Salary History
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John M. Drescher wrote:
consistently got 5% or better annual raises
I've never worked anywhere longer then 2.5 yrs, and I'm not atypical! Just struck me as a humourous thought for a basis of appraisals. Besides which annual raises are tied to the company's financial situation, the market and the given ability to hardball far more so then the annual appraisal.
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After a while they all bug me :doh:
I think I oversimplified my reasoning a bit, but any information provided would be used to try to weed out differences between two cantidates that on the surface look very close. Also I would take this salary history as more important than references that only say good things about the candidate in question.
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I saw an advertisement for a job I am interested in, and they asked for a salary history. I have never seen that before and am curious as to exactly what is wanted. My current salary? The salary over the last 20 years? Any help is appreciated. Tim
The Salary History question is so they can try and not give you a sizable raise as well as weed out potential candidates. Normally I am not interested in such companies as it means they have HR that is a nightmare, however, the following answer always works, "My previous salaries are confidential, however, I am looking for a total compensation package of X";
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Double the amount of salaries you have had before sending them :d
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Giorgi Dalakishvili wrote:
Double the amount of salaries you have had before sending them
although this sounds like a good idea, and a bit fun, if you don't want the job you can do this.... the problem is you can actually outprice yourself from the job you are looking at.... They might have offered you 25 or 50% more, but 100% might be pushing it. I would say only do this if you are absolutely certain you made below average income, then go for it. But if doubling it takes it above what was reasonable, they may look at the application and say, "look at that money, he would never work at a 20% pay cut." when in reality it would have been a significant raise. I have no qualms about stretching the income numbers per se, though here lying on an application in any way shape or form is grounds for firing. I even listed a $125 speeding ticket in oklahoma when I was going to school there. It was above the $100 mark and thus had to be listed. Hey, I was at least thorough. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I saw an advertisement for a job I am interested in, and they asked for a salary history. I have never seen that before and am curious as to exactly what is wanted. My current salary? The salary over the last 20 years? Any help is appreciated. Tim
Tim Carmichael wrote:
I have never seen that before and am curious as to exactly what is wanted. My current salary? The salary over the last 20 years? Any help is appreciated.
See here.
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John M. Drescher wrote:
consistently got 5% or better annual raises
I've never worked anywhere longer then 2.5 yrs, and I'm not atypical! Just struck me as a humourous thought for a basis of appraisals. Besides which annual raises are tied to the company's financial situation, the market and the given ability to hardball far more so then the annual appraisal.
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
MidwestLimey wrote:
I've never worked anywhere longer then 2.5 yrs
ouch... that would be a big strike here.... not that we expect people to stay forever, but 2.5 years longest means we are training you to benefit someone else never us. that's not a great incentive to any employer.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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MidwestLimey wrote:
I've never worked anywhere longer then 2.5 yrs
ouch... that would be a big strike here.... not that we expect people to stay forever, but 2.5 years longest means we are training you to benefit someone else never us. that's not a great incentive to any employer.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
That is one thing I would at least question in the first interview from seeing that on a salary history.
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I think I oversimplified my reasoning a bit, but any information provided would be used to try to weed out differences between two cantidates that on the surface look very close. Also I would take this salary history as more important than references that only say good things about the candidate in question.
True, references are bloody useless.
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
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MidwestLimey wrote:
I've never worked anywhere longer then 2.5 yrs
ouch... that would be a big strike here.... not that we expect people to stay forever, but 2.5 years longest means we are training you to benefit someone else never us. that's not a great incentive to any employer.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
First job out of uni sucked, so I left after 18 months. Second job imploded in the bust after 2 yrs - probably still be there otherwise. 3rd job was fun for 2.5 yrs, but when presented with a 25% pay inrease, well what can you say :) Then contracting. Now here for over a year, total of >10 yrs. I'd say I'm fairly typical. I'll also add to that, that the only way I've found to keep salary parity with the market is to leave. A sad indictment to be sure, but that's been my experience.
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
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That is one thing I would at least question in the first interview from seeing that on a salary history.
John M. Drescher wrote:
That is one thing I would at least question in the first interview from seeing that on a salary history.
actually, in his message below, he is right, that is fairly common in the first 10 years, sometimes. I am one of the rare ones... a whole slew of jobs putting myself through school any way I could.... and then two jobs, though given contracting status, that second job has had multiple employers for the same desk. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Go figure. My rule of thumb has being any upfront salary question are not worth of pursing.. :^) If the discussion comes up after a lengthly interview, I am open to talk on ball-park range, which is very wide.
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Yusuf wrote:
I am open to talk on ball-park range, which is very wide.
