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  • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

    Has anyone tried installing them side by side? Are there any incompatibility issues? I specifically mean VS2005 professional and the VS2008 express editions.

    "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"

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    I have installed both side-by-side. I achieved 20% performance gain on my C++ program when recompiled with VC++ 2008. However, my mixed assembly (C++/CLI & C++) app runs 10x slower! Puzzles me.

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      I have. The immediate visible change is that Start -> Run -> devenv now launches 2008 instead of 2005. (The latest version takes control)

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      You can give the full path of devenv.exe in "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\MICROSOFT\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\devenv.exe” Ref: Tips : devenv.exe Problem

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      • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

        Has anyone tried installing them side by side? Are there any incompatibility issues? I specifically mean VS2005 professional and the VS2008 express editions.

        "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"

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        Declan Bright
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        I have VS2003, VS2005 and VS2008, all pro editions and all living happily together.

        Declan Bright www.declanbright.com

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          I have VS2003, VS2005 and VS2008, all pro editions and all living happily together.

          Declan Bright www.declanbright.com

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          Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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          Brilliant, thanks

          "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"

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            I have installed both side-by-side. I achieved 20% performance gain on my C++ program when recompiled with VC++ 2008. However, my mixed assembly (C++/CLI & C++) app runs 10x slower! Puzzles me.

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            Jorgen Sigvardsson
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            uus831 wrote:

            However, my mixed assembly (C++/CLI & C++) app runs 10x slower! Puzzles me.

            You're probably messing with the compiler's ability to optimize.

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              You can give the full path of devenv.exe in "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\MICROSOFT\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\devenv.exe” Ref: Tips : devenv.exe Problem

              Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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              Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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              Michael Sync wrote:

              You can give the full path of devenv.exe in "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\MICROSOFT\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\devenv.exe”

              Thanks for the tip. This is definitely useful since when we are to frequently use 2005, then we can toggle this path as appropriately.

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              • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

                Michael Sync wrote:

                You can give the full path of devenv.exe in "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\MICROSOFT\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\devenv.exe”

                Thanks for the tip. This is definitely useful since when we are to frequently use 2005, then we can toggle this path as appropriately.

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                Pete OHanlon
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                Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:

                This is definitely useful since when we are to frequently use 2005, then we can toggle this path as appropriately

                Why? So far I've encountered no problems with VS2008 Multi targetting. All of our 2005 projects compile in the same way in 2008.

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                  why every time Ms releases a new version of Visual Studio or Office, that question of cohabitation comes back ?


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                  Because if you build commercial software, any change to your development environment disrupts the stability of the product you are building. Windows applications that supposedly live side-by-side all too often trample each other's registry settings, file associations, temporary file usage, and so on. All too often the reply from the software author in this case is either a blank stare, or at best "Oops. Sorry about that." To their credit, I've not had problems with running various versions of Visual Studio next to each other. That said, it's still reasonable to ask the question each time they release a new version.


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                    I have VS2003, VS2005 and VS2008, all pro editions and all living happily together.

                    Declan Bright www.declanbright.com

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                    Gary Wheeler
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                    Thanks, Declan. We have been 'stuck' with using VS2003/SP1 for some time now. We're about to start a major new development effort, and I have been pushing the idea of switching directly to VS2008. I would like to install VS2005 and VS2008 on my development box and give them a try before we decide which version to buy another dozen seats for the other guys in my group.


                    Software Zen: delete this;

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                    • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                      Has anyone tried installing them side by side? Are there any incompatibility issues? I specifically mean VS2005 professional and the VS2008 express editions.

                      "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"

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                      GrinderDev
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                      No problems on my end. Make sure you don't open and convert any solutions files that you still plan on using in 2005. :suss:

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                      • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                        Has anyone tried installing them side by side? Are there any incompatibility issues? I specifically mean VS2005 professional and the VS2008 express editions.

                        "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"

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                        Paul Conrad
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                        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                        Has anyone tried installing them side by side? Are there any incompatibility issues? I specifically mean VS2005 professional and the VS2008 express editions.

