Why was the post moved?
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Alan's post about Senator Kennedy's letter did not violate the lounge's posting guidelines as far as I can tell. It was
- kid-sister safe
- not a flame war (this one has more to do with responders than the original poster)
- not abusive
- not an ad
- not a programming question
So, Mister Sitemaster, why was the post moved?
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Alan Balkany wrote:
1. The Democrats and Republicans have collaborated to export US jobs to low-wage countries.
And a good number of people who post on the Lounge are from these low-wage countries. So maybe they don't want to see pro-Nader posts. In fact I bet most of them have never heard of Nader and it doesn't look very likely that that's going to change :-)
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
In fact I bet most of them have never heard of Nader and it doesn't look very likely that that's going to change
Is he the hick cousin of Darth Vader? BTW - who is Nader? Those of us from none low-wage countries don't know who he is either. Clinton, Obama and that Republican guy - we've heard of them. Darth Nader? Nope - no idea.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
In fact I bet most of them have never heard of Nader and it doesn't look very likely that that's going to change
Is he the hick cousin of Darth Vader? BTW - who is Nader? Those of us from none low-wage countries don't know who he is either. Clinton, Obama and that Republican guy - we've heard of them. Darth Nader? Nope - no idea.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Those of us from none low-wage countries don't know who he is either. Clinton, Obama and that Republican guy - we've heard of them. Darth Nader? Nope - no idea. :laugh:
Regards, Nish
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Alan's post about Senator Kennedy's letter did not violate the lounge's posting guidelines as far as I can tell. It was
- kid-sister safe
- not a flame war (this one has more to do with responders than the original poster)
- not abusive
- not an ad
- not a programming question
So, Mister Sitemaster, why was the post moved?
The Code Project is for software developers. The lounge is (meant for) IT related whatever-you-want types of posts. Anything that's liable to cause a flame war belongs in the soapbox. Sex, religion and politics all go in the Soapbox. I want the Lounge to remain a place where we can discuss the IT industry and IT topics, and I want the lounge summary box on the homepage to reflect this. Discussions on stuff like politics get out of hand quickly, are relevant to only a minority of members, and, when they appear on the homepage do not reflect the purpose of The Code Project.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I'd like to second Ahmed's question. This is censorship! We would like an explanation from whoever censored this post. Why do you feel you have to censor a post that claims (with justification): 1. The Democrats and Republicans have collaborated to export US jobs to low-wage countries. 2. Despite Democrats' "concern" about working Americans, their presidential candidates haven't proposed withdrawing from NAFTA. 3. Ralph Nader is the only candidate to advocate withdrawing from NAFTA, implementing a single-payer universal health care system, and cutting the huge military budget. 4. The Democrats' and Republicans' funding by, and collaboration with, big corporations is fascist by definition. These are statements of fact! Did someone ask you to censor this post? If so, who? You are violating your own rules!
It's not censorship, it's moving the post into the correct forum. It is my job, as operator and founder of this site to ensure that the operation of the site proceeds in the best interest of the majority of the members. We have a long standing rule that anything inflammatory that is likely to result in flame wars (typically your class sex, religion and politics, sometimes at the same time) go in the Soapbox where you can go nuts. The Lounge is for discussions on the IT industry and is a showcase on the software community. It is not a forum for politics. If you don't agree with the way our online community for Software Developers operates you are free to post elsewhere.
cheers, Chris Maunder
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Censorship IS a public issue, and SHOULD BE discussed publicly. And there was no "trouble" before the censorship. We are entitled to ask questions.
Alan Balkany wrote:
Censorship IS a public issue, and SHOULD BE discussed publicly
Nobody is cesoring anybody. However, you don't put porn on the childrens channel. Just as you don't put flame bait in the lounge. There are specific places for each of these things.
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Censorship IS a public issue, and SHOULD BE discussed publicly. And there was no "trouble" before the censorship. We are entitled to ask questions.
Alan Balkany wrote:
Censorship IS a public issue, and SHOULD BE discussed publicly.
I guess you define censorship differently to me. Oh, and the dictionary "Action taken to prevent others from having access to a book or information; a public objection to words, subjects and/or information in books, films, and other media with the idea of depriving others from reading or viewing them."
