Newbie's can't post [modified]
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As there seems to be an increase in idiots who create accounts and then post pointless articles such as those who post the posting guidelines themselves, would it not help if new users were not allowed to post articles for the first month of their membership ? It won't stop them all of course but may act as a deterrent to some. Does anyone agree or has this been suggested before and not implemented for some valid reason ?
Jonathan Wilkes Darka[Xanya.net]
modified on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:44 AM
I'd strongly agree with you, Jonathan. As our forums are not moderated, we need to ensure they aren't polluted with crap posts and most importantly crap/plagiarized articles. Not that all the new members are idiotic, but most of them really are. 1. My idea is that we could suggest Chris to impose a probationary period for new members which they'll have to complete, restricting them to post only on the programming forums and article discussions (at the bottom of every article). 2. Posts made by members in probationary period in the article discussions must be moderated. This responsibility may be best given to the author of the article. But Forum Administrators, MVPs, can play a role if required. 3. A member who hasn't completed the probationary period may be allowed to submit an article, but then the article won't be published before it is moderated. They may even use the article submission wizard, but then wizard will in turn email the stuff to administrators. 4. I realize that this may involve a lot of work, may increase load on the servers, etc., but then there's no point in letting it go this way forever. Because this may bring down the quality of the entire site at some stage. I request all the members to kindly suggest their ideas / share their thoughts.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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I'd strongly agree with you, Jonathan. As our forums are not moderated, we need to ensure they aren't polluted with crap posts and most importantly crap/plagiarized articles. Not that all the new members are idiotic, but most of them really are. 1. My idea is that we could suggest Chris to impose a probationary period for new members which they'll have to complete, restricting them to post only on the programming forums and article discussions (at the bottom of every article). 2. Posts made by members in probationary period in the article discussions must be moderated. This responsibility may be best given to the author of the article. But Forum Administrators, MVPs, can play a role if required. 3. A member who hasn't completed the probationary period may be allowed to submit an article, but then the article won't be published before it is moderated. They may even use the article submission wizard, but then wizard will in turn email the stuff to administrators. 4. I realize that this may involve a lot of work, may increase load on the servers, etc., but then there's no point in letting it go this way forever. Because this may bring down the quality of the entire site at some stage. I request all the members to kindly suggest their ideas / share their thoughts.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
I've seen this kind of problem on other forums and there is no perfect solution. The general principal of longer membership is a difficult one. Say someone like Ray Ozzie joined codeproject. Should he wait a month? What about a 14-year-old hack attacker? A month would be too soon. With moderation and ranking of posts it is very clear, very quickly, what people think about someone's ability. I do agree that a gentle expansion of access to post should be considered, but it should be based on the response to previous contribution. Newbies can respond to a thread but can't start a new one. AFTER showing some level of competence, through ranking of comments, the ability to start a discussion on the questions forums is granted. By asking sensible questions, not “pleeze you do my homework – URGENT!!!”, the ability is extended to the non-question forums; egg. the Lounge, Coding Horrors. Finally, once accepted as possessing at least a modicum of ability the bestest bit, say’s he who hasn’t, of creating articles is given.
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I've seen this kind of problem on other forums and there is no perfect solution. The general principal of longer membership is a difficult one. Say someone like Ray Ozzie joined codeproject. Should he wait a month? What about a 14-year-old hack attacker? A month would be too soon. With moderation and ranking of posts it is very clear, very quickly, what people think about someone's ability. I do agree that a gentle expansion of access to post should be considered, but it should be based on the response to previous contribution. Newbies can respond to a thread but can't start a new one. AFTER showing some level of competence, through ranking of comments, the ability to start a discussion on the questions forums is granted. By asking sensible questions, not “pleeze you do my homework – URGENT!!!”, the ability is extended to the non-question forums; egg. the Lounge, Coding Horrors. Finally, once accepted as possessing at least a modicum of ability the bestest bit, say’s he who hasn’t, of creating articles is given.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
williamnw wrote:
Say someone like Ray Ozzie joined codeproject. Should he wait a month? What about a 14-year-old hack attacker? A month would be too soon.
If was suggesting two things. "X no. of months + Y. no. of posts". If Mr. Ray Ozzie hadn't made any post during this X no. of months, he'd still be in probationary period. Because he will have to make a minimum of Y no. of posts too! As soon as he starts making posts, we could know his standards.
williamnw wrote:
Newbies can respond to a thread but can't start a new one.
Newbies must be able to start a new thread, but only on the programming forums. On the other hand, until their probationary period is over, they must never be allowed to do anything in any non-programming forums, except for that they should be able to read and observe the kind of conversations there. I say this because, you will be busy discussing something on the Lounge and Mr. Ray Ozzie will add a reply like: "Hey William, I am unable to start thrds, so plz can u send me da sorce code of factorial function using da recursion in C++? I hop u can hlp me its urgent plzzzz. :(( :(( My email id is ozziethejerk@gmail.com". I may accept that there's no perfect solution. But something has to be done about this.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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As there seems to be an increase in idiots who create accounts and then post pointless articles such as those who post the posting guidelines themselves, would it not help if new users were not allowed to post articles for the first month of their membership ? It won't stop them all of course but may act as a deterrent to some. Does anyone agree or has this been suggested before and not implemented for some valid reason ?
