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  • realJSOPR realJSOP

    Microsoft bought several graphics patents from SGI, some of which may be implemented in OpenGL. They (Microsoft) have now claimed intellectual property rights on ARB vertex shaders and maybe fragment shaders as well. They offered to license these patents "under reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms". Mark my words - this is going to effectively KILL OpenGL on ALL platforms. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

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    Chris Losinger
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    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: this is going to effectively KILL OpenGL what would be really damning is if MS had something that competed directly with OpenG... oh wait, they do.... :( come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. -c


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      Microsoft bought several graphics patents from SGI, some of which may be implemented in OpenGL. They (Microsoft) have now claimed intellectual property rights on ARB vertex shaders and maybe fragment shaders as well. They offered to license these patents "under reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms". Mark my words - this is going to effectively KILL OpenGL on ALL platforms. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

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      Yeah, it's been posted on slashdot and theregister, but where's the original? That's written from a third party's point of view, so it's blatantly already slanted against Microsoft. Chances are they will eventually do something like that, but there's no evidence so far - all they've done is remind people that they've got the rights. Cheers, Peter Pearson

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        Microsoft bought several graphics patents from SGI, some of which may be implemented in OpenGL. They (Microsoft) have now claimed intellectual property rights on ARB vertex shaders and maybe fragment shaders as well. They offered to license these patents "under reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms". Mark my words - this is going to effectively KILL OpenGL on ALL platforms. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

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        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Why the hell did SGI sell the patents in the first place? I think it is funny. But I hope they lose too. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?

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          Sniff, I readed that too ! Microsoft want to smash OpenGL and force the use of only one 3D library our beloved DirectX ( :confused: ) , just typical from them ... Sniff ... I hope they lost ... :mad: :mad: :mad: Cheers, Joao Vaz The loved ones never really leave us , they are always alive on our hearts and minds.

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          Joao Vaz wrote: DirectX Direct3D, DirectX covers a lot more ground. (Pedantic arsehole I know) ;)


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          • realJSOPR realJSOP

            Microsoft bought several graphics patents from SGI, some of which may be implemented in OpenGL. They (Microsoft) have now claimed intellectual property rights on ARB vertex shaders and maybe fragment shaders as well. They offered to license these patents "under reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms". Mark my words - this is going to effectively KILL OpenGL on ALL platforms. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

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            :wtf: ! Does it mean we can't use ARB extension freely anymore ? We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)

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            • realJSOPR realJSOP

              Microsoft bought several graphics patents from SGI, some of which may be implemented in OpenGL. They (Microsoft) have now claimed intellectual property rights on ARB vertex shaders and maybe fragment shaders as well. They offered to license these patents "under reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms". Mark my words - this is going to effectively KILL OpenGL on ALL platforms. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

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              [profile] >> Morrowind addict Bold Fighter in glass armor, Boss of the Fighters Guild, I presume?


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                Yeah, it's been posted on slashdot and theregister, but where's the original? That's written from a third party's point of view, so it's blatantly already slanted against Microsoft. Chances are they will eventually do something like that, but there's no evidence so far - all they've done is remind people that they've got the rights. Cheers, Peter Pearson

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                here


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                  Joao Vaz wrote: DirectX Direct3D, DirectX covers a lot more ground. (Pedantic arsehole I know) ;)


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                  David Wulff wrote: Direct3D, DirectX covers a lot more ground. Yeah ! You got me ! I should have said Direct3D :-) Cheers, Joao Vaz The loved ones never really leave us , they are always alive on our hearts and minds.

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                    Yeah, it's been posted on slashdot and theregister, but where's the original? That's written from a third party's point of view, so it's blatantly already slanted against Microsoft. Chances are they will eventually do something like that, but there's no evidence so far - all they've done is remind people that they've got the rights. Cheers, Peter Pearson

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                    No evidence? What do you call Inertnet Explorer? [EDIT] "Inertnet" - LOL - Freudian slip? They're provding a real good example of predatory business practice. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

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                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                      Microsoft bought several graphics patents from SGI, some of which may be implemented in OpenGL. They (Microsoft) have now claimed intellectual property rights on ARB vertex shaders and maybe fragment shaders as well. They offered to license these patents "under reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms". Mark my words - this is going to effectively KILL OpenGL on ALL platforms. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

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                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Mark my words - this is going to effectively KILL OpenGL on ALL platforms. Isn't that rather the point? Why else would they do it? Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                        [profile] >> Morrowind addict Bold Fighter in glass armor, Boss of the Fighters Guild, I presume?


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                        Who me? :-D

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                          Who me? :-D

                          "I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm

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                          uh, no, was posted to John Simmons. Either I'm already to stupid for this board, or.... CHRIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!!!


