There is no such thing as time
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Speaking of physics... I've come the idea (probably not original, but I never read the works of the great or not so great philosophers), that time is merely a subjective concept created by the human brain to relate to state changes. There is no such thing as time, rather, the universe simply undergoes a continuous set of state changes as a result of forces being applied. Time is something we create to describe the relationship of those different states according to some, undefined, master reference. The master reference isn't time, it's a metastate change, much like your CPU is driven by the state changes in the oscillator. :) Marc
You all sure are wasting alot of "time" discussing this :)
Happy programming!
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In this dimension time does exist, it is cyclical, so seasons change, animals age, plants wither, dinaursaus become extinct, sun rises and sets, project life cycle etc. all these are relative to time. However only in this dimension. Therefore you can only prove time does not exist or even suggest this, from within a dimension that has no notion of time eg Heaven. :-D
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first u have to give some proof that another dimesions exist at all, u see, this is the place when ppl mix maths and physics, maths can make anything you want to, your only limit will be your imagination and of course maths itself, but physics arent maths u cant just cruch some numbers are tell everyone that this or that exist just because your maths say so, u will have to prove it and if you try and fail your maths could still be right, so no dimesions please, keep your feet on earth regards jan
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If you try to explain that time doesn't exist and you have to use the words "time is.." to explain that idea, then stop right there. That's a dead give away that you are wrong.
"Half this game is ninety percent mental." - Yogi Berra If you can read thank a teacher, if you can read in English, thank a Marine.
Brent Lamborn wrote:
If you try to explain that time doesn't exist and you have to use the words "time is.." to explain that idea, then stop right there. That's a dead give away that you are wrong.
Oh good. Proof that heaven exists because I have word for it. :) Marc
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You all sure are wasting alot of "time" discussing this :)
Happy programming!
AspDotNetDvlpr wrote:
You all sure are wasting alot of "time" discussing this
hehe. It sure is a conversation starter! Next time I'm with a group of drunk physicists and philosophers, I'll know what to bring up. :-D Marc
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ricmil42 wrote:
To stop everything from happening at once.
No THAT is the best counterargument to my theory that I've heard so far. :-D Marc
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Brent Lamborn wrote:
If you try to explain that time doesn't exist and you have to use the words "time is.." to explain that idea, then stop right there. That's a dead give away that you are wrong.
Oh good. Proof that heaven exists because I have word for it. :) Marc
Ok yeah. I only took one Metaphysics class in college. ;P But hey, if time didn't exists then how is it possible that we have real physical mechanical devices capable of consistently measuring time? If time is only a subjective concept then why does it always take me 40 mintues to get to work in the morning? Why does it never take 40 days? Anything that consistent must be real, no?
"Half this game is ninety percent mental." - Yogi Berra If you can read thank a teacher, if you can read in English, thank a Marine.
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Ok yeah. I only took one Metaphysics class in college. ;P But hey, if time didn't exists then how is it possible that we have real physical mechanical devices capable of consistently measuring time? If time is only a subjective concept then why does it always take me 40 mintues to get to work in the morning? Why does it never take 40 days? Anything that consistent must be real, no?
"Half this game is ninety percent mental." - Yogi Berra If you can read thank a teacher, if you can read in English, thank a Marine.
Brent Lamborn wrote:
Anything that consistent must be real, no?
Like the sun rising and setting consistently every day means that in reality the sun goes around the earth? :)
Brent Lamborn wrote:
if time didn't exists then how is it possible that we have real physical mechanical devices capable of consistently measuring time?
A good question that I haven't totally figured out yet--the big flaw in my theory, hahaha. But, in essence, any mechanical or electronic device is merely changing state by the forces applied on it. The fact that we perceive a clock ticking and call this the passage of time is our subjectivity coming into play, whereas in the objective realm, nothing has occurred except that the clock has changed state.
Brent Lamborn wrote:
If time is only a subjective concept then why does it always take me 40 mintues to get to work in the morning? Why does it never take 40 days?
Because all those forces that change your state from "at home" to "at work" are being applied consistently for the most part each time you make that state transition. So your subjective perception of that transition is nearly always "40 minutes". ;P Marc
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peterchen wrote:
my boss' wife has/had a note "time doesn't exist" stuck above her desk
There was a guy I went to school with who used to say "Time is something we (man) created to stop from going insane"
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
Time is just meant to avoid that everything happens at once...
