Parent's question
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Although if you're not parents, you can still post your opinions. Today, in the UK, it was anounced that contraceptives were to be given out free to schoolchildren in an effort to reduce teenage pregnancy. I'm the father of a beautiful (biased opinion) six year old girl, so I have a few years before I need to worry about this problem, but... If you had a young girl and despite all your little chats, lectures and everything else, your 'little' girl comes home one day and says 'I'm Pregnant' What would you do? Would you support her, whether she decided to have the baby, or a termination. Would you persuade her to have/terminate the baby in line with *your* wishes, kick her out of the house or what? Paresh Solanki "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." Scott Adams (Dilbert cartoonist)
I am not a parent... althoug maybe I will be someday. I do sometimes think about parenting issues even though that's a long way off at this point. If I had a teenage daughter who one day came home and said "I'm pregnant", I would not kick her out of the house. She would have the baby - I would not sign any parental consent forms necessary for an abortion (I think we have those here... but I'm not sure...) After that, I would let her decide if she wants to keep the baby and raise it herself, or if she wants to give it up for adoption. I'd make sure all the practical things get done... like making sure she gets screend for STD's, AIDS, etc., and find out who the father is. Then, she'd get a long, loud lecture about having sex unmarried and at that age!! I would stress that the problem was having sex, not getting pregnant (getting "caught".) Even the best forms of birth control are not 100% failsafe. Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Although if you're not parents, you can still post your opinions. Today, in the UK, it was anounced that contraceptives were to be given out free to schoolchildren in an effort to reduce teenage pregnancy. I'm the father of a beautiful (biased opinion) six year old girl, so I have a few years before I need to worry about this problem, but... If you had a young girl and despite all your little chats, lectures and everything else, your 'little' girl comes home one day and says 'I'm Pregnant' What would you do? Would you support her, whether she decided to have the baby, or a termination. Would you persuade her to have/terminate the baby in line with *your* wishes, kick her out of the house or what? Paresh Solanki "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." Scott Adams (Dilbert cartoonist)
I think I would be quite upset, and I'd do everything possible to persuade her to terminate the pregnancy. However, I would definetely support her decision, with the hope that the experience would also make her a more mature and responsible person. Regards, Alvaro Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein
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thats something I was wondering about, you are tought this in Y6 (last year of primary school) and you go over it again in the 1st year of secondary school, and again as part of the GCSE, you taught even more, mostly about the feamale annatomy, which is a bit strange for me, as being in an all boys school, i no more about women, than i do about myself.
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Nnamdi Onyeyiri wrote: i no more about women, than i do about myself. Then, the next time you take a whiz - look down! ;P Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
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Although if you're not parents, you can still post your opinions. Today, in the UK, it was anounced that contraceptives were to be given out free to schoolchildren in an effort to reduce teenage pregnancy. I'm the father of a beautiful (biased opinion) six year old girl, so I have a few years before I need to worry about this problem, but... If you had a young girl and despite all your little chats, lectures and everything else, your 'little' girl comes home one day and says 'I'm Pregnant' What would you do? Would you support her, whether she decided to have the baby, or a termination. Would you persuade her to have/terminate the baby in line with *your* wishes, kick her out of the house or what? Paresh Solanki "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." Scott Adams (Dilbert cartoonist)
I am the father of many children. Two I created. Two I addopted. Countless foster children of all ages over the past 16 years. I have struggled with this question. I have watched people struggle with this question. I have watched as 15 year olds gave up babies. Some have changed their minds and greatly dissapointed adoptive parents. I've seen parents change their minds at the last minute and agree to keep the baby. Some adopt, some don't. Many of these people thought that if they "raise their kid right" they would never have to worry about this. They were wrong. I hope that I have raised my kids right, but that doesn't rule out things like date rape, etc... So the short answer is, I don't know. If it ever happened, I'd keep an open mind up to the day of the childs birth. Brad Manske
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Although if you're not parents, you can still post your opinions. Today, in the UK, it was anounced that contraceptives were to be given out free to schoolchildren in an effort to reduce teenage pregnancy. I'm the father of a beautiful (biased opinion) six year old girl, so I have a few years before I need to worry about this problem, but... If you had a young girl and despite all your little chats, lectures and everything else, your 'little' girl comes home one day and says 'I'm Pregnant' What would you do? Would you support her, whether she decided to have the baby, or a termination. Would you persuade her to have/terminate the baby in line with *your* wishes, kick her out of the house or what? Paresh Solanki "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." Scott Adams (Dilbert cartoonist)
I am a parent and have a 17 year old daughter. First I would support her no matter what. As for my personal opinion this gets into my religious views very quickly but must come secondary to my unconditional love and support for her. I believe that taking a life of an fetus is killing a person. I am not against the death penalty. Or there are cases where taking a life is best for society and you must evaluate is this action justified. I also own a shotgun and several combat knives and I let all of her boy friends know this. The gun is cleaned much more often than used, but they do not know that. Also the sound of a stone on the knife blade is very effective. To be conscious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step towards Knowledge. Benjamin Disraeli
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I think I would be quite upset, and I'd do everything possible to persuade her to terminate the pregnancy. However, I would definetely support her decision, with the hope that the experience would also make her a more mature and responsible person. Regards, Alvaro Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein
Alvaro Mendez wrote: I'd do everything possible to persuade her to terminate the pregnancy. Alvaro Mendez wrote: with the hope that the experience would also make her a more mature and responsible person. How would you expect your daughter to turn out responsible when she has her dad trying to convince her that she should terminate an unborn baby out of convenience? -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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:-) Ok lets get one thing straight. My 4 and 1/2 yr old daughter is more beautiful then yours. :-) My wife and I have discussed this and continue to have disagreements on it. I want to tell my kids now that such behavior is unacceptable and they will be kicked out of home straight onto the streets if this ever happens. Also I wish us to maintain a very strong pretense of this. But in reality, I'd probably want her to have the kid and accept it into our family possibly as our own. I want my kids to believe that hetro-sexual marriage is normal and divorce and homosexuality is not normal. However also that it is wrong to discriminate on those that are not what we term "normal". Regardz Colin J Davies
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From what I have heard from homosexual friends, and friends who know homosexuals, homosexuality is not a conscious choice. Rather, it is just the way they are. Someone wrote something once that went something like follows: "Why would I choose to be discriminated against, made fun of, and be regarded with disgust? Homosexuality was not a choice for me." Basically, my point is that you can tell them homosexuality is not normal, but if they are already homosexual, I don't think it will help them change.
