VC2008 Feature Pack rant
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Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Nothing's corrupted, the only issue is the installer was only for Pro and Team System, but they screwed something up and it doesn't correctly identify Team System. So I'm uninstalling Team System and am downloading Pro from MSDN to check out this update...
Alisdair W wrote:
Nothing's corrupted
Have you read my post? The setup detected VS2008 correctly the first time, then failed and now refuse to detect it again. That's what I call corrupted because obviously some keys etc. have been removed.
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Andre Buenger wrote:
Syntax updates? To the C++ language? For a MFC update?
It's a beta for MFC and the TR1 update to C++:
In addition, this release includes an implementation of TR1. Portions of TR1 are scheduled for adoption in the upcoming C++0x standard as the first major addition to the ISO 2003 standard C++ library. Our implementation includes a number of important features such as: · Smart pointers · Regular expression parsing · New containers (tuple, array, unordered set, etc) · Sophisticated random number generators · Polymorphic function wrappers · Type traits · And more!
http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/archive/2008/01/07/mfc-beta-now-available.aspx[^]
Alisdair W wrote:
It's a beta for MFC and the TR1 update to C++:
TR1 is like the MFC just a lib, no C++0x language additions. Therefore also no new syntax or compiler.
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Alisdair W wrote:
Nothing's corrupted
Have you read my post? The setup detected VS2008 correctly the first time, then failed and now refuse to detect it again. That's what I call corrupted because obviously some keys etc. have been removed.
Oops sorry, missed that. Now I accidentally marked your post 1 as well. Think I'm going to give up for the day :)
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originSH wrote:
You know this is a beta pack right?
Yes, but the installer itself shouldn't be beta ;)
Andre Buenger wrote:
Yes, but the installer itself shouldn't be beta
Yes, but the harddrive itself shouldn't be that close to being full. Let's see, you should keep about 10% free, you got 500MB of temp more than you expected (not unusual in compressed installers... uncompress to full size in temp and install), therefore you must have had a 5Gig disk on the machine if you were doing everything you were supposed to look out for also. :) sure there is a little on the MS side, but a little of the current problem is equally, if not greater shared with yourself. Sorry, but true.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Andre Buenger wrote:
Yes, but the installer itself shouldn't be beta
Yes, but the harddrive itself shouldn't be that close to being full. Let's see, you should keep about 10% free, you got 500MB of temp more than you expected (not unusual in compressed installers... uncompress to full size in temp and install), therefore you must have had a 5Gig disk on the machine if you were doing everything you were supposed to look out for also. :) sure there is a little on the MS side, but a little of the current problem is equally, if not greater shared with yourself. Sorry, but true.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
You are right, I should have checked C before starting the setup. But let's summarize the required disk space: 303 MB for the installer 309 MB for the extracted setup files 200 MB somewhere on C 1.22 GB in Windows\Installer ------------------------------------ More than 2 GB 'temporary' disk space + the actual disk space in the installation folder For 2 native C++ libraries this is a mess, me thinks.
modified on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:41:17 PM
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originSH wrote:
You know this is a beta pack right?
Yes, but the installer itself shouldn't be beta ;)
The installer is very much BETA. There is still issues to be worked out with it. Part of the reason for the BETA release was to test the installer. Did I mention it's BETA? FWIW, it took me three attempts to install it. If I had RTFM, I would have mounted the VS2008 install before attempting the feature pack install :rolleyes: Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
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I've downloaded the VC2008 Feature Pack (link below) yesterday, a whopping 303 MB installer for a MFC update and TR1 :omg: The setup files are then extracted to a folder in the root of the drive where VS2008 is installed. Why is there a directory called "Temp"? Ok, 10 minutes later the setup failed. The reason was quickly found out, drive C is full. Thankfully the installer left its 500 MB in the Windows\Installer directory :doh: So I've cleaned up some space on C and run the setup again: "None of the products that are addressed by this software update are installed on this computer. Click Cancel to exit setup." Thanks Microsoft for selling an unfinished product which is now corrupted. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=D466226B-8DAB-445F-A7B4-448B326C48E7&displaylang=en[^]
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I've downloaded the VC2008 Feature Pack (link below) yesterday, a whopping 303 MB installer for a MFC update and TR1 :omg: The setup files are then extracted to a folder in the root of the drive where VS2008 is installed. Why is there a directory called "Temp"? Ok, 10 minutes later the setup failed. The reason was quickly found out, drive C is full. Thankfully the installer left its 500 MB in the Windows\Installer directory :doh: So I've cleaned up some space on C and run the setup again: "None of the products that are addressed by this software update are installed on this computer. Click Cancel to exit setup." Thanks Microsoft for selling an unfinished product which is now corrupted. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=D466226B-8DAB-445F-A7B4-448B326C48E7&displaylang=en[^]
If the setup fails with "None of the products that are addressed by this software update are installed on this computer. Click Cancel to exit setup." try the following: Start the setup and wait till the dialog appears, but don't click cancel. Now go to the root of the drive where VS2008 is installed. There should be a folder with a random name ("2a3c3425751ec881b40910" for example), copy the VS90-VCFeaturePack-Beta-KB945273-x86x64-ENU.msp file to a different location. Now cancel the setup. Now double-click the msp-file to start the patch manually. Make sure that you have at least 2 GB of free disk space on drive C.
