Why is ASP so SLOW?! [modified]
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Was your other parent a toaster?
I don't appreciate the racial slur against my Cylon mother! (If anyone's not as big of a nerd as I, Look up Battlestar Gallactica on Wikipedia, or something :D)
"Silently laughing at silly people is much more satisfying in the long run than rolling around with them in a dusty street, trying to knock out all their teeth. If nothing else, it's better on the clothes." - Belgarath (David Eddings)
Nope - I'm a nerd. So, was she a Centurion or an Android?
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I just had an interesting question. I've used many websites, being a child of the internet. And, in all my days of surfing, I've found that, in general, PHP-driven sites generally take less time to load than ASP sites. I've found that in about 4/5 cases (particularly with forums), sites that are obviously ASP-driven (you can see the .asp(x) extension in the URLs) often take several seconds longer to load than similar pages that are obviously PHP-driven. Any suggestions on why this seems to be? (I'm not saying ASP /IS/ slower... just that it /seems/ slower - my answer to my own question would be "Microsoft", which should explain everything, but I want the nitty gritty details!)
modified on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:33 PM
Everytime I go to a PHP site I dread the load time...
Steve Naidamast Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@ix.netcom.com
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I just had an interesting question. I've used many websites, being a child of the internet. And, in all my days of surfing, I've found that, in general, PHP-driven sites generally take less time to load than ASP sites. I've found that in about 4/5 cases (particularly with forums), sites that are obviously ASP-driven (you can see the .asp(x) extension in the URLs) often take several seconds longer to load than similar pages that are obviously PHP-driven. Any suggestions on why this seems to be? (I'm not saying ASP /IS/ slower... just that it /seems/ slower - my answer to my own question would be "Microsoft", which should explain everything, but I want the nitty gritty details!)
modified on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:33 PM
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I just had an interesting question. I've used many websites, being a child of the internet. And, in all my days of surfing, I've found that, in general, PHP-driven sites generally take less time to load than ASP sites. I've found that in about 4/5 cases (particularly with forums), sites that are obviously ASP-driven (you can see the .asp(x) extension in the URLs) often take several seconds longer to load than similar pages that are obviously PHP-driven. Any suggestions on why this seems to be? (I'm not saying ASP /IS/ slower... just that it /seems/ slower - my answer to my own question would be "Microsoft", which should explain everything, but I want the nitty gritty details!)
modified on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:33 PM
If you want real speed, step back in time, to straight HTML, and perl scripting. Do not use style sheets, or ActiveX, or IIS, or any other M$ tech, and program your site exactly for what it is supposed to do and nothing more. Its not glamorous, and pretty, but it beats the pants off glamorous, glitzy websites written in anything else, as far as speed goes. As a bonus it will be hard to be hacked, not utilizing ActiveX, and other arbitrary coding schemes that can expose your file system and process space to arbitrary code. If you want pretty things with lots of advertising, expect to be slow, or need lots of hardware to compensate. Experienced programmer's know how to write optimized code, and organize through convention and dicipline, what ASP/.Net/FrontPage/IIS and the like try to enforce through language syntax, object models, templates, stylesheets, and wizards. To truly answer the question, we would need to produce a controlled experiement, developeing the same web app/site in each language, running on equivalent hardware. The code for both should be reviewed by many that it is the most efficient it can be, for the functions involved, and then start hitting it. The basic functions of this site should included all of the neccessary functions for measuring and tracking its performance, which could really be the primary function: measureing, recording, tracking, and reporting all aspects of the site performance for all users.
