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  • N NormDroid

    What's C++ again? :) , it's going to be tough times ahead for C++, it's definitely goning to become a niche language like ASM.

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    Kevin McFarlane
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    It will be a pretty big niche though.

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    • N NormDroid

      What's C++ again? :) , it's going to be tough times ahead for C++, it's definitely goning to become a niche language like ASM.

      WPF - Imagineers Wanted Follow your nose using DoubleAnimationUsingPath

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      El Corazon
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      norm .net wrote:

      it's going to be tough times ahead for C++, it's definitely goning to become a niche language like ASM

      Always in motion is the future. - Yoda.

      _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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      • N NormDroid

        What's C++ again? :) , it's going to be tough times ahead for C++, it's definitely goning to become a niche language like ASM.

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        "When I find a niche I scratch it." -- Lou Costello

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        • K Kevin McFarlane

          VC++ Team Blog[^] > IMHO, Microsoft did a great job in improving the > C++ compiler since VC6 age. I don't like very much > the VC6 C++ compiler, but I do love the VC6 IDE! You and everyone else on the planet, as far as I can tell! :-) The IDE team has definitely gotten your feedback, and they're working hard to make VC10's IDE better. We recently got T-shirts with the slogan "10 is the new 6", heh.

          Kevin

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          bob16972
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          Wow, it took them 10 years to figure out that a large portion of us liked the VC++ 6.0 IDE. So are they telling us to ignore VC++ 2008 and wait for version 10? :rolleyes:

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          • K Kevin McFarlane

            VC++ Team Blog[^] > IMHO, Microsoft did a great job in improving the > C++ compiler since VC6 age. I don't like very much > the VC6 C++ compiler, but I do love the VC6 IDE! You and everyone else on the planet, as far as I can tell! :-) The IDE team has definitely gotten your feedback, and they're working hard to make VC10's IDE better. We recently got T-shirts with the slogan "10 is the new 6", heh.

            Kevin

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            Pete OHanlon
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            Kevin McFarlane wrote:

            We recently got T-shirts with the slogan "10 is the new 6",

            Well that's all right then. They've got T-shirts. It's just a shame that their maths library is a bit iffy. I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system. Hmmm. This is MS after all, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had.

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              Kevin McFarlane wrote:

              We recently got T-shirts with the slogan "10 is the new 6",

              Well that's all right then. They've got T-shirts. It's just a shame that their maths library is a bit iffy. I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system. Hmmm. This is MS after all, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had.

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              Personally I loved the comment and the way the MS employee has corrected most assumptions out there on how big and powerful TR1 really is... It was: "(WinForms must be the slowest GUI dialogs known to mankind!)" Gee, wait till they see proliferation of WPF apps and get a kick.net (the one that nails it for me personally is: "Unlike other languages, C++ prefers to provide powerful support in the core language for library implementation, instead of providing such functionality directly in the core language. This contributes to C++'s extreme flexibility and generality.". A bliss!)

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              • N NormDroid

                What's C++ again? :) , it's going to be tough times ahead for C++, it's definitely goning to become a niche language like ASM.

                WPF - Imagineers Wanted Follow your nose using DoubleAnimationUsingPath

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                norm .net wrote:

                definitely goning to become a niche language like

                You've misspelled rich. :)

                Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]

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                • P Pete OHanlon

                  Kevin McFarlane wrote:

                  We recently got T-shirts with the slogan "10 is the new 6",

                  Well that's all right then. They've got T-shirts. It's just a shame that their maths library is a bit iffy. I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system. Hmmm. This is MS after all, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had.

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                  El Corazon
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                  Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                  I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system

                  Base 6: 10base6==6base10

                  _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                    Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                    I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system

                    Base 6: 10base6==6base10

                    _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                    I'm glad you got that base covered for us. :)

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                    • K Kevin McFarlane

                      It will be a pretty big niche though.

                      Kevin

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                      NormDroid
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                      It's happening, C++ is the minority report.

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                      • C Chris Meech

                        norm .net wrote:

                        definitely goning to become a niche language like

                        You've misspelled rich. :)

                        Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]

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                        LOL! c# and plenty of OS knowledge bangs $120,000 at your door ;)

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                          I'm glad you got that base covered for us. :)

                          Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]

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                          El Corazon
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                          Chris Meech wrote:

                          I'm glad you got that base covered for us.

