ISO abuse?

jond777

In a word, yes. I believe they are given a number that can be verified with ISO diretories of registered companies. I'm sure you could find out more at ISO's web site[^].

Chris Losinger

at the very least

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leppie

Thanks :)

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Maximilien

my product does not go higher than ISO800, but the best results are done with ISO200.

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Marc Clifton

As with any other regulation, standard, requirement, or what have you, it's a way to reach into your pocket and take your money by hiring one or more doofuses that have been "certified" to then certify you. The world has become certifiable. Marc

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martin_hughes

Yes, and they also need to be audited annually if they want to keep it.

Lost User

Remeber with ISO9001 (and others I should think) customers can conduct infromal audits to make sure you really doing what you claim.

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martin_hughes

And you can also tell them to sod off when they try :)

Xiangyang Liu

You are only going to ISO 8583? My former company reached ISO 9000 more than 10 years ago. Here is what it takes: The company had a meeting with directors, each director had a meeting with the managers below, and each manager ... The meeting talks about documentation, process, etc. You don't have to read any of the documents created by you or others, you don't even have to know where they are stored, but you must know who to ask when those things are needed. Whether the person you are going to ask knows the answer or not is not your concern.. P.S. Don't be surprised by the perfect circles generated by the wonderful ISO certification: Person A depends on Person B, Person B depends on Person C, ... Person Y depends on Person Z, Person Z depends on, mmm, Person A of course! Person Z is at the end of alphabet, whom do you think he can depend on??? :-D

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leppie

They only sell ISO100 here :sigh: ;P

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leppie · modified on Friday, March 14, 2008 9:55 AM

I was purely asking as company X claims "ISO 8583 Protocol Response Codes" in their documentation which seems to be BS. Maybe they were trying conform originally... A further quote: "All the Response messages contain a response code field. This is an alphanumeric field with a length of 2 characters and its values correspond with the ISO 8583 Protocol."

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Xiangyang Liu

leppie wrote:

I was purely asking as company X claims "ISO 8583 Protocol Response Codes" in their documentation which seems to be BS.

Ok. And I was just looking for excuse to rant ... Sorry.

leppie wrote:

This is an alphanumeric field with a length of 2 characters and its values correspond with the ISO 8583 Protocol.

There is another good one, but I will pass this time.

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AleksandarK

Well, this is some misunderstanding with regards of 8583, you can certify that your application is conforming 8583 (of so called "Deluxe") standard with financial organization through which your application sends/receives transactional messages. Best is certification with the regulatory body for financial transactions in the region/state/province; and they should have valid reference number of that certification at least. By submitting to certification, you should be able to prove that interface of application (in whatever state it might be) can handle ISO 8583 messages. Addendum on ISO8583 manual describes messages to the detail and what the answering messages should look like to pass certification. Ohterwise you can claim that your mesage handling is ISO8583 "conoformant" - tha you can receive and properly respond to baseline set of messages. There is als Base24 and X11 standards for financial messaging. Technically Bank (this is from my experience) have to certify itself for all protocols it handles with regulatory body inthe region/province/state and with entity who has switch (concetrator) and not with ISO entity at all.

AleksandarK

Ooh I see now - no way that response is only two character in the length - yes first two are imortant, but is definitely longer that. Some of them probably finished reading of the manual on that line, and in infinite wisdom, decided that is all they need. I would like to see how they handle ISO8583 110 message, for example?

leppie

No, they actually define there own set of response codes. I am not actually sure if the ISO information is even relevant as this is a web service I am dealing with and not some socket. It appears to me this is a case of AlmostXML(tm). It looks like XML, it smells like XML, but it is not XML. :sigh:

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leppie

TMI!!! ;P

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