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  • C Chris Maunder

    I just wanted to have a brief rant. ahem. I think naming the WinFX extensions ".NET 3.0" (that work on the 2.0 CLR) instead of .NET 2.5 was dumb, and then naming the next version .NET 3.5 instead of 3.0 and having it run on the 2.0 CLR instead of the 3.0 CLR wasn't quite dumb, just messy. End of rant. (For the explanation read Brad Adams' blog entry[^])

    cheers, Chris Maunder

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    Erik Funkenbusch
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    Where have you been? This all happened over a year ago. Yeah, maybe it's hitting home now. There was a HUGE ruckus on the various blogs when this was announced. It was apparently a purely marketing thing, and the VS people just resigned themselves to it as a war they couldn't win. My guess is that the next runtime will mysteriously be called version 4 or 5 (depends on how many mid-level runtimes we get).

    -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

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    • E Erik Funkenbusch

      Where have you been? This all happened over a year ago. Yeah, maybe it's hitting home now. There was a HUGE ruckus on the various blogs when this was announced. It was apparently a purely marketing thing, and the VS people just resigned themselves to it as a war they couldn't win. My guess is that the next runtime will mysteriously be called version 4 or 5 (depends on how many mid-level runtimes we get).

      -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

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      Anton Afanasyev
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      Erik Funkenbusch wrote:

      My guess is that the next runtime will mysteriously be called version 4 or 5 (depends on how many mid-level runtimes we get).

      No. The next thing after dotNet is gonna be commaNet

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        Where have you been? This all happened over a year ago. Yeah, maybe it's hitting home now. There was a HUGE ruckus on the various blogs when this was announced. It was apparently a purely marketing thing, and the VS people just resigned themselves to it as a war they couldn't win. My guess is that the next runtime will mysteriously be called version 4 or 5 (depends on how many mid-level runtimes we get).

        -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

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        Chris Maunder
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        I had a good rant a year ago. This rant reprise.

        cheers, Chris Maunder

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        • C Chris Maunder

          I received a resume today where the applicant said he had experience in C# 3.5. It just hurt, you know, deep down.

          cheers, Chris Maunder

          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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          Scott Dorman
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          Chris Maunder wrote:

          I received a resume today where the applicant said he had experience in C# 3.5.

          Ouch. I know the feeling.

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          • C Chris Maunder

            I received a resume today where the applicant said he had experience in C# 3.5. It just hurt, you know, deep down.

            cheers, Chris Maunder

            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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            Mladen Jankovic
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            Did he mention how many years of experience he have? 2 years? 3 or more? :doh:

            Mostly, when you see programmers, they aren't doing anything. One of the attractive things about programmers is that you cannot tell whether or not they are working simply by looking at them. Very often they're sitting there seemingly drinking coffee and gossiping, or just staring into space. What the programmer is trying to do is get a handle on all the individual and unrelated ideas that are scampering around in his head. (Charles M Strauss)

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              Did he mention how many years of experience he have? 2 years? 3 or more? :doh:

              Mostly, when you see programmers, they aren't doing anything. One of the attractive things about programmers is that you cannot tell whether or not they are working simply by looking at them. Very often they're sitting there seemingly drinking coffee and gossiping, or just staring into space. What the programmer is trying to do is get a handle on all the individual and unrelated ideas that are scampering around in his head. (Charles M Strauss)

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              Chris Maunder
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              I've seen "8 years experience in C#".

              cheers, Chris Maunder

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              • C Chris Maunder

                I just wanted to have a brief rant. ahem. I think naming the WinFX extensions ".NET 3.0" (that work on the 2.0 CLR) instead of .NET 2.5 was dumb, and then naming the next version .NET 3.5 instead of 3.0 and having it run on the 2.0 CLR instead of the 3.0 CLR wasn't quite dumb, just messy. End of rant. (For the explanation read Brad Adams' blog entry[^])

                cheers, Chris Maunder

                CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                Rei Miyasaka
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                I'd say it's both messy and dumb, because the decision was made as part of the dumb decision to rename WinFX. (And of course, my angry petition[^] just for old time's sake.) By the way, I wonder if Jason Zander being moved to the Visual Studio team had anything to do with his being largely responsible for this whole mess?

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                • E Erik Funkenbusch

                  Where have you been? This all happened over a year ago. Yeah, maybe it's hitting home now. There was a HUGE ruckus on the various blogs when this was announced. It was apparently a purely marketing thing, and the VS people just resigned themselves to it as a war they couldn't win. My guess is that the next runtime will mysteriously be called version 4 or 5 (depends on how many mid-level runtimes we get).

