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  • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

    Fred_Smith wrote:

    what's number 3

    I have seen a little dog near my house sometime about three months back groaning with pain. Some ass**le seemed to have hit it earlier in the wee hours of the day. For nearly an hour I was trying to locate some nearby vet to locate. We have so many ambulance services swishing through the expressways and corridors of the cities servicing human patients but unfortunately the number of vets are very very less at least in Chennai, India. Fortunately, my friend tried to locate an animal volunteer-vet house which is about a couple of miles drive and we called him for help. I wrote an email note to cop@vsnl.net (Chennai Commissioner of Police) with a cc to Animal Welfare Department as directed from http://www.tn.gov.in/[^] to check on the reckless driving in my area and to erect median dividers. And those smarta**es sitting over the ruling position of the state have time only to give press releases but not for the welfare of anyone.

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    A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson

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    Well at least you tried - that's the most any of us can do. Unfortunately the majority of people have convinced themselves either that animals don't feel pain or that what they do isn't worth being concerned about. We (Whites) used to feel the same about Black people once, but we grew up, eventually. But just as then, our feelings are only a mask to cover our desire to have what we want without concern for anything other than ourselves. Nothing wrong with selfishness per se, but one day we'll come to realise that we can serve our own interests even better if we look outside of ourselves at the same time.

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    • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

      No. Definitely not. There are zillions of superstitions that actually hide the inner deep content like a cloud that hides the sun momentarily. The Hindu scriptures always profess 'Ahimsa' (Non-Violence) and True Mutual Love and Affection with each other.

      Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
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      A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson

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      Lost User
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      How about if you killed it in a non violent way, and lovingly sent it on its way to the next incarnation?

      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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      • F Fred_Smith

        Well at least you tried - that's the most any of us can do. Unfortunately the majority of people have convinced themselves either that animals don't feel pain or that what they do isn't worth being concerned about. We (Whites) used to feel the same about Black people once, but we grew up, eventually. But just as then, our feelings are only a mask to cover our desire to have what we want without concern for anything other than ourselves. Nothing wrong with selfishness per se, but one day we'll come to realise that we can serve our own interests even better if we look outside of ourselves at the same time.

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        BoneSoft
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        Fred_Smith wrote:

        Nothing wrong with selfishness per se

        I disagree, selfishness is the bases of all evil.


        Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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        • L Lost User

          How about if you killed it in a non violent way, and lovingly sent it on its way to the next incarnation?

          Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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          Like how? Your terminally ill hamster? :~

          -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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            Fred_Smith wrote:

            Nothing wrong with selfishness per se

            I disagree, selfishness is the bases of all evil.


            Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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            No it isn't - evil is f***ing priests preaching that it's a sin to think of yourself - this leads to some very screwed up and unhappy people. The problems arise when you ONLY think of yourself. The goal we should be aiming for is one where everyone's best interests are met - human, animal, the planet.... The trick is to realise that these are not mutually exclusive aims. Not only do we not have to kill half the planet off for our own needs and desires, but we shouldn't either - it really isn't in our best interest to do so.

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              Fred_Smith wrote:

              Nothing wrong with selfishness per se

              I disagree, selfishness is the bases of all evil.


              Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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              You're both wrong, greed is the greatest evil.

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              • F Fred_Smith

                No it isn't - evil is f***ing priests preaching that it's a sin to think of yourself - this leads to some very screwed up and unhappy people. The problems arise when you ONLY think of yourself. The goal we should be aiming for is one where everyone's best interests are met - human, animal, the planet.... The trick is to realise that these are not mutually exclusive aims. Not only do we not have to kill half the planet off for our own needs and desires, but we shouldn't either - it really isn't in our best interest to do so.

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                AndyKEnZ
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                Fred_Smith wrote:

                Not only do we not have to kill half the planet off for our own needs and desires, but we shouldn't either - it really isn't in our best interest to do so.

                Strange I read the other day that if everyone on the planet lived as a citizen of the USA does we'd need 6 more planet earth's.