Jonathan Wilkes Darka[Xanya.net]
modified on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:44 AM
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I've seen this kind of problem on other forums and there is no perfect solution. The general principal of longer membership is a difficult one. Say someone like Ray Ozzie joined codeproject. Should he wait a month? What about a 14-year-old hack attacker? A month would be too soon. With moderation and ranking of posts it is very clear, very quickly, what people think about someone's ability. I do agree that a gentle expansion of access to post should be considered, but it should be based on the response to previous contribution. Newbies can respond to a thread but can't start a new one. AFTER showing some level of competence, through ranking of comments, the ability to start a discussion on the questions forums is granted. By asking sensible questions, not “pleeze you do my homework – URGENT!!!”, the ability is extended to the non-question forums; egg. the Lounge, Coding Horrors. Finally, once accepted as possessing at least a modicum of ability the bestest bit, say’s he who hasn’t, of creating articles is given.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
williamnw wrote:
Newbies can respond to a thread but can't start a new one.
That doesn't make any sense. Virtually everybody who signs up for using the forums* does so because they want a question answered, not because they want to answer questions. If they find out they cannot ask a question till a month is up, they are going to go elsewhere. * Leaving out the people who join to download ZIP files, because they are out of question here.
Cheers, Vikram.
"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - Mahatma Gandhi.
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What about restricting posting rights to the none technical forums. That way they can still post questions and interact with the community and after x amount of time or y number of posts they can use the lounge and co.
originSH wrote:
What about restricting posting rights to the none technical forums
So the technical forums will become full of bad jokes, posts about cricket, and advice on how to get the attention of a female friend who just doesn't see him that way...
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originSH wrote:
What about restricting posting rights to the none technical forums
So the technical forums will become full of bad jokes, posts about cricket, and advice on how to get the attention of a female friend who just doesn't see him that way...
-- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
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williamnw wrote:
Newbies can respond to a thread but can't start a new one.
That doesn't make any sense. Virtually everybody who signs up for using the forums* does so because they want a question answered, not because they want to answer questions. If they find out they cannot ask a question till a month is up, they are going to go elsewhere. * Leaving out the people who join to download ZIP files, because they are out of question here.
Cheers, Vikram.
"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - Mahatma Gandhi.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Virtually everybody who signs up for using the forums* does so because they want a question answered, not because they want to answer questions.
Donno 'bout you, but back when i started coming here you didn't need an account to download files, ask questions, or answer questions. I showed up for the articles, stuck around to answer questions, and eventually signed up so that i didn't need to keep typing in my sig. But, IMHO, that just makes this suggestion even worse. To be honest, it's pretty likely i wouldn't have bothered with the forums at all if i'd had to sign up. There's no way i'd have bothered if i'd faced a wall of restrictions. The unscrupulous folk will just ask questions as replies to other questions, while those who might actually contribute would be driven away.
But who is the king of all of these folks?
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Virtually everybody who signs up for using the forums* does so because they want a question answered, not because they want to answer questions.
Donno 'bout you, but back when i started coming here you didn't need an account to download files, ask questions, or answer questions. I showed up for the articles, stuck around to answer questions, and eventually signed up so that i didn't need to keep typing in my sig. But, IMHO, that just makes this suggestion even worse. To be honest, it's pretty likely i wouldn't have bothered with the forums at all if i'd had to sign up. There's no way i'd have bothered if i'd faced a wall of restrictions. The unscrupulous folk will just ask questions as replies to other questions, while those who might actually contribute would be driven away.
But who is the king of all of these folks?
Huh? :confused: I didn't make any suggestions, at least not for new rules here. I just pointed out a flaw in the other guy's suggestion.
Shog9 wrote:
The unscrupulous folk will just ask questions as replies to other questions
Right you are. All the more reason his suggestion will not work.
Shog9 wrote:
while those who might actually contribute would be driven away.
You already need to sign up to answer questions/post articles/etc. And I'm not saying we need to change anything there. I don't get your point. :suss:
Cheers, Vikram.
"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - Mahatma Gandhi.
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As there seems to be an increase in idiots who create accounts and then post pointless articles such as those who post the posting guidelines themselves, would it not help if new users were not allowed to post articles for the first month of their membership ? It won't stop them all of course but may act as a deterrent to some. Does anyone agree or has this been suggested before and not implemented for some valid reason ?
Jonathan Wilkes Darka[Xanya.net]
modified on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:44 AM
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As there seems to be an increase in idiots who create accounts and then post pointless articles such as those who post the posting guidelines themselves, would it not help if new users were not allowed to post articles for the first month of their membership ? It won't stop them all of course but may act as a deterrent to some. Does anyone agree or has this been suggested before and not implemented for some valid reason ?
Jonathan Wilkes Darka[Xanya.net]
modified on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:44 AM
I'm not sure that'll really help. They'll just create a raft of accounts and wait a month.
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Huh? :confused: I didn't make any suggestions, at least not for new rules here. I just pointed out a flaw in the other guy's suggestion.
Shog9 wrote:
The unscrupulous folk will just ask questions as replies to other questions
Right you are. All the more reason his suggestion will not work.
Shog9 wrote:
while those who might actually contribute would be driven away.
You already need to sign up to answer questions/post articles/etc. And I'm not saying we need to change anything there. I don't get your point. :suss:
Cheers, Vikram.
"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - Mahatma Gandhi.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I didn't make any suggestions, at least not for new rules here. I just pointed out a flaw in the other guy's suggestion.
I know, i was agreeing and pointing out others. FWIW, I've been trying to make replies in this thread on and off all morning, and CP just ain't likin' 'em. :suss:
But who is the king of all of these folks?
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I didn't make any suggestions, at least not for new rules here. I just pointed out a flaw in the other guy's suggestion.
I know, i was agreeing and pointing out others. FWIW, I've been trying to make replies in this thread on and off all morning, and CP just ain't likin' 'em. :suss:
But who is the king of all of these folks?
Shog9 wrote:
I know, i was agreeing and pointing out others.
Ah, OK. :)
Shog9 wrote:
FWIW, I've been trying to make replies in this thread on and off all morning, and CP just ain't likin' 'em.
And I thought it was just me....
Cheers, Vikram.
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