New Hope for VC++ Devs
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VC++ Team Blog[^] > IMHO, Microsoft did a great job in improving the > C++ compiler since VC6 age. I don't like very much > the VC6 C++ compiler, but I do love the VC6 IDE! You and everyone else on the planet, as far as I can tell! :-) The IDE team has definitely gotten your feedback, and they're working hard to make VC10's IDE better. We recently got T-shirts with the slogan "10 is the new 6", heh.
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
We recently got T-shirts with the slogan "10 is the new 6",
Well that's all right then. They've got T-shirts. It's just a shame that their maths library is a bit iffy. I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system. Hmmm. This is MS after all, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
We recently got T-shirts with the slogan "10 is the new 6",
Well that's all right then. They've got T-shirts. It's just a shame that their maths library is a bit iffy. I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system. Hmmm. This is MS after all, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Personally I loved the comment and the way the MS employee has corrected most assumptions out there on how big and powerful TR1 really is... It was: "(WinForms must be the slowest GUI dialogs known to mankind!)" Gee, wait till they see proliferation of WPF apps and get a kick.net (the one that nails it for me personally is: "Unlike other languages, C++ prefers to provide powerful support in the core language for library implementation, instead of providing such functionality directly in the core language. This contributes to C++'s extreme flexibility and generality.". A bliss!)
modified on Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:37:27 PM
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What's C++ again? :) , it's going to be tough times ahead for C++, it's definitely goning to become a niche language like ASM.
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norm .net wrote:
definitely goning to become a niche language like
You've misspelled rich. :)
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
We recently got T-shirts with the slogan "10 is the new 6",
Well that's all right then. They've got T-shirts. It's just a shame that their maths library is a bit iffy. I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system. Hmmm. This is MS after all, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system
Base 6: 10base6==6base10
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system
Base 6: 10base6==6base10
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I'm glad you got that base covered for us. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]
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It will be a pretty big niche though.
Kevin
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norm .net wrote:
definitely goning to become a niche language like
You've misspelled rich. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]
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I'm glad you got that base covered for us. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]
Chris Meech wrote:
I'm glad you got that base covered for us.
Not me.... All our Bases belong to MS. [ducks and runs]
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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"When I find a niche I scratch it." -- Lou Costello
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LOL! c# and plenty of OS knowledge bangs $120,000 at your door ;)
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norm .net wrote:
LOL! c# and plenty of OS knowledge bangs $120,000 at your door
I'll see your and raise 38k
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I hate to tell them that 10 is the new 6 only if you've invented a new numbering system
Base 6: 10base6==6base10
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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norm .net wrote:
LOL! c# and plenty of OS knowledge bangs $120,000 at your door
I'll see your and raise 38k
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
OK, that's the limit, but considering C++ was the... lets say to caviar of languages (I've done a 12+ year stint), C# is more a delicate taste, well niche is good and when the golden years are dawning on me, I'll be commanding a rich salary for C++/MFC/Win32/ATL and of course COM!!!
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OK, that's the limit, but considering C++ was the... lets say to caviar of languages (I've done a 12+ year stint), C# is more a delicate taste, well niche is good and when the golden years are dawning on me, I'll be commanding a rich salary for C++/MFC/Win32/ATL and of course COM!!!
WPF - Imagineers Wanted Follow your nose using DoubleAnimationUsingPath
C++ will change just as C# has. It already is doing so. With new features being rolled in and people already using many of them the language is still growing. There are still those who desire speed over allowing everyone to see your code. Especially those with something of a security concern. Not that anyone's employer's around here actually care about that... ;) "managed" code has its pros and cons, and some of those pros to one person are a con to another. There are some things I would not be allowed to write in C#, end of story even if I wanted. It wouldn't be a preference either, it would be security concern in which case the choice is not mine to make. Next year will be interesting... with two 90K plus income streams active.... Hey, I don't mind, everyone else can go to C#. I don't mind at all now. Leaves more $ for me. So please, please, stay in C#. In fact, I encourage everyone now to go to C# here. I don't mind in the least.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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OK, that's the limit, but considering C++ was the... lets say to caviar of languages (I've done a 12+ year stint), C# is more a delicate taste, well niche is good and when the golden years are dawning on me, I'll be commanding a rich salary for C++/MFC/Win32/ATL and of course COM!!!