                  -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

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                  Rei Miyasaka
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                  I'd prefer they call it .NET 2010 or something just so that we can have a fresh start somewhere far away from the wretched 3 and 3.5.

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                    I'd say it's both messy and dumb, because the decision was made as part of the dumb decision to rename WinFX. (And of course, my angry petition[^] just for old time's sake.) By the way, I wonder if Jason Zander being moved to the Visual Studio team had anything to do with his being largely responsible for this whole mess?

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                    Steve Echols
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                    That's a great petition and, had I known about it, I would've signed it! I'm beginning to think that petitions in general rarely work (can anyone point me to any significant ones that have?)


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                    • R Rei Miyasaka

                      I'd prefer they call it .NET 2010 or something just so that we can have a fresh start somewhere far away from the wretched 3 and 3.5.

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                      Like how they went from 98 to 2000 to XP to Vista to ... 7?

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        I just wanted to have a brief rant. ahem. I think naming the WinFX extensions ".NET 3.0" (that work on the 2.0 CLR) instead of .NET 2.5 was dumb, and then naming the next version .NET 3.5 instead of 3.0 and having it run on the 2.0 CLR instead of the 3.0 CLR wasn't quite dumb, just messy. End of rant. (For the explanation read Brad Adams' blog entry[^])

                        cheers, Chris Maunder

                        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                        Christian Graus
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                        But, before they did that, people were *confused* ( so the official rationale for the decision goes )

                        Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          I received a resume today where the applicant said he had experience in C# 3.5. It just hurt, you know, deep down.

                          cheers, Chris Maunder

                          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                          Ajit Shekhawat
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                          May be his mean that he has experience in .NET 3.5 and using C# programming language and this guy don't know that C# version is different from .NEt version or it can be a typo. I think it does not matter if he is a good programmer and can do program for you. Thanks and Regards, Ajit

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                          • C Chris Maunder

                            I've seen "8 years experience in C#".

                            cheers, Chris Maunder

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                            Rajesh R Subramanian
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                            Chris Maunder wrote:

                            I've seen "8 years experience in C#".

                            I've seen companies asking for 8 years experienced candidates in C#. He must go there. Together, they can make deadly combination. :laugh:

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                            • Steve EcholsS Steve Echols

                              That's a great petition and, had I known about it, I would've signed it! I'm beginning to think that petitions in general rarely work (can anyone point me to any significant ones that have?)


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                              eViLegion
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                              Yeah - I signed a petition 4 years ago to bring Childrens classic "The Trap Door" out on DVD as I couldn't find it anywhere. I'm now a proud owner. ;)

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                              • C Chris Maunder

                                I've seen "8 years experience in C#".

                                cheers, Chris Maunder

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                                Lost User
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                                Chris Maunder wrote:

                                I've seen "8 years experience in C#".

                                I have at least 27. I'm sure I was having piano lessona back in 1981.

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                                  Like how they went from 98 to 2000 to XP to Vista to ... 7?

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                                  Member 3552431 wrote:

                                  Like how they went from 98 to 2000 to XP to Vista to ... 7?

                                  Isn't it only code name? Do you think it will be sold as Windows 7?


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                                  • A Anton Afanasyev

                                    Erik Funkenbusch wrote:

                                    My guess is that the next runtime will mysteriously be called version 4 or 5 (depends on how many mid-level runtimes we get).

                                    No. The next thing after dotNet is gonna be commaNet

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                                    brian8655
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                                    Actually, wouldn't it be slashNet?

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                                    • C Chris Maunder

                                      I received a resume today where the applicant said he had experience in C# 3.5. It just hurt, you know, deep down.

                                      cheers, Chris Maunder

                                      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                      Fabio Franco
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                                      ROFL!!!! Don't you get teased to reply him with a very explanatory reason why you will not interview him so he won't make the same mistake again?

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                                      • A Ajit Shekhawat

                                        May be his mean that he has experience in .NET 3.5 and using C# programming language and this guy don't know that C# version is different from .NEt version or it can be a typo. I think it does not matter if he is a good programmer and can do program for you. Thanks and Regards, Ajit

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                                        Fabio Franco
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                                        I disagree, if you want to work with something you must at least know a bit of what you are talking about, it doesn't matter if he is an expert in JAVA and knows nothing of C# if that is what he is going to work with. First, learn the language/tool, then you can go for it. This just proves he "lied" about his expertise and I think that is enough reason to not give him a job.

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                                        • C Chris Maunder

                                          I've seen "8 years experience in C#".

                                          cheers, Chris Maunder

                                          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                          garachen
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                                          I've seen a job description ASK for 10+ years experience in .NET (this was 3 years ago). I told them that their application pool *might* include the one person who was dreaming .NET up back then.

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