                          Not me.... All our Bases belong to MS. [ducks and runs]

                          _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                          • P PIEBALDconsult

                            "When I find a niche I scratch it." -- Lou Costello

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                            NormDroid
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                            Start scratching, and fast :)

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                            • N NormDroid

                              LOL! c# and plenty of OS knowledge bangs $120,000 at your door ;)

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                              norm .net wrote:

                              LOL! c# and plenty of OS knowledge bangs $120,000 at your door

                              I'll see your and raise 38k

                              _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                              • E El Corazon

                                Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system

                                Base 6: 10base6==6base10

                                _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                                Funny looking back 30 years ago, we learnt bases at school, only when started learning CS Classes it all became apparent.

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                                • E El Corazon

                                  norm .net wrote:

                                  LOL! c# and plenty of OS knowledge bangs $120,000 at your door

                                  I'll see your and raise 38k

                                  _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                                  OK, that's the limit, but considering C++ was the... lets say to caviar of languages (I've done a 12+ year stint), C# is more a delicate taste, well niche is good and when the golden years are dawning on me, I'll be commanding a rich salary for C++/MFC/Win32/ATL and of course COM!!!

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                                    OK, that's the limit, but considering C++ was the... lets say to caviar of languages (I've done a 12+ year stint), C# is more a delicate taste, well niche is good and when the golden years are dawning on me, I'll be commanding a rich salary for C++/MFC/Win32/ATL and of course COM!!!

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                                    C++ will change just as C# has. It already is doing so. With new features being rolled in and people already using many of them the language is still growing. There are still those who desire speed over allowing everyone to see your code. Especially those with something of a security concern. Not that anyone's employer's around here actually care about that... ;) "managed" code has its pros and cons, and some of those pros to one person are a con to another. There are some things I would not be allowed to write in C#, end of story even if I wanted. It wouldn't be a preference either, it would be security concern in which case the choice is not mine to make. Next year will be interesting... with two 90K plus income streams active.... Hey, I don't mind, everyone else can go to C#. I don't mind at all now. Leaves more $ for me. So please, please, stay in C#. In fact, I encourage everyone now to go to C# here. I don't mind in the least.

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                                    • N NormDroid

                                      OK, that's the limit, but considering C++ was the... lets say to caviar of languages (I've done a 12+ year stint), C# is more a delicate taste, well niche is good and when the golden years are dawning on me, I'll be commanding a rich salary for C++/MFC/Win32/ATL and of course COM!!!

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                                      Dalek Dave
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                                      How many lines of COBOL are being written every day? How many NEW COBOL programmers are there? One day there will be old systems and no developers! Same will happen with C++ and C# Soon we will just talk to our computers, like Orac! :)

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                                        C++ will change just as C# has. It already is doing so. With new features being rolled in and people already using many of them the language is still growing. There are still those who desire speed over allowing everyone to see your code. Especially those with something of a security concern. Not that anyone's employer's around here actually care about that... ;) "managed" code has its pros and cons, and some of those pros to one person are a con to another. There are some things I would not be allowed to write in C#, end of story even if I wanted. It wouldn't be a preference either, it would be security concern in which case the choice is not mine to make. Next year will be interesting... with two 90K plus income streams active.... Hey, I don't mind, everyone else can go to C#. I don't mind at all now. Leaves more $ for me. So please, please, stay in C#. In fact, I encourage everyone now to go to C# here. I don't mind in the least.

                                        _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                                        Mark Salsbery
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                                        El Corazon wrote:

                                        I encourage everyone now to go to C# here.

                                        No.

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                                        • K Kevin McFarlane

                                          VC++ Team Blog[^] > IMHO, Microsoft did a great job in improving the > C++ compiler since VC6 age. I don't like very much > the VC6 C++ compiler, but I do love the VC6 IDE! You and everyone else on the planet, as far as I can tell! :-) The IDE team has definitely gotten your feedback, and they're working hard to make VC10's IDE better. We recently got T-shirts with the slogan "10 is the new 6", heh.

                                          Kevin

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                                          Member 96
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                                          Man I'm glad I'm not in the position that Microsoft is of having to write software to please people with such a death grip on the past. ;)


                                          When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.

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