Salary History
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MidwestLimey wrote:
I've never worked anywhere longer then 2.5 yrs
ouch... that would be a big strike here.... not that we expect people to stay forever, but 2.5 years longest means we are training you to benefit someone else never us. that's not a great incentive to any employer.
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El Corazon wrote:
we are training you to benefit someone else never us
You get the benefits of all the previous training that you didn't pay for. What goes around comes around.
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I saw an advertisement for a job I am interested in, and they asked for a salary history. I have never seen that before and am curious as to exactly what is wanted. My current salary? The salary over the last 20 years? Any help is appreciated. Tim
Run away as fast as you can. The alarm bells should be ringing here. There are no legitimate reasons for wanting a Salary History.
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But how would you check it anyway? Also, you don't know which raises were performance based, and which were inflation based.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
But how would you check it anyway?
I agree you can not check.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
Also, you don't know which raises were performance based, and which were inflation based.
In my area inflation has been pretty low for as long as I have had a job. So that is why I am interested in raises above 5%. And also looking at the actual numbers to try to draw some conclusions.
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I saw an advertisement for a job I am interested in, and they asked for a salary history. I have never seen that before and am curious as to exactly what is wanted. My current salary? The salary over the last 20 years? Any help is appreciated. Tim
The advice I've always heard, though I haven't managed to follow it at every job is the guy naming the price first usually ends up losing, so it's usually in your best interest to get them to name the figure first, even if it means avoiding the question a few times.
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The times when I had interviewed cantidates and they did not provide all of information that I wanted their chances of getting hired went down significantly.
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John M. Drescher wrote:
The times when I had interviewed cantidates and they did not provide all of information that I wanted their chances of getting hired went down significantly.
The only time I have been asked this information was when I went for a job in the Australian arm of a privately owned US company. I knew what salary I wanted, roughly what they would pay and then blatantly lied about what I was currently earning and had in the past. I customised it so they saw what they wanted and I got what I wanted. Unless they get to see payslips it is a waste of time as they have no way of knowing what you have provided is correct and cannot ring up an employer and clarify.
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El Corazon wrote:
we are training you to benefit someone else never us
You get the benefits of all the previous training that you didn't pay for. What goes around comes around.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
You get the benefits of all the previous training that you didn't pay for.
This is so right!! Especially for someone who already has a number of years under his belt!! So This is a good deal.
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First job out of uni sucked, so I left after 18 months. Second job imploded in the bust after 2 yrs - probably still be there otherwise. 3rd job was fun for 2.5 yrs, but when presented with a 25% pay inrease, well what can you say :) Then contracting. Now here for over a year, total of >10 yrs. I'd say I'm fairly typical. I'll also add to that, that the only way I've found to keep salary parity with the market is to leave. A sad indictment to be sure, but that's been my experience.
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MidwestLimey wrote:
I'll also add to that, that the only way I've found to keep salary parity with the market is to leave. A sad indictment to be sure, but that's been my experience.
Yep what companies think they save with low raises they might lose with high turnover. That's all a matter of optimization. And it happens often a company might save a lot of money by avoiding bad decisions by retaining skilled workers. But these things are usually hard to write down as numbers.
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The Salary History question is so they can try and not give you a sizable raise as well as weed out potential candidates. Normally I am not interested in such companies as it means they have HR that is a nightmare, however, the following answer always works, "My previous salaries are confidential, however, I am looking for a total compensation package of X";
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Normally I am not interested in such companies as it means they have HR that is a nightmare
:) ROTFL!!!! You are so lucky to be in a country where only some companies behave that way. Where I am this is common practice. So nightmare for all!!
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Run away as fast as you can. The alarm bells should be ringing here. There are no legitimate reasons for wanting a Salary History.
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I agree with this fully, no reason i can see for the question that suits your purpose.
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I saw an advertisement for a job I am interested in, and they asked for a salary history. I have never seen that before and am curious as to exactly what is wanted. My current salary? The salary over the last 20 years? Any help is appreciated. Tim
Nowadays if the prospective new employer seems to really want to know my current salary and bases their decision to hire me on what I am currently earning, as far as I am concerned I will not work for them. I am more interested in working for a business who are interested in my talent - and I have come to learn that money earned does not equal talent.
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I'm agree with you. They don't need to know about your actual salary, and less about your salary history.
They just need to know the latest pay and the amount of increment that is desired for and that can be accomodated by the newer organization.
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Sometimes, companies and recruiters use it to short circuit those beyond their salary band. I always thought it is a cruel way to start the process. I was talking to head-hunter once and he jumped into the question right away ME: Well, we have not even talked about the position and what I can offer HIM: I need to know how much you make now ME: I think the topic is about the new position HIM: I still want to know ME: I don't feel comfortable talking without knowing more about the current position HIM: Ok, give me a range ME: Ok that is simple between $1 and $100 Million HIM: can you be more specific ME: I make above what the junior egineer makes but below the VP. HIM: I think you are not interested. ME: How could I be interested if the only qualification needed is my salary history. HIM: Well, nice talking to you ME: Thank you for wasting my time. BTW can I charge you my hourly rate? HIM: OK, what is your hourly rate? ME: Give me your name and address and I will bill you. HIM: Hangs the phone. ME: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I think... he is not a head-hunter... he is just someone trying to do statistic on peoples salary... ;P see how the guy continue the conversation when you mention bout salary and hourly rate.... :laugh:
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The advice I've always heard, though I haven't managed to follow it at every job is the guy naming the price first usually ends up losing, so it's usually in your best interest to get them to name the figure first, even if it means avoiding the question a few times.