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Speaking of physics... I've come the idea (probably not original, but I never read the works of the great or not so great philosophers), that time is merely a subjective concept created by the human brain to relate to state changes. There is no such thing as time, rather, the universe simply undergoes a continuous set of state changes as a result of forces being applied. Time is something we create to describe the relationship of those different states according to some, undefined, master reference. The master reference isn't time, it's a metastate change, much like your CPU is driven by the state changes in the oscillator. :) Marc
Absolutely true. Time is a convenient dogma, not a truth. It flies when you're having fun & it crawls when you're in mortal danger. Perhaps our dying moment lasts forever -- and THAT determines heaven or hell - your mood in that moment. You might notice that time flexes in direct correlation with your own perceptive flux if you take certain hallucinogens. But what use is there for such a line of inquiry? There's a great deal of sense in the convenient linear axis model, in terms of getting things done and being happy in life. If you're brave enough to re-write your own perceptual set from the foundations upwards, you might not be able to return to 'normal', and your family will probably miss you when you're in the clinic. Pearl Jam had a lyric about the downside of cold, hard truth: (a child) traded magic for fact - NO TRADEBACK. (I'm open , No Code)
'All there really is, is: virute and vice' ...Black Crowes
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Then why is time subject to relativistic effects?
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Time in any other frame of reference or name is a measurement. If you have any name we could use to group it, that would be cool. Don't we attach names to everything so we can I dentify what it is to our own classification? The only things that do not exist are those things which we cannot classify. I think that time is real, fluid and linear, we can classify it, wait until someone can actually change time, so far I heard it is only feasable to go forward in time, but who knows.
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Time in any other frame of reference or name is a measurement. If you have any name we could use to group it, that would be cool. Don't we attach names to everything so we can I dentify what it is to our own classification? The only things that do not exist are those things which we cannot classify. I think that time is real, fluid and linear, we can classify it, wait until someone can actually change time, so far I heard it is only feasable to go forward in time, but who knows.
That's what I'm thinking too. That's basically the foundation for science.
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Leslie Sanford wrote:
"State changes" exist within time.
Ah, that's where I disagree. State exists without time.
Leslie Sanford wrote:
We measure the rate of those changes also using human defined scales.
The measuring the rate of those changes is a purely subjective experience of state change, which we call "the passage of time". :) Marc
But since you can measure it, it exists. No matter what you'd like it to be (or not to be). I could use your arguments for space as well. I could just as well say that all distances is just a series of positions (an infinite amount for every distance - how do you like them apples?). Do you object to the notion of distance as well?
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i agree, theres not such a thing as time, u cant take time from some place and move it to another, u cannot stop time, u cannot make time go backwards, time is the name we have given to a concept, our way to measure how many events have happened between... other events. time is measured now using atomic clocks, some scientist discovered that some atomic nuclei undergo some changes periodically in a stable form, precision comes to mind, 10^-9 seconds per day... so imo, time, if it were to be inluded into any formula, it should be handled with care, because its a concept that never goes backward, cant be exchanged, cannot be stopped, simply flows whether u want, belive, or anything, its a shame the scientific community its swamped into relativistic bullshit, time dilation, the twin brothers paradox, seems to me that some human especimens still feel the need to hold into the chance of the magical or mystical man beeing a possibility, and dont start with the e=mc2 'magic' as some of us always knew that its the kinetic energy formula to which someone just exchanged velocity with the speed of light anyway, this is not easy matter (xD) and the web is full or controversial opinions and flames. take care, regards jan
Jan Rodriguez wrote:
because its a concept that never goes backward, cant be exchanged, cannot be stopped, simply flows whether u want, belive, or anything
Quantum physicists would disagree. Also, time is subject to relativity, just as space is, making it just as real as space.
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But since you can measure it, it exists. No matter what you'd like it to be (or not to be). I could use your arguments for space as well. I could just as well say that all distances is just a series of positions (an infinite amount for every distance - how do you like them apples?). Do you object to the notion of distance as well?
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I could just as well say that all distances is just a series of positions (an infinite amount for every distance - how do you like them apples?). Do you object to the notion of distance as well?
Actually, I was wondering about that very thing. :) Pretty soon I think I will decide that nothing exists. ;P Marc
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I could just as well say that all distances is just a series of positions (an infinite amount for every distance - how do you like them apples?). Do you object to the notion of distance as well?
Actually, I was wondering about that very thing. :) Pretty soon I think I will decide that nothing exists. ;P Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
Pretty soon I think I will decide that nothing exists.
:laugh: You know, right before I turned on my office computer, I was pondering this (you gave good food for thought!). I was very close to non-exist by the time my gmail notifier said "bling!" Saved by the bell! :-D
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Jan Rodriguez wrote:
because its a concept that never goes backward, cant be exchanged, cannot be stopped, simply flows whether u want, belive, or anything
Quantum physicists would disagree. Also, time is subject to relativity, just as space is, making it just as real as space.
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relativity is *just* a theory, nothing more, it dosnt even qualify as a real science, just believing something dosnt make it true, not to mention that your argument has no evidence to suport it, quantum? did they stop time? dont think so.
Ok, since you seem to be competing in the same league of ignorance as creationists (in terms of not being able to read, and pulling stuff out of your ass), I'm going to end this discussion right here, as it would just be a waste of time.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Ok, since you seem to be competing in the same league of ignorance as creationists (in terms of not being able to read, and pulling stuff out of your ass), I'm going to end this discussion right here, as it would just be a waste of time.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit