Sure it is the fault of Microsoft
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I was a VB.NET programmer 6 months ago. After successful 6 months implementation of ASP.NET projects I realized that I don’t know anything about client-server technology. :laugh: Now I am busy to learn it. While reading ASP.NET forums, I feel this is similar to everyone. Most of them unaware of this technology. I will blame Microsoft. Anyone can develop a web site without knowing the basis of web.
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I was a VB.NET programmer 6 months ago. After successful 6 months implementation of ASP.NET projects I realized that I don’t know anything about client-server technology. :laugh: Now I am busy to learn it. While reading ASP.NET forums, I feel this is similar to everyone. Most of them unaware of this technology. I will blame Microsoft. Anyone can develop a web site without knowing the basis of web.
Martin Jose wrote:
Anyone can develop a web site without knowing the basis of web.
Yes they are called web monkeys, and you have been used as one for the last 6 months. Time to read some books and develop your own programming skills. It is not just going to come to you in a dream or a Fedex package ;P
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I was a VB.NET programmer 6 months ago. After successful 6 months implementation of ASP.NET projects I realized that I don’t know anything about client-server technology. :laugh: Now I am busy to learn it. While reading ASP.NET forums, I feel this is similar to everyone. Most of them unaware of this technology. I will blame Microsoft. Anyone can develop a web site without knowing the basis of web.
Hi Martin, Hey, don't be too hard on yourself : the day any of us "wakes up" and realizes that we need to educate ourselves to a deeper level with any aspect of the technologies we use is ... imho ... a very good day ! :) Blaming MS, or any other company, or yourself is just a waste of time. Fortunately, for all of us, we have places like the CodeProject community to learn in, learn from, give back to as we can. I celebrate with you your new sense of curiousity. best, Bill
"The greater the social and cultural distances between people, the more magical the light that can spring from their contact." Milan Kundera in Testaments Trahis
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I was a VB.NET programmer 6 months ago. After successful 6 months implementation of ASP.NET projects I realized that I don’t know anything about client-server technology. :laugh: Now I am busy to learn it. While reading ASP.NET forums, I feel this is similar to everyone. Most of them unaware of this technology. I will blame Microsoft. Anyone can develop a web site without knowing the basis of web.
MS has provided a way for people to have no clue and still make someting that works. This is not a bad thing, except for those people who suddenly hit a brick wall, b/c they didn't take the time to understand what they were doing. You're right, this happens on the ASP.NET forum daily.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Martin Jose wrote:
Anyone can develop a web site without knowing the basis of web.
Yes they are called web monkeys, and you have been used as one for the last 6 months. Time to read some books and develop your own programming skills. It is not just going to come to you in a dream or a Fedex package ;P
xacc.ide - now with IronScheme support
IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 2 out nowleppie wrote:
they are called web monkeys
:laugh:
leppie wrote:
you have been used as one for the last 6 months
:-\ :-O
leppie wrote:
Time to read some books and develop your own programming skills.
Google is my best friend :)
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MS has provided a way for people to have no clue and still make someting that works. This is not a bad thing, except for those people who suddenly hit a brick wall, b/c they didn't take the time to understand what they were doing. You're right, this happens on the ASP.NET forum daily.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
they didn't take the time to understand what they were doing
May be they are lazy or unable to do that..
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MS has provided a way for people to have no clue and still make someting that works. This is not a bad thing, except for those people who suddenly hit a brick wall, b/c they didn't take the time to understand what they were doing. You're right, this happens on the ASP.NET forum daily.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
This is what scares me about Voltaire. Can you imagine some of the screw ups that are bound to come along when some chit that's one bit short of a byte that doesn't know what an IP Endpoint is from his mum's puckered lips works on that stuff.. :shudder:
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "The secret to a long and healthy life is simple. Don't get ill and don't die." Pete O'Hanlon, courtesy of Rama "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Hi Martin, Hey, don't be too hard on yourself : the day any of us "wakes up" and realizes that we need to educate ourselves to a deeper level with any aspect of the technologies we use is ... imho ... a very good day ! :) Blaming MS, or any other company, or yourself is just a waste of time. Fortunately, for all of us, we have places like the CodeProject community to learn in, learn from, give back to as we can. I celebrate with you your new sense of curiousity. best, Bill
"The greater the social and cultural distances between people, the more magical the light that can spring from their contact." Milan Kundera in Testaments Trahis
BillWoodruff wrote:
I celebrate with you your new sense of curiousity.
Lets go ahead! :-D P.S : I like thai people. One of my best friend is from there :)
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MS has provided a way for people to have no clue and still make someting that works. This is not a bad thing, except for those people who suddenly hit a brick wall, b/c they didn't take the time to understand what they were doing. You're right, this happens on the ASP.NET forum daily.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
This is not a bad thing
Shh! Don't let led mike hear you. :~ Personally I think it's great. Yesterday, for the first time, I used a FormView bound to a database, to allow the capture of new records with writing two lines of code, and these were to set default values for new records. Being able to get a small, prototype application like that out as quickly as possible allows me more time to start thinking about the bigger picture architecture and well generalised custom code.
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leppie wrote:
they are called web monkeys
:laugh:
leppie wrote:
you have been used as one for the last 6 months
:-\ :-O
leppie wrote:
Time to read some books and develop your own programming skills.
Google is my best friend :)
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No, that is not enough. Invest in a few good books.
Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.
Now I have enough work load and I am preparing for a university exam in computer science. I need more than 24 hours in a day :)
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No, that is not enough. Invest in a few good books.
Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.
Any small recommendation for me? A .net 3.5 with vb.net code-behind will server my purpose I guess, but not sure which one to choose? Thanks in advance.
Jwalant Natvarlal SonejiBE IT, India
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I was a VB.NET programmer 6 months ago. After successful 6 months implementation of ASP.NET projects I realized that I don’t know anything about client-server technology. :laugh: Now I am busy to learn it. While reading ASP.NET forums, I feel this is similar to everyone. Most of them unaware of this technology. I will blame Microsoft. Anyone can develop a web site without knowing the basis of web.
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Christian Graus wrote:
This is not a bad thing
Shh! Don't let led mike hear you. :~ Personally I think it's great. Yesterday, for the first time, I used a FormView bound to a database, to allow the capture of new records with writing two lines of code, and these were to set default values for new records. Being able to get a small, prototype application like that out as quickly as possible allows me more time to start thinking about the bigger picture architecture and well generalised custom code.
Ha I used a datasource object for the first time to tie an aspx page to a business object and then got lost looking for the code that manages the data :sigh: I still like managing the work myself but I got to admit the paging is effective.
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The people who only believe in their own abilities?
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Ha I used a datasource object for the first time to tie an aspx page to a business object and then got lost looking for the code that manages the data :sigh: I still like managing the work myself but I got to admit the paging is effective.
Its great when you want to churn out a demo app as fast as you can, but IMO, if you want anything robust, you need to write it out yourself.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "The secret to a long and healthy life is simple. Don't get ill and don't die." Pete O'Hanlon, courtesy of Rama "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Marc Clifton wrote:
There are two types of people in the world. The ones that post in ASP.NET forums are one type. Can you guess which one?
The ones who understand binary. ;)
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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MS has provided a way for people to have no clue and still make someting that works. This is not a bad thing, except for those people who suddenly hit a brick wall, b/c they didn't take the time to understand what they were doing. You're right, this happens on the ASP.NET forum daily.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
So what do you want? Software that's deliberatly hard so you have to learn the concepts before you can do anything!?! Give Microsoft a break, has the open source community produced anything better, I think not!