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HAM???? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I would simply not provide it. If they insist on it, then ask why. I've never provided it when requested and it was never a problem.
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You should go one better and do what I do - provide a hyped up salary - use the opportunity to your advantage to maximise the offer from your new employer - its always worked for me.... Lloyd.
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I saw an advertisement for a job I am interested in, and they asked for a salary history. I have never seen that before and am curious as to exactly what is wanted. My current salary? The salary over the last 20 years? Any help is appreciated. Tim
I think they just want to get a feel for if you're trying to make a jump, for example, from a $50K to a $100K job. I have been asked for my recent salary history informally (not on paper) after I had gotten through early interview stages. Especially if you're applying for a job in the same geographical market (that is, not from Silicon Valley to some podunk town where the salary is a fraction), they just want to make sure you're not trying to take advantage. Of course, I always feel like my salary should be entirely based on how much money I can earn for the company, regardless of how much I had been paid. You have to be pretty diplomatic and a good negotiator to discuss this with your potential employer. If you're not trying to make a huge (i.e. more 25%) jump in salary, just be honest and give them a recent history. Usually, it's your starting and ending salary for the last few jobs. If it's a company you like, why not just be honest with them? You'll be better off.
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I saw an advertisement for a job I am interested in, and they asked for a salary history. I have never seen that before and am curious as to exactly what is wanted. My current salary? The salary over the last 20 years? Any help is appreciated. Tim
I'm getting that a lot of that these days, especially as you go after more senior positions. I just tell them since I don't care. They're actually surprised, not about my raises which are better than average, but about my pay jumps whenever I switch companies. I just tell them I hold out until I get what I want. :-)
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I saw an advertisement for a job I am interested in, and they asked for a salary history. I have never seen that before and am curious as to exactly what is wanted. My current salary? The salary over the last 20 years? Any help is appreciated. Tim
I've read all the responses to-date and agree with the folks that stated it's none of their business. You set your value and your worth by what you will accept. Anything else puts you at the mercy of a prospective employer. Certain people who don't have confidence in their own ability will accept whatever terms are presented to them and then play the "negotiating game" to get a couple dollars more. This allows companies to hire as cheaply as the market will bear. If the rest get better paying jobs in a market with many openings, and few qualified candidates, everyone starts looking for more money. This is why some employers are rated higher than others for providing consistently better salaries and benefits, and others hire on the cheap. You just need to know what process you will accept. I for one won't discuss salary history except to say that my current salary requirements are set above my previous, and that I will set my requirement after I know the role and responsibility I am about to undertake and after a real offer is made. The last time someone asked me for my rate, as an independent software architect and developer, I got it, and life was good. Only one caveat...non-HR recruiters will ask for salary history to know where they can look because they know what people are paying. This information is not shared and you can still refuse, but the worst case here, and I've had it happen to me, is that someone can negotiate a salary for you that is not acceptable, leaving all parties flabbergasted. :doh:
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I think they just want to get a feel for if you're trying to make a jump, for example, from a $50K to a $100K job. I have been asked for my recent salary history informally (not on paper) after I had gotten through early interview stages. Especially if you're applying for a job in the same geographical market (that is, not from Silicon Valley to some podunk town where the salary is a fraction), they just want to make sure you're not trying to take advantage. Of course, I always feel like my salary should be entirely based on how much money I can earn for the company, regardless of how much I had been paid. You have to be pretty diplomatic and a good negotiator to discuss this with your potential employer. If you're not trying to make a huge (i.e. more 25%) jump in salary, just be honest and give them a recent history. Usually, it's your starting and ending salary for the last few jobs. If it's a company you like, why not just be honest with them? You'll be better off.
HR Departments are not known to be honest, at least at the several rather large companies I've worked for. They are trying to get you for as little as possible, or will pay a specific amount above what you were recently making. If you were getting 85K, maybe they'll pay you 90K, but you want 115K. If you can get 115K why even entertain the 90K? Now you cannot negotiate, so it becomes a waste of time. There is no reason an employer or and HR department ever needs to know your salary history. And, no matter what, don’t lie. Once you tell them your history it becomes public record. If you lie, they will find out and you will be fired. Anyone disagree?:suss:
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very often the person doing the hiring is not the one interested in the salary history. but rather it's the HR folks who are usually the ones interested. giving salary history is not a requirement of doing a job and if you don't want to hire me because i don't provide salary history so you can try to get me "on the cheap" then i don't want to work for you.
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I totally agree. Companies have no business knowing your previous salary. The only thing they need to be concerned with is what your current salary requirements are in order to get you on board at the company now. That whole game of "what did you make previously" I've only seen used by companies to make marginal increments on salary in the offer letter. What you made previously should not be a factor in the hiring company's decision on how good of an employee you are, how you will perform at the company, or anything else. Even if what you made before was a lot higher and you're taking a pay decrease in order to take a more desirable/fullfilling position, they don't need to know that. If they ask for the information, simply tell them that's not up for discussion and that you're only going to discuss the offered position's salary range and/or your current salary requirements so you can come to a hiring agreement.
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The salary over the last 20 years?
I would say that is what they wanted. Possibly it is to see how many times you have had raises...
John
Asking for 20 years of salary history seems kinda silly. If I go back 20 years, my salary was around $26,000. I see no value in that for today's salary ranges. If I list out the one's I can think of, it would look like: $26,000 $38,000 - moved to California $42,000 $110,000 - dot com era $40,000 - dot com bust $42,000 $60,000 When ever I got a big raise, it was because I changed jobs. Most of the placed I was at had a pay range between 2.5 to 3.0% - not much of a raise.