Why Vista sucks
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Vista has too much crap in it. At least we can turn off the UAC and get rid of that stupid eye-candy crap. However, the file manager sucks. I hate it. I agree with what someone else said - we need a switch labeled "Make it look and work like XP".
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
we need a switch labeled "Make it look and work like XP".
Once you switch the eye candy and the security nanny off, what's left in Vista that you don't have in XP? I've not used Vista yet, as we're not targeting it at work and my home machine is so old it couldn't run it.
Software Zen:
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...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Maybe something is wrong with me. But I really like Vista. ( I might be the only one ) For example. My dad got Vista on his new computer he got last year and it have saved ME a lot of work trying to fix the system. Since he is a click on everything guy. So when he is trying to delete\move files that he should not delete or change something he should not. He will now be presented with a UAC dialog but since he is running a standard user he can't just click "Okey". He needs to enter a password and he know that if he needs to enter that, Then he done something bad. And the "Previous Version" feature have saved him a lot of times because he often opens an old document and use it as a template when writing a new one and often he forget to do "save as" and he overwrites his old document. But now he can retrieve it fast with doing "previous version" on the folder. But I have to admit that It took me a day to show him how all the new stuff worked, And now when he been using it for some month and got used to it, I get less support calls from him then when he was running XP. But not everything is good with Vista. For example the new explorer was not my friend for a while. It took some time to get used to. ------ A satisfied Vista user.
I think the core problem with Vista is that "if it runs it runs fine, but if it fails, it fails badly".
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
we need a switch labeled "Make it look and work like XP".
Once you switch the eye candy and the security nanny off, what's left in Vista that you don't have in XP? I've not used Vista yet, as we're not targeting it at work and my home machine is so old it couldn't run it.
Software Zen:
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Fold With Us![^]Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
Once you switch the eye candy and the security nanny off, what's left in Vista that you don't have in XP?
An operating system that still has support from it's manufacturer and hardware manufacturers. You can't argue the fact that XP will eventually go the way of Win2K. Eventually, XP support will fade away. I'd love to run XP/64, but how can I if none of the new hardware coming out will have drivers? My new laptop is a fine example. I can find drivers for XP32, Vista32, and Vista64, but nothing for XP64. That pretty much eliminates that OS from consideration if I want to fully exploit my laptop's hardware.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Maybe something is wrong with me. But I really like Vista. ( I might be the only one ) For example. My dad got Vista on his new computer he got last year and it have saved ME a lot of work trying to fix the system. Since he is a click on everything guy. So when he is trying to delete\move files that he should not delete or change something he should not. He will now be presented with a UAC dialog but since he is running a standard user he can't just click "Okey". He needs to enter a password and he know that if he needs to enter that, Then he done something bad. And the "Previous Version" feature have saved him a lot of times because he often opens an old document and use it as a template when writing a new one and often he forget to do "save as" and he overwrites his old document. But now he can retrieve it fast with doing "previous version" on the folder. But I have to admit that It took me a day to show him how all the new stuff worked, And now when he been using it for some month and got used to it, I get less support calls from him then when he was running XP. But not everything is good with Vista. For example the new explorer was not my friend for a while. It took some time to get used to. ------ A satisfied Vista user.
Great in theory, and this is exactly how Microsoft wants it to be used. But it's not how Vista Home Premium came setup on his HP. He's running as the only user on the machine and he has admin rights. UAC pops up and he clicks 'OK' like he's been trained to click OK to everything 'Allow a cookie to be saved?' OK 'Allow this application to run?' OK 'Allow this installer to install a rootkit, key word logger, spamware, mallware, mail forwarder full spam zombie setup and worm factory?' *click* OK.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Vista has a more professional business style UI. They did that to get rid of the cartoonish XP. However, there really has never been a user friendly OS for the under-educated. When you were a teenager learning to drive you took a class to help. There are tutorials for all new OS that come out to help with the change. Unless there is a profound change in the actual computer itself and how it operates then this will continue to be the case and people will rant and rave until the old OS goes away for good (as did win 95,98,ME, etc.)
I may be Green, but at least I'm environmentally friendly.
justfunnin wrote:
Vista has a more professional business style UI. They did that to get rid of the cartoonish XP.
I never had a problem with the look of XP. OTOH I do like the look of Vista and the latest Vista-style Windows Live apps. they've been producing.
Kevin
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I think it's bad when a company has a product that is so bad that even advocates complain about, and yet we all will eventually be forced to use it. MS just has too much power
I honestly cannot see anything that is going to force me to move to Vista in the next 18-24 months, the timeframe for Windows 7. I'm buying a Mac for home and will be running parallels so if Microsoft brings out a 'Oh My God I Must Have That" application I'll run it under parallels. And if Windows 7 is just too plain horrible for words, or is a mess, or there's something way better than Windows 7 out there that the industry is moving to because of increased productivity, usefulness, or just a "It's time for a change" then I'll be flexible and move along too. I truly do hope, though,that before Windows 7 gets too far along Microsoft goes into the room of mirrors, sits down, and has a good, hard look.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Marc goes where angels fear to tread... I'm just going to close that message and move on. Nothing to see...
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Hey What's wrong with an Option in Vista like 'Works Like XP' Even XP had a way of looking and feeling like Win98 If it had that option for most of us in Europe who have no need for the useless new security features, we might actually buy Vista voluntarily. I know No One who has Vista by choice. People have it because it is forced down their throat!
