its not difficult for him to get other offers.
Does this guy work for the company your friend wants to join or is he a third party being payed for recuriting your friend. If he is a recruiter tell him to get stuffed. He'll want his comission a week later rather than not at all. Your friend might also like to point out something along the lines of... I feel my willingness to do the right thing by my current employer is representative of a personal quality that Company X should find attrative in an employee. CC the email to the new companies customer service and ask them to forward it to their HR
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My friend has got an offer from one of the leading software firms of India. As his present company is not willing to relieve him immediately he asked the HR of the new company for some time to join. See below, Hi Raj(name changed), Sorry to tell you that i need two months time to join you because the project which i am currently dealing with is going through a critical implementation phase. So i cannot leave the present company without a two months notice.I humbly request you to look into the matter and do the needful. and the reply from the HR Executive was this. You are denying an offer of a brand name and therefore will be mark blacklisted in the ---- group & other associated companies. Think about yourself first otherwise you can not grow vertically and horizontally. My trust is alive on you and I would suggest you to do not spoil the relations. Your DOJ with the company will be 10th December, take it or leave it. waiting, Now,What should be the response for this mail.Considering his skill and experience its not difficult for him to get other offers.
Sounds like the wrong place to work.
xacc.ide
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My friend has got an offer from one of the leading software firms of India. As his present company is not willing to relieve him immediately he asked the HR of the new company for some time to join. See below, Hi Raj(name changed), Sorry to tell you that i need two months time to join you because the project which i am currently dealing with is going through a critical implementation phase. So i cannot leave the present company without a two months notice.I humbly request you to look into the matter and do the needful. and the reply from the HR Executive was this. You are denying an offer of a brand name and therefore will be mark blacklisted in the ---- group & other associated companies. Think about yourself first otherwise you can not grow vertically and horizontally. My trust is alive on you and I would suggest you to do not spoil the relations. Your DOJ with the company will be 10th December, take it or leave it. waiting, Now,What should be the response for this mail.Considering his skill and experience its not difficult for him to get other offers.
Simply don't reply, I know I wouldn't. I find it rather offensive and out of proportion to blacklist someone that is loyal and stands for his own integrity. If the market is as good as here in the Netherlands, he will sure find another company to work for.
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My friend has got an offer from one of the leading software firms of India. As his present company is not willing to relieve him immediately he asked the HR of the new company for some time to join. See below, Hi Raj(name changed), Sorry to tell you that i need two months time to join you because the project which i am currently dealing with is going through a critical implementation phase. So i cannot leave the present company without a two months notice.I humbly request you to look into the matter and do the needful. and the reply from the HR Executive was this. You are denying an offer of a brand name and therefore will be mark blacklisted in the ---- group & other associated companies. Think about yourself first otherwise you can not grow vertically and horizontally. My trust is alive on you and I would suggest you to do not spoil the relations. Your DOJ with the company will be 10th December, take it or leave it. waiting, Now,What should be the response for this mail.Considering his skill and experience its not difficult for him to get other offers.
Bizarre way to approach recruitment. In the UK it is, I believe, a criminal offence to 'blacklist' someone. Apart from any other consideration the blacklister would get sued.
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Does this guy work for the company your friend wants to join or is he a third party being payed for recuriting your friend. If he is a recruiter tell him to get stuffed. He'll want his comission a week later rather than not at all. Your friend might also like to point out something along the lines of... I feel my willingness to do the right thing by my current employer is representative of a personal quality that Company X should find attrative in an employee. CC the email to the new companies customer service and ask them to forward it to their HR
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Sounds like the wrong place to work.
xacc.ide
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The rule of three: "The first time you notice something that might repeat, don't generalize it. The second time the situation occurs, develop in a similar fashion -- possibly even copy/paste -- but don't generalize yet. On the third time, look to generalize the approach."Well,this company is one among the biggies in the software services industry. I have friends working in the same company and most of them are happy. So can we take this as an immature response from an individual HR and should we consider this type of offer.
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Bizarre way to approach recruitment. In the UK it is, I believe, a criminal offence to 'blacklist' someone. Apart from any other consideration the blacklister would get sued.
digital man wrote:
blacklist
He is using 'blacklist' to blackmail him. 'Blackmail' is a colloqial word meaning '
unwarranted threat'.Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
Well,this company is one among the biggies in the software services industry. I have friends working in the same company and most of them are happy. So can we take this as an immature response from an individual HR and should we consider this type of offer.
Tell him to contact the HR director to tell them how insulted he feels by this individual, and because of that person, the job prospect has been made unattractive. I am sure they will appreciate the feedback. If nothing comes from it, well then it cant be that good.
xacc.ide
IronScheme a R5RS-compliant Scheme on the DLR
The rule of three: "The first time you notice something that might repeat, don't generalize it. The second time the situation occurs, develop in a similar fashion -- possibly even copy/paste -- but don't generalize yet. On the third time, look to generalize the approach." -
digital man wrote:
blacklist
He is using 'blacklist' to blackmail him. 'Blackmail' is a colloqial word meaning '
unwarranted threat'.Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonI know exactly what he is saying. In the UK the term blacklist (whilst inherently a threat) means that you are placed an on exclusion list of some sort. The common usage of blackmail is to extort money from somebody under the threat of exposure of some secret or other. Why is everyone so damned pedantic? Get a life.
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My friend has got an offer from one of the leading software firms of India. As his present company is not willing to relieve him immediately he asked the HR of the new company for some time to join. See below, Hi Raj(name changed), Sorry to tell you that i need two months time to join you because the project which i am currently dealing with is going through a critical implementation phase. So i cannot leave the present company without a two months notice.I humbly request you to look into the matter and do the needful. and the reply from the HR Executive was this. You are denying an offer of a brand name and therefore will be mark blacklisted in the ---- group & other associated companies. Think about yourself first otherwise you can not grow vertically and horizontally. My trust is alive on you and I would suggest you to do not spoil the relations. Your DOJ with the company will be 10th December, take it or leave it. waiting, Now,What should be the response for this mail.Considering his skill and experience its not difficult for him to get other offers.
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jith - iii wrote:
and do the needful.
Excellent
jith - iii wrote:
you can not grow vertically and horizontally.
What does this mean ? The core message here is, they need him more than he needs them
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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