WPF - Imagineers Wanted Follow your nose using DoubleAnimationUsingPath
How many lines of COBOL are being written every day? How many NEW COBOL programmers are there? One day there will be old systems and no developers! Same will happen with C++ and C# Soon we will just talk to our computers, like Orac! :)
------------------------------------ I try to appear cooler, by calling him Euler.
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C++ will change just as C# has. It already is doing so. With new features being rolled in and people already using many of them the language is still growing. There are still those who desire speed over allowing everyone to see your code. Especially those with something of a security concern. Not that anyone's employer's around here actually care about that... ;) "managed" code has its pros and cons, and some of those pros to one person are a con to another. There are some things I would not be allowed to write in C#, end of story even if I wanted. It wouldn't be a preference either, it would be security concern in which case the choice is not mine to make. Next year will be interesting... with two 90K plus income streams active.... Hey, I don't mind, everyone else can go to C#. I don't mind at all now. Leaves more $ for me. So please, please, stay in C#. In fact, I encourage everyone now to go to C# here. I don't mind in the least.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
I encourage everyone now to go to C# here.
No.
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
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VC++ Team Blog[^] > IMHO, Microsoft did a great job in improving the > C++ compiler since VC6 age. I don't like very much > the VC6 C++ compiler, but I do love the VC6 IDE! You and everyone else on the planet, as far as I can tell! :-) The IDE team has definitely gotten your feedback, and they're working hard to make VC10's IDE better. We recently got T-shirts with the slogan "10 is the new 6", heh.
Kevin
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What's C++ again? :) , it's going to be tough times ahead for C++, it's definitely goning to become a niche language like ASM.
WPF - Imagineers Wanted Follow your nose using DoubleAnimationUsingPath
Don't mind the low voters, they are people who were once wide eyed and optimistic, knew and understood and accepted that this business is built on change, then they became bitter and jaded and cling to the past like it's a life preserver in open waters.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
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Don't mind the low voters, they are people who were once wide eyed and optimistic, knew and understood and accepted that this business is built on change, then they became bitter and jaded and cling to the past like it's a life preserver in open waters.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
They are the sort that learnt BASIC on a ZX Spectrum or maybe a BBC and still program like that. Oh God... It's Me! Arrrrggghhh!!!!
------------------------------------ I try to appear cooler, by calling him Euler.
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C++ will change just as C# has. It already is doing so. With new features being rolled in and people already using many of them the language is still growing. There are still those who desire speed over allowing everyone to see your code. Especially those with something of a security concern. Not that anyone's employer's around here actually care about that... ;) "managed" code has its pros and cons, and some of those pros to one person are a con to another. There are some things I would not be allowed to write in C#, end of story even if I wanted. It wouldn't be a preference either, it would be security concern in which case the choice is not mine to make. Next year will be interesting... with two 90K plus income streams active.... Hey, I don't mind, everyone else can go to C#. I don't mind at all now. Leaves more $ for me. So please, please, stay in C#. In fact, I encourage everyone now to go to C# here. I don't mind in the least.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
There are some things I would not be allowed to write in C#, end of story even if I wanted. It wouldn't be a preference either, it would be security concern
:rolleyes: Security through obscurity is no security at all. You know as well as most of us more ... experienced.. developers here that reverse engineering any executable ever created ranges from a snap for most to mildly difficult for even those that actively try to protect against it. Though I'm sure it's not your policy so you probably roll your eyes internally as well. :)
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
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They are the sort that learnt BASIC on a ZX Spectrum or maybe a BBC and still program like that. Oh God... It's Me! Arrrrggghhh!!!!
------------------------------------ I try to appear cooler, by calling him Euler.
My first language was 6809 assembly then basic on a Commodore SuperPet and I'm sure there are others that go back much further but in general great developers know enough to use the best tool for the job and 90% of the time that tool is no longer c++ but let them eat moldy old potatoes I say, I'll eat whatever the cake du jour is. :)
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.