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If you want real speed, step back in time, to straight HTML, and perl scripting. Do not use style sheets, or ActiveX, or IIS, or any other M$ tech, and program your site exactly for what it is supposed to do and nothing more. Its not glamorous, and pretty, but it beats the pants off glamorous, glitzy websites written in anything else, as far as speed goes. As a bonus it will be hard to be hacked, not utilizing ActiveX, and other arbitrary coding schemes that can expose your file system and process space to arbitrary code. If you want pretty things with lots of advertising, expect to be slow, or need lots of hardware to compensate. Experienced programmer's know how to write optimized code, and organize through convention and dicipline, what ASP/.Net/FrontPage/IIS and the like try to enforce through language syntax, object models, templates, stylesheets, and wizards. To truly answer the question, we would need to produce a controlled experiement, developeing the same web app/site in each language, running on equivalent hardware. The code for both should be reviewed by many that it is the most efficient it can be, for the functions involved, and then start hitting it. The basic functions of this site should included all of the neccessary functions for measuring and tracking its performance, which could really be the primary function: measureing, recording, tracking, and reporting all aspects of the site performance for all users.
If you really want to get a halfway valid comparison between asp, asp.net, lamp and/or any other platform, get a project going where you set a common set of criteria for a site in each platform to achieve and see who can come up with the best response times. Get each site hosted on the same machine and run some tests. There are enough talented programmers here to bash something together fairly quickly, the only problem would be finding an acceptable host.
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I just had an interesting question. I've used many websites, being a child of the internet. And, in all my days of surfing, I've found that, in general, PHP-driven sites generally take less time to load than ASP sites. I've found that in about 4/5 cases (particularly with forums), sites that are obviously ASP-driven (you can see the .asp(x) extension in the URLs) often take several seconds longer to load than similar pages that are obviously PHP-driven. Any suggestions on why this seems to be? (I'm not saying ASP /IS/ slower... just that it /seems/ slower - my answer to my own question would be "Microsoft", which should explain everything, but I want the nitty gritty details!)
modified on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:33 PM
I'd put two theories. As scripting hosting is mostly cheaper, ASP sites would be owned by larger companies on larger budgets, etc., and be "heavier" on DB usage, number of classes, etc. This may explain some of the differences. On technical side, ASP (as well as Java) works differently. First of all, once the request is mapped to the ASP(x) file, the page is parsed, source code extracted, temporary source is compiled, then object structure of server controls is de-serialized from page file, etc., etc. This, by the way, would include loading all referenced classes (in .NET). The above workload is smaller and response is much faster once the data is already cached in memory; so if you are the first person to access the page in last 30 minutes, you get the slowest response: the entire site would be started. The scripting implementations, as I understand the underlying mechanics, do not have this startup overhead, so the response times would be more "uniform".
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KramII wrote:
Because ASP runs on MS servers, and PHP runs on Linux. (Runs for cover)
But you can run ASP on Linux servers (using open-source clones), and PHP on Winnoes, so this says nothing! If you didn't take a stab at mocking Microsoft, I'd chase you with a torch and pitchfork! :P
"Silently laughing at silly people is much more satisfying in the long run than rolling around with them in a dusty street, trying to knock out all their teeth. If nothing else, it's better on the clothes." - Belgarath (David Eddings)
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I never said there weren't any big PHP sites, so get that chip off your shoulder. All I said was that ASP.NET has a fast engine, but buried it under a bunch of designer crap. PHP not so much from what I understand.
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I swear to God, does no one actually read anymore? The guy who responded to you is an idiot. Sigh...
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I swear to God, does no one actually read anymore? The guy who responded to you is an idiot. Sigh...
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
When will all you PHP heads get it, I'm not bashing PHP! Jebus frickin Crispies on a jet powered pogo stick. ;P
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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When will all you PHP heads get it, I'm not bashing PHP! Jebus frickin Crispies on a jet powered pogo stick. ;P
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
Dude! I was defending you! I was complaining about the guy who responded to your post :)
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Dude! I was defending you! I was complaining about the guy who responded to your post :)
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If you could be bothered to read my damn post, it'd be clear that you don't have to reply. What are you, dumber then a flat rock? I'm a doctor Jim, not a blasted librarian.
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