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From what I have heard from homosexual friends, and friends who know homosexuals, homosexuality is not a conscious choice. Rather, it is just the way they are. Someone wrote something once that went something like follows: "Why would I choose to be discriminated against, made fun of, and be regarded with disgust? Homosexuality was not a choice for me." Basically, my point is that you can tell them homosexuality is not normal, but if they are already homosexual, I don't think it will help them change.
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From what I have heard from homosexual friends, and friends who know homosexuals, homosexuality is not a conscious choice. Rather, it is just the way they are. Someone wrote something once that went something like follows: "Why would I choose to be discriminated against, made fun of, and be regarded with disgust? Homosexuality was not a choice for me." Basically, my point is that you can tell them homosexuality is not normal, but if they are already homosexual, I don't think it will help them change.
Bao Nguyen wrote: Basically, my point is that you can tell them homosexuality is not normal, but if they are already homosexual, I don't think it will help them change. I would agree with this to a point. I think lesbianism in particular is very trendy nowadays, I certainly see womens magazines pushing the issue, and we all know the women who read them mostly have a pack mentality. So I believe that some people of both sexes get an incorrect dosage of hormones in the womb and find themselves homosexual, but girls in particular are likely to experiment for more social than hormonal reasons. Having said that, I'm with Colin. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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My daughter is 2 months old, and I am simply unable to think of her as a teenager. But when she becomes one, I don't think she'll ask me what to do with her life :rolleyes: I vote pro drink :beer:
At this point, you don't want to CONSIDER some sweaty guy pawing her, at any age and in any circumstance. Am I right ? Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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Although if you're not parents, you can still post your opinions. Today, in the UK, it was anounced that contraceptives were to be given out free to schoolchildren in an effort to reduce teenage pregnancy. I'm the father of a beautiful (biased opinion) six year old girl, so I have a few years before I need to worry about this problem, but... If you had a young girl and despite all your little chats, lectures and everything else, your 'little' girl comes home one day and says 'I'm Pregnant' What would you do? Would you support her, whether she decided to have the baby, or a termination. Would you persuade her to have/terminate the baby in line with *your* wishes, kick her out of the house or what? Paresh Solanki "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." Scott Adams (Dilbert cartoonist)
My daughter is six. I am raising her to understand that the better way to live your life is to abstain from sex before marriage. I am also raising her to know that she can talk to me ( or, more probably, her mother, in terms of what will make her comfortable at 16 ) about *anything*. So I'd say I am raising her to know that I expect her to have a particular moral standard, and the degree to which I would be disappointed to find out she was sexually active at a school age, regardless of her being pregnant. However, if that happened, I doubt I could do anything but support her. I don't think it's physically possible for me to turn her away. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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At this point, you don't want to CONSIDER some sweaty guy pawing her, at any age and in any circumstance. Am I right ? Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
Christian Graus wrote: At this point, you don't want to CONSIDER some sweaty guy pawing her, at any age and in any circumstance. Am I right ? It is going to happen unfortunatly. Most people loose their virginity at 16. Some are even younger sorry to say. I think the media has alot to do with it, as well as schools who promote this kind of thing with our tax dollars by giving out condoms. I think there is a general consensous that most children loose their virginity around the same age as their parents did. That is why there are generations of 16 year old moms.
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I am a parent and have a 17 year old daughter. First I would support her no matter what. As for my personal opinion this gets into my religious views very quickly but must come secondary to my unconditional love and support for her. I believe that taking a life of an fetus is killing a person. I am not against the death penalty. Or there are cases where taking a life is best for society and you must evaluate is this action justified. I also own a shotgun and several combat knives and I let all of her boy friends know this. The gun is cleaned much more often than used, but they do not know that. Also the sound of a stone on the knife blade is very effective. To be conscious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step towards Knowledge. Benjamin Disraeli
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: I also own a shotgun and several combat knives and I let all of her boy friends know this. ROTFL !!! You sound like my kind of dad.... Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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IMHO as a 15 year old, if you raise ur daughter in the right way, you need not worry about this.