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Alan Balkany wrote:
Censorship IS a public issue, and SHOULD BE discussed publicly
Nobody is cesoring anybody. However, you don't put porn on the childrens channel. Just as you don't put flame bait in the lounge. There are specific places for each of these things.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
However, you don't put porn on the childrens channel
I don't know about that. Teletubbies - hot Tinky Winky on LaLa action.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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It's not censorship, it's moving the post into the correct forum. It is my job, as operator and founder of this site to ensure that the operation of the site proceeds in the best interest of the majority of the members. We have a long standing rule that anything inflammatory that is likely to result in flame wars (typically your class sex, religion and politics, sometimes at the same time) go in the Soapbox where you can go nuts. The Lounge is for discussions on the IT industry and is a showcase on the software community. It is not a forum for politics. If you don't agree with the way our online community for Software Developers operates you are free to post elsewhere.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
It is my job, as operator and founder of this site
You forgot to add, international playboy and spy into that list.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
However, you don't put porn on the childrens channel
I don't know about that. Teletubbies - hot Tinky Winky on LaLa action.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Ooh La la!!!
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The Code Project is for software developers. The lounge is (meant for) IT related whatever-you-want types of posts. Anything that's liable to cause a flame war belongs in the soapbox. Sex, religion and politics all go in the Soapbox. I want the Lounge to remain a place where we can discuss the IT industry and IT topics, and I want the lounge summary box on the homepage to reflect this. Discussions on stuff like politics get out of hand quickly, are relevant to only a minority of members, and, when they appear on the homepage do not reflect the purpose of The Code Project.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Thanks. Fair enough. Perhaps a clarification of the guidelines at the top of the Lounge page would help.
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I disagree. Moving it to an obscure section IS censorship. Are you the one who did it? Did someone ask you to? If so, who?
Alan Balkany wrote:
Did someone ask you to? If so, who?
You did you idiot :doh: - posted it in this forum Take your politics to the Soapbox, which is only obscure to those not interested in the rubbish they discuss there. I loathe political and religious discussions.
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Thanks. Fair enough. Perhaps a clarification of the guidelines at the top of the Lounge page would help.
It already says it: No flame wars, no abusive conduct and please don't post ads.
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It already says it: No flame wars, no abusive conduct and please don't post ads.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
It already says it:
obviously it doesn't. He says no political posts, for instance, in his post, but it's not clear to me and many others that is not wanted.
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I'm not sure if it was ever explicit or not, but those are generally rules whenever you're in polite company. They're topics where all participants in discussion must either be in agreement, or willing to be civil in their responses... and we fulfill neither condition. ;)
Shog9 wrote:
willing to be civil
I may be an engineer, but I aint no civil engineer, dammit! :-D
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
It already says it:
obviously it doesn't. He says no political posts, for instance, in his post, but it's not clear to me and many others that is not wanted.
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A certain amount of common sense and personal responsibility are expected.
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John C wrote:
A certain amount of common sense and personal responsibility are expected.
So why have I been allowed to hang around here for so long?
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John C wrote:
A certain amount of common sense and personal responsibility are expected.
So why have I been allowed to hang around here for so long?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
What??!?!?! You're still here??? Someone call out the forum police, that lunatic's loose here again...
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John C wrote:
A certain amount of common sense and personal responsibility are expected.
So why have I been allowed to hang around here for so long?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
So why have I been allowed to hang around here for so long?
<not really thinking so> To fill the minority [insert defect here]-quota to make CP politically correct? :-\ </not really thinking so>
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It's not censorship, it's moving the post into the correct forum. It is my job, as operator and founder of this site to ensure that the operation of the site proceeds in the best interest of the majority of the members. We have a long standing rule that anything inflammatory that is likely to result in flame wars (typically your class sex, religion and politics, sometimes at the same time) go in the Soapbox where you can go nuts. The Lounge is for discussions on the IT industry and is a showcase on the software community. It is not a forum for politics. If you don't agree with the way our online community for Software Developers operates you are free to post elsewhere.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
"The Lounge is a place where you can discuss anything that takes your fancy. If you just want to laze about and discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere, then this is the place. Posting Guidelines: The Lounge is rated PG. If you're about to post something you wouldn't want your kid sister to read then don't post it. No flame wars, no abusive conduct and please don't post ads. Please do not post programming questions here. If you have a programming question then click here!." Hi Chris, I like your site and have been posting here for about a year. The Lounge is described as "...a place where you can discuss anything that takes your fancy...", and politics isn't even mentioned in the Posting Guidelines. So when my post was suddenly moved, it appeared to be censorship since the post didn't violate any of your stated constraints.