                        Yes, I have and no problem at all. Only issue I have had is that the components will not drag from the toolbox onto grids ( I suspect this has to do with the machine and not the version of VS being together). The drag-n-drop issue seems to be something I cannot reproduce on my other machines, though.

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                          why every time Ms releases a new version of Visual Studio or Office, that question of cohabitation comes back ?


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                          toxcct wrote:

                          why every time Ms releases a new version of Visual Studio or Office, that question of cohabitation comes back ?

                          Maybe people are hesitant in finding out if there are any issues. This is what I use virtual machines for :->

                          "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon

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                            Because there does exist a problem of cohabitation. On top of that, though nothing would actually happen to my code, I would really hate to sit there for a few hours twiddling my thumbs, waiting for VS205 [currently] to reinstall. So I'd rather play it safe :)

                            "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"

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                            Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                            there does exist a problem of cohabitation

                            Like what?

                            "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon

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                              Because if you build commercial software, any change to your development environment disrupts the stability of the product you are building. Windows applications that supposedly live side-by-side all too often trample each other's registry settings, file associations, temporary file usage, and so on. All too often the reply from the software author in this case is either a blank stare, or at best "Oops. Sorry about that." To their credit, I've not had problems with running various versions of Visual Studio next to each other. That said, it's still reasonable to ask the question each time they release a new version.


                              Software Zen: delete this;

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                              Paul Conrad
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                              Gary Wheeler wrote:

                              All too often the reply from the software author in this case is either a blank stare, or at best "Oops. Sorry about that."

                              :laugh::laugh::laugh: I'd hate to see/hear that from someone writing a life-and-death mission critical app :)

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                                toxcct wrote:

                                why every time Ms releases a new version of Visual Studio or Office, that question of cohabitation comes back ?

                                Maybe people are hesitant in finding out if there are any issues. This is what I use virtual machines for :->

                                "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon

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                                exactly, VMWare rocks :cool:


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                                  exactly, VMWare rocks :cool:


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                                  Paul Conrad
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                                  toxcct wrote:

                                  VMWare rocks

                                  Sure does, and that reminds me to go and buy a memory upgrade for my laptop next week ( a birthday present to me from me :-D ). I only have 512mb in it right now, and have room to go with a 1gb module to increase it to 1.5gb...

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                                    I have installed both side-by-side. I achieved 20% performance gain on my C++ program when recompiled with VC++ 2008. However, my mixed assembly (C++/CLI & C++) app runs 10x slower! Puzzles me.

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                                    You're being punished for straying from the one true path that is managed code.

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                                      Gary Wheeler wrote:

                                      All too often the reply from the software author in this case is either a blank stare, or at best "Oops. Sorry about that."

                                      :laugh::laugh::laugh: I'd hate to see/hear that from someone writing a life-and-death mission critical app :)

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                                      Gary Wheeler
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                                      The problem is, the guys writing the compilers and development environments aren't building mission-critical applications. It's like they're making a wrench used to build the Space Shuttle, and every so often one comes off the assembly line made out of styrofoam.


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                                        Thanks, Declan. We have been 'stuck' with using VS2003/SP1 for some time now. We're about to start a major new development effort, and I have been pushing the idea of switching directly to VS2008. I would like to install VS2005 and VS2008 on my development box and give them a try before we decide which version to buy another dozen seats for the other guys in my group.


                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        Declan Bright
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                                        You should definitely go for VS2008, one big plus is that you can compile against .Net 2.0 and above so if you don't want to run .Net 3.5 in a production environment yet, you can just build .Net 2.0 apps for the moment.

                                        Declan Bright www.declanbright.com

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                                        • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                                          Has anyone tried installing them side by side? Are there any incompatibility issues? I specifically mean VS2005 professional and the VS2008 express editions.

                                          "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"

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                                          Sathesh Sakthivel
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                                          I too have VS2003, VS2005 and VS2008, all pro editions and all living happily together. No problem occured so far for me.

                                          SSK. Anyone who says sunshine brings happiness has never danced in the rain.

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