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Spot the guy with no kids. I think you're right that a big problem today is bad or no parenting. But I do not believe there is ANYTHING I can do which will FORCE my child to live a certain way. All I can do is better arm her and hope that she uses that to help her make good choices. Then again, do you remember how hormonal you were at 15 ? Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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thats something I was wondering about, you are tought this in Y6 (last year of primary school) and you go over it again in the 1st year of secondary school, and again as part of the GCSE, you taught even more, mostly about the feamale annatomy, which is a bit strange for me, as being in an all boys school, i no more about women, than i do about myself.
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My daughter got her first lot in kindergarten, although it was lacking in detail. She believes girls have a veg and boys have a pimple. Donna once told her where babies come out, and she replied 'mum, don't be so stupid'. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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Christian Graus wrote: At this point, you don't want to CONSIDER some sweaty guy pawing her, at any age and in any circumstance. Am I right ? It is going to happen unfortunatly. Most people loose their virginity at 16. Some are even younger sorry to say. I think the media has alot to do with it, as well as schools who promote this kind of thing with our tax dollars by giving out condoms. I think there is a general consensous that most children loose their virginity around the same age as their parents did. That is why there are generations of 16 year old moms.
Martin Marvinski wrote: I think there is a general consensous that most children loose their virginity around the same age as their parents did. I was a month shy of 21. Martin Marvinski wrote: as well as schools who promote this kind of thing with our tax dollars by giving out condoms. I think the condom idea is dumb. It's one step removed from the problem - people caring enough to put some time into their kids. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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Martin Marvinski wrote: I think there is a general consensous that most children loose their virginity around the same age as their parents did. I was a month shy of 21. Martin Marvinski wrote: as well as schools who promote this kind of thing with our tax dollars by giving out condoms. I think the condom idea is dumb. It's one step removed from the problem - people caring enough to put some time into their kids. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
Christian Graus wrote: I think the condom idea is dumb. It's one step removed from the problem - people caring enough to put some time into their kids. I'm afraid to have kids. If you turn on the TV, everything is almost pornographic. In the 1950's and 60's shows like "I love Lucy" had strict standards about what viewers were allowed to see. Lucy and her husband had seperate beds, and there was none of this over sexuality. The school system is just horrible. The stuff I learned in health class was appalling. They showed us how to put on condoms using very graphic drawings, and mind you that we were only around 14 and 15 years old. If I ever have childern, I will send them to a private school most definatly. I just don't know what those liberal kooks are doing anymore. What we were taught in High School was that everything is OK. What ever floats your boat. If you want to be gay, thats fine. Have sex with multiple partners, just use condoms! Kids will always do what they want was their logic. I think we need more conservatives in education.
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Spot the guy with no kids. I think you're right that a big problem today is bad or no parenting. But I do not believe there is ANYTHING I can do which will FORCE my child to live a certain way. All I can do is better arm her and hope that she uses that to help her make good choices. Then again, do you remember how hormonal you were at 15 ? Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
Christian Graus wrote: Then again, do you remember how hormonal you were at 15 ? I think it is different with guys. Nature forces guys to have nocternal emissions, masturb*te, or have s*x. I think most girls are pressured into it by rude guys who are just after one thing. Most girls could resist in the past because society taught them that their virignity was special. Nowadays, teachers are saying that it isn't special, and they should give in if they wear a condom.
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Christian Graus wrote: I think the condom idea is dumb. It's one step removed from the problem - people caring enough to put some time into their kids. I'm afraid to have kids. If you turn on the TV, everything is almost pornographic. In the 1950's and 60's shows like "I love Lucy" had strict standards about what viewers were allowed to see. Lucy and her husband had seperate beds, and there was none of this over sexuality. The school system is just horrible. The stuff I learned in health class was appalling. They showed us how to put on condoms using very graphic drawings, and mind you that we were only around 14 and 15 years old. If I ever have childern, I will send them to a private school most definatly. I just don't know what those liberal kooks are doing anymore. What we were taught in High School was that everything is OK. What ever floats your boat. If you want to be gay, thats fine. Have sex with multiple partners, just use condoms! Kids will always do what they want was their logic. I think we need more conservatives in education.
To be honest, my philosophy is that school is a reflection on the world, so why shelter them ? Better to teach them what is right and also how to live in a world that is wrong than try to hide them from it. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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To be honest, my philosophy is that school is a reflection on the world, so why shelter them ? Better to teach them what is right and also how to live in a world that is wrong than try to hide them from it. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
Christian Graus wrote: To be honest, my philosophy is that school is a reflection on the world, so why shelter them ? Better to teach them what is right and also how to live in a world that is wrong than try to hide them from it. Criminals, and prostitutes are also part of the world, but would you take your child to the worst part of the neighborhood for them to see it? There are plenty of gated communities and areas where like minded people with morals live and work. The world is not just the lowest common denominator.