                          To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
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                            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Mark my words - this is going to effectively KILL OpenGL on ALL platforms. Isn't that rather the point? Why else would they do it? Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                            This will also ripple down nto competing operating systems. If Linux doesn't have OpenGL, you may as well forget new games being targetted at that platform. No games, no gamers. No gamers, no home users. No home users, no Linux. No Linux, Microsoft wins. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

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                              uh, no, was posted to John Simmons. Either I'm already to stupid for this board, or.... CHRIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!!!


                              To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
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                              John Simmons doesn't have "Morrowind Addict" in his bio. I do. I figured you were talking to me. And yes, I am the boss of the fighter guild and wear glass armor. :-D

                              "I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm

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                                This will also ripple down nto competing operating systems. If Linux doesn't have OpenGL, you may as well forget new games being targetted at that platform. No games, no gamers. No gamers, no home users. No home users, no Linux. No Linux, Microsoft wins. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

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                                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: No Linux, Microsoft wins. For good or bad, Microsoft won a long time ago. Linux is little more than a religious statement in the grand scheme of things. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                                  Microsoft bought several graphics patents from SGI, some of which may be implemented in OpenGL. They (Microsoft) have now claimed intellectual property rights on ARB vertex shaders and maybe fragment shaders as well. They offered to license these patents "under reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms". Mark my words - this is going to effectively KILL OpenGL on ALL platforms. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

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                                  Don't even get me started with the Fahrenheit project. Those bastards at MS have strong-armed SGI for a while now. SGI is either going out or is close to going out of business, so I assume that's why they sold the patents. Jeremy Falcon Imputek

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                                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: No Linux, Microsoft wins. For good or bad, Microsoft won a long time ago. Linux is little more than a religious statement in the grand scheme of things. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                                    Christopher Duncan wrote: Linux is little more than a religious statement in the grand scheme of things. No. Is not ;P Linux have a rightfully and deserved place ;P Unfortunatelly the trend in Portugal is: Microsoft plataforms are for biz applications what Unix are for system applications ... So, If I want to follow up the system programmers track that I love, I'm forced to do it on unix plataforms :(( , so Linux is my learning target while doing intensive learning on multithreading and socket programming in unix :(( Many people here in Portugal are using Linux as a unix* side of learning programming and many guys have it at home, ... Now even in this small country, there are some good companies that are turning solaris, aix, hp-ux and others nix* systems in flavour of linux ... So Linux is winning ...true, in small percentages, but is winning ... Cheers, Joao Vaz The loved ones never really leave us , they are always alive on our hearts and minds.

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                                      Christopher Duncan wrote: Linux is little more than a religious statement in the grand scheme of things. No. Is not ;P Linux have a rightfully and deserved place ;P Unfortunatelly the trend in Portugal is: Microsoft plataforms are for biz applications what Unix are for system applications ... So, If I want to follow up the system programmers track that I love, I'm forced to do it on unix plataforms :(( , so Linux is my learning target while doing intensive learning on multithreading and socket programming in unix :(( Many people here in Portugal are using Linux as a unix* side of learning programming and many guys have it at home, ... Now even in this small country, there are some good companies that are turning solaris, aix, hp-ux and others nix* systems in flavour of linux ... So Linux is winning ...true, in small percentages, but is winning ... Cheers, Joao Vaz The loved ones never really leave us , they are always alive on our hearts and minds.

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                                      Joao Vaz wrote: No. Is not ;P And of course, no offense intended to anyone's deeply held religious convictions! :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                                        John Simmons doesn't have "Morrowind Addict" in his bio. I do. I figured you were talking to me. And yes, I am the boss of the fighter guild and wear glass armor. :-D

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                                        rrrrlssmmmmffff...... I must be a bit on the confused side today.. I just thought that John, if he'd play Morrowind, probably would be of the "Daedra? Big Sword kills big Daedra!" style.


                                        To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
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                                          uh, no, was posted to John Simmons. Either I'm already to stupid for this board, or.... CHRIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!!!


                                          To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
                                          [sighist]

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                                          Me thinks the only reason they want the patent on openGL is because Asheron's Call I/II has gotten them so filthy rich using openGL that they're beginning to suffer from a severe Greedius Maximus Plague andthey want to profit more and more off it...to my knowledge...AC is the only Microsoft Product that uses GL in a major way.


                                          It's good to see kids turning their minds to wholesum activities such as programming, instead of wasting their lives in the hedonistic disciplines of Sex, Drugs, & Rock & Roll... or Sex with Drugs, or Sex with Rocks while Rolling in Drugs, or whatever new-fangled perversions you little monsters have thought up now... [Shog9 on Kid Programmers]

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