Bram van Kampen
Bram van Kampen wrote:
What's wrong with an Option in Vista like 'Works Like XP'
It's to expensive. (That doesn#t mean I don't want to have it, too! :D)
Bram van Kampen wrote:
If it had that option for most of us in Europe who have no need for the useless new security features,
How is Europe different in that respect?
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Vista was built to run with Longhorn.(originally they were one program) It was also built to run with Forefront Security Client. The three together set up in a business environment properly works like it's supposed to, but you've got companies cutting corners, not upgrading machines or servers(so you have a mixed system), and trying to run a bunch of Vista machines with Windows 2003 Server.(Hello people, new OS and old technology never work well, you must constantly update and upgrade and patch etc, etc until we construct a self-thinking upgrading computer that will do it for us) :-D
I may be Green, but at least I'm environmentally friendly.
justfunnin wrote:
works like it's supposed to
So my father in law's HP computer with Vista - not working with his HP camera or HP printer - that's his fault, because Vista is working like it is supposed to? Give me a break. This is a desktop personal computer, not some corporate IT-supported mainframe, and it's a piece of crap! I saw no requirement for installing Forefront Security Client - never heard of it before.
justfunnin wrote:
Hello people, new OS and old technology never work well, you must constantly update and upgrade and patch etc, etc
Yeah, the HP camera was 2 months old. Throw it away and get a new one? BS. I now have DSL internet service and my 20 year old push-button phone still works. My 25 year old TV still works even though I have new cable that wasn't even available when the TV was built! Is justfunnin actually Bill Gates in disguise?
Gary
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Vista has a more professional business style UI. They did that to get rid of the cartoonish XP. However, there really has never been a user friendly OS for the under-educated. When you were a teenager learning to drive you took a class to help. There are tutorials for all new OS that come out to help with the change. Unless there is a profound change in the actual computer itself and how it operates then this will continue to be the case and people will rant and rave until the old OS goes away for good (as did win 95,98,ME, etc.)
I may be Green, but at least I'm environmentally friendly.
justfunnin wrote:
Vista has a more professional business style UI.
I must vehemently disagree. Nothing about the UI is "business style." It's all play-time, whiz bang stuff. Does nothing that I can see for better business use. Aero is for business - don't think so. :mad:
Gary
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That's as scary as my mother showing up in the gym I work out in. It's damned weird when you realize the little gray haired lady on the treadmill a couple of machines down is your mom.
Software Zen:
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Great in theory, and this is exactly how Microsoft wants it to be used. But it's not how Vista Home Premium came setup on his HP. He's running as the only user on the machine and he has admin rights. UAC pops up and he clicks 'OK' like he's been trained to click OK to everything 'Allow a cookie to be saved?' OK 'Allow this application to run?' OK 'Allow this installer to install a rootkit, key word logger, spamware, mallware, mail forwarder full spam zombie setup and worm factory?' *click* OK.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
we need a switch labeled "Make it look and work like XP".
Once you switch the eye candy and the security nanny off, what's left in Vista that you don't have in XP? I've not used Vista yet, as we're not targeting it at work and my home machine is so old it couldn't run it.
Software Zen:
delete this;
Fold With Us![^] -
I honestly cannot see anything that is going to force me to move to Vista in the next 18-24 months, the timeframe for Windows 7. I'm buying a Mac for home and will be running parallels so if Microsoft brings out a 'Oh My God I Must Have That" application I'll run it under parallels. And if Windows 7 is just too plain horrible for words, or is a mess, or there's something way better than Windows 7 out there that the industry is moving to because of increased productivity, usefulness, or just a "It's time for a change" then I'll be flexible and move along too. I truly do hope, though,that before Windows 7 gets too far along Microsoft goes into the room of mirrors, sits down, and has a good, hard look.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
We poor dinosaur bastards still developing client applications :(
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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In a way, yes. I selected Vista Home (vs. a more expensive alternative) when I ordered the laptop since I knew I was going to blow it away. I installed XP from my MSDN subscription (which I got for free from Microsoft). /ravi
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Chris Maunder wrote:
he clicks 'OK' like he's been trained to click OK to everything
Yep, same thing with my father in law. The terms are not things he even understands. When in doubt, click OK.
Gary
They are mere obstacles that offer feeble resistance to a user's pursuit to achieve his goal. Waste no time reading those. In many cases, even many of us tech literates end up doing the same thing. Although, we may realize the folly immediately after we hit the OK button.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.
Yeah. The way I figure it, Steve Balmer's boyfriend must ask him to wear two c.... for extra protection, and that sort of made its way into the Vista philosophy. ok, that was my sick and twisted comment for the week. Marc
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I honestly cannot see anything that is going to force me to move to Vista in the next 18-24 months, the timeframe for Windows 7. I'm buying a Mac for home and will be running parallels so if Microsoft brings out a 'Oh My God I Must Have That" application I'll run it under parallels. And if Windows 7 is just too plain horrible for words, or is a mess, or there's something way better than Windows 7 out there that the industry is moving to because of increased productivity, usefulness, or just a "It's time for a change" then I'll be flexible and move along too. I truly do hope, though,that before Windows 7 gets too far along Microsoft goes into the room of mirrors, sits down, and has a good, hard look.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
I honestly cannot see anything that is going to force me to move to Vista in the next 18-24 months
With an MSDN subscription, and with the machine used for development purposes, it is not much of an issue. But, home users buying a new computer have some issues. For example: Dell will not sell a home computer/notebook with XP on it. The alternative available is to buy a business computer that is priced much higher for a similar configuration.
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I bought it by choice and it works 10 times better than XP.
I may be Green, but at least I'm environmentally friendly.