Me too, I can easily be bribed with PTO and flexible working arrangments. Plus a short commute or just that 'cool' feeling when you walk into their building can be a great selling point.
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
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John M. Drescher wrote:
That is one thing I would at least question in the first interview from seeing that on a salary history.
actually, in his message below, he is right, that is fairly common in the first 10 years, sometimes. I am one of the rare ones... a whole slew of jobs putting myself through school any way I could.... and then two jobs, though given contracting status, that second job has had multiple employers for the same desk. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I have had two employers since I graduated in 1996. One was a small job at the university the other is my current job so I guess I am more rare. I know this (a long with my salary history) influences my position on this as an interviewer. As for his reply. I would have accepted a reply like that and it would have totally cleared up any the issue I had with that.
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Although I agree HR probably will want this more I think it is still useful for the interviewer. I mean if I see a candidate who consistently got 5% or better annual raises to me that says that the company rewarded him/her for their work.
John
But how would you check it anyway? Also, you don't know which raises were performance based, and which were inflation based.
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MidwestLimey wrote:
I've never worked anywhere longer then 2.5 yrs
ouch... that would be a big strike here.... not that we expect people to stay forever, but 2.5 years longest means we are training you to benefit someone else never us. that's not a great incentive to any employer.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
we are training you to benefit someone else never us
You get the benefits of all the previous training that you didn't pay for. What goes around comes around.
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I saw an advertisement for a job I am interested in, and they asked for a salary history. I have never seen that before and am curious as to exactly what is wanted. My current salary? The salary over the last 20 years? Any help is appreciated. Tim
Run away as fast as you can. The alarm bells should be ringing here. There are no legitimate reasons for wanting a Salary History.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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But how would you check it anyway? Also, you don't know which raises were performance based, and which were inflation based.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
But how would you check it anyway?
I agree you can not check.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Also, you don't know which raises were performance based, and which were inflation based.
In my area inflation has been pretty low for as long as I have had a job. So that is why I am interested in raises above 5%. And also looking at the actual numbers to try to draw some conclusions.
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I saw an advertisement for a job I am interested in, and they asked for a salary history. I have never seen that before and am curious as to exactly what is wanted. My current salary? The salary over the last 20 years? Any help is appreciated. Tim
The advice I've always heard, though I haven't managed to follow it at every job is the guy naming the price first usually ends up losing, so it's usually in your best interest to get them to name the figure first, even if it means avoiding the question a few times.
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The times when I had interviewed cantidates and they did not provide all of information that I wanted their chances of getting hired went down significantly.
John
John M. Drescher wrote:
The times when I had interviewed cantidates and they did not provide all of information that I wanted their chances of getting hired went down significantly.
The only time I have been asked this information was when I went for a job in the Australian arm of a privately owned US company. I knew what salary I wanted, roughly what they would pay and then blatantly lied about what I was currently earning and had in the past. I customised it so they saw what they wanted and I got what I wanted. Unless they get to see payslips it is a waste of time as they have no way of knowing what you have provided is correct and cannot ring up an employer and clarify.
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El Corazon wrote:
we are training you to benefit someone else never us
You get the benefits of all the previous training that you didn't pay for. What goes around comes around.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
You get the benefits of all the previous training that you didn't pay for.
This is so right!! Especially for someone who already has a number of years under his belt!! So This is a good deal.
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First job out of uni sucked, so I left after 18 months. Second job imploded in the bust after 2 yrs - probably still be there otherwise. 3rd job was fun for 2.5 yrs, but when presented with a 25% pay inrease, well what can you say :) Then contracting. Now here for over a year, total of >10 yrs. I'd say I'm fairly typical. I'll also add to that, that the only way I've found to keep salary parity with the market is to leave. A sad indictment to be sure, but that's been my experience.
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
MidwestLimey wrote:
I'll also add to that, that the only way I've found to keep salary parity with the market is to leave. A sad indictment to be sure, but that's been my experience.
Yep what companies think they save with low raises they might lose with high turnover. That's all a matter of optimization. And it happens often a company might save a lot of money by avoiding bad decisions by retaining skilled workers. But these things are usually hard to write down as numbers.
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The Salary History question is so they can try and not give you a sizable raise as well as weed out potential candidates. Normally I am not interested in such companies as it means they have HR that is a nightmare, however, the following answer always works, "My previous salaries are confidential, however, I am looking for a total compensation package of X";
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Normally I am not interested in such companies as it means they have HR that is a nightmare
:) ROTFL!!!! You are so lucky to be in a country where only some companies behave that way. Where I am this is common practice. So nightmare for all!!