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You are right, I should have checked C before starting the setup. But let's summarize the required disk space: 303 MB for the installer 309 MB for the extracted setup files 200 MB somewhere on C 1.22 GB in Windows\Installer ------------------------------------ More than 2 GB 'temporary' disk space + the actual disk space in the installation folder For 2 native C++ libraries this is a mess, me thinks.
modified on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:41:17 PM
be glad you are not installing my app. Sad but true. Sounds like it wouldn't fit on your machine anyhow. :) 4.5gig is a minimum install, and that is after temp cleanup. We generally recommend 10 gig free or 25gig if you want to install the whole world.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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be glad you are not installing my app. Sad but true. Sounds like it wouldn't fit on your machine anyhow. :) 4.5gig is a minimum install, and that is after temp cleanup. We generally recommend 10 gig free or 25gig if you want to install the whole world.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
be glad you are not installing my app. Sad but true. Sounds like it wouldn't fit on your machine anyhow. 4.5gig is a minimum install, and that is after temp cleanup. We generally recommend 10 gig free or 25gig if you want to install the whole world.
That's no problem, if I can select where I want the files to be installed to and if you respect the Temp variable setting. I do have a problem with Microsofts attitude to dumb everything on C. I can't move the stuff to different partitions as fast as the MSI installers eat the drive space. The VS2008 setup also ignores the destination path for a lot of stuff and dumbs it to C:\Program Files.
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El Corazon wrote:
be glad you are not installing my app. Sad but true. Sounds like it wouldn't fit on your machine anyhow. 4.5gig is a minimum install, and that is after temp cleanup. We generally recommend 10 gig free or 25gig if you want to install the whole world.
That's no problem, if I can select where I want the files to be installed to and if you respect the Temp variable setting. I do have a problem with Microsofts attitude to dumb everything on C. I can't move the stuff to different partitions as fast as the MSI installers eat the drive space. The VS2008 setup also ignores the destination path for a lot of stuff and dumbs it to C:\Program Files.
Andre Buenger wrote:
That's no problem, if I can select where I want the files to be installed to and if you respect the Temp variable setting. I do have a problem with Microsofts attitude to dumb everything on C. I can't move the stuff to different partitions as fast as the MSI installers eat the drive space. The VS2008 setup also ignores the destination path for a lot of stuff and dumbs it to C:\Program Files.
One of the problems is that this is generally considered a user protection problem and a security error to allow the temp variable to go anywhere. i know, I know, everyone does it. But, theoretically, you are only supposed to use the temp in the user directory, and that goes on the User hidden directories in the user profile on C. Some things do it the new way to the user profile, others the old way to the temp variable. And everyone yells at everyone for the problems of the two disagreeing sides of the argument. Add to that you still have people directly writing to the windows\temp and you have an out and out brawl if you bring them all together for a discussion on how to solve it. No one wants to change, no one wants to give the other guy any room, so everyone still does it any way they want to. That problem includes MS, but is much wider than MS. So the installer in my app unpacks the installer in the temp environment directory and then unpacks the DVD data to the appropriate directories. The installer "portion" is only about 250mb, the rest is mostly data.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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originSH wrote:
You know this is a beta pack right?
Are you talking about VS2008, or the Feature Pack?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Andre Buenger wrote:
a whopping 303 MB installer for a MFC update and TR1
Besides the new libraries, which are much larger, there's also a new IDE. Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
Yeah - the new IDE has a single dialog box that says "None of the products affected by this update are installed on this system." At least the new IDE is lightweight.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Yeah - the new IDE has a single dialog box that says "None of the products affected by this update are installed on this system." At least the new IDE is lightweight.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Yeah, and it works a lot faster than the old IDE :)
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