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                • F Fred_Smith

                  No it isn't - evil is f***ing priests preaching that it's a sin to think of yourself - this leads to some very screwed up and unhappy people. The problems arise when you ONLY think of yourself. The goal we should be aiming for is one where everyone's best interests are met - human, animal, the planet.... The trick is to realise that these are not mutually exclusive aims. Not only do we not have to kill half the planet off for our own needs and desires, but we shouldn't either - it really isn't in our best interest to do so.

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                  BoneSoft
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                  So, you're saying that we should consider how our actions effect those other than ourselves... Sounds a lot like the opposite of selfishness.

                  Fred_Smith wrote:

                  The goal we should be aiming for is one where everyone's best interests are met - human, animal, the planet....

                  Not self interests. Sounds like everything you said after "No it isn't" is an agreement after all.


                  Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                    You're both wrong, greed is the greatest evil.

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                    BoneSoft
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                    There is no 'greatest' evil. And what do you think greed is based in? Selfishness.


                    Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                    • F Fred_Smith

                      No it isn't - evil is f***ing priests preaching that it's a sin to think of yourself - this leads to some very screwed up and unhappy people. The problems arise when you ONLY think of yourself. The goal we should be aiming for is one where everyone's best interests are met - human, animal, the planet.... The trick is to realise that these are not mutually exclusive aims. Not only do we not have to kill half the planet off for our own needs and desires, but we shouldn't either - it really isn't in our best interest to do so.

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                      Shog9 0
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                      Fred_Smith wrote:

                      Nothing wrong with selfishness per se

                      Fred_Smith wrote:

                      The problems arise when you ONLY think of yourself.

                      Um. What's your definition of "selfish"? :~

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                        Fred_Smith wrote:

                        Nothing wrong with selfishness per se

                        Fred_Smith wrote:

                        The problems arise when you ONLY think of yourself.

                        Um. What's your definition of "selfish"? :~

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                        Fred_Smith
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                        Selfish means thinking of oneself. It does not in itself imply that you cannot ALSO think of others. It does not have to mean ONLY thinking of oneself. All I'm trying to say is that your needs are as valid as anyone else's, and no-one should have to make a sacrificial animal of themselves in order for others to get their needs.

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                        • F Fred_Smith

                          Selfish means thinking of oneself. It does not in itself imply that you cannot ALSO think of others. It does not have to mean ONLY thinking of oneself. All I'm trying to say is that your needs are as valid as anyone else's, and no-one should have to make a sacrificial animal of themselves in order for others to get their needs.

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                          BoneSoft
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                          Dictionary.com:

                          Selfish: 1. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. 2. characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives.


                          Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                          • F Fred_Smith

                            Selfish means thinking of oneself. It does not in itself imply that you cannot ALSO think of others. It does not have to mean ONLY thinking of oneself. All I'm trying to say is that your needs are as valid as anyone else's, and no-one should have to make a sacrificial animal of themselves in order for others to get their needs.

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                            Shog9 0
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                            Yeah, i was kinda hoping you'd get the Through The Looking Glass reference and stop trying to clean this up. See, we all think about ourselves. It's pretty much how we're set up. You don't call someone selfish when they eat their breakfast instead of putting it in a box and mailing it to China addressed to "any starving kids that might come across this". The command is "Love your neighbor as yourself", not "hate yourself, love your neighbor". The word "selfish" is used to describe someone who thinks predominately or exclusively about themselves, unwilling or unable to empathize with others. It's a negative word, but a useful word. I'm not sure what you think you'll gain from twisting it to mean something else... Did a priest hurt your feelings by calling you selfish or something? :suss:

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                            • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                              Like how? Your terminally ill hamster? :~

                              -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                              KaRl
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                              An episode[^] of South Park comes to mind.

                              Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall? Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                              • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                                Yes. Metric and imperial. I like the metric ones... ;)

                                -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                                Tim Craig
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                                Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                I like the metric ones...

                                So when you throw out a certain, ahem, number with no units, it sounds bigger? ;)

                                Doing my part to piss off the religious right.

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