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  • 7 73Zeppelin

    Oakman wrote:

    In Liechtenstein? Your entire Principality is the size of the District of Columbia. Your foreign relations and defense are entrusted to Switzerland - which is armed to the f***ing teeth and has universal military service with every able bodied male conscripted to the army until the age of 30. What the hell would anyone in Liechtenstein know about defending himself?

    Don't know much about the Swiss, do you? They certainly aren't "armed to the teeth". Just in 2004 they cut their military personnel in half. I know, I've lived here for 5 years. Their army consists of regular guys (non-professionals, basically a militia) who aren't particularly interested in fighting and most find some way to get excused from military service. They are actually conscripted beyond 30, but the "conscription" consists of weekends spent camping in the woods and shooting at still targets. Their military infrastructure is also dated and falling apart. They just shut down their nuclear bunker in the Gotthard tunnel because it is structurally unstable and got severely reprimanded for an incursion into Liechtenstein: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/mar/02/markoliver The only plus is that the local government reserves a spot in the town nuclear shelter for you even if you're a foreigner. Contrary to popular belief, it's also not very expensive. They also have a nasty habit of recording everything you do and intercept and keep all electronic communications and emails entering or exiting the country for a period of 1-3 years.


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    Just goes to show you, I'm older than I think I am. The Swiss used to be a porkupine nation. The next thing you're going to tell me is that the Pope has fired the Swiss Guards and hired Blackwater.

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    • R Rob Graham

      Psst... You're an idiot.

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      Oakman
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      Rob Graham wrote:

      Psst... You're an idiot.

      Nawww. He's just a little baby. Throw him back and wait until he's old enough to fry up.

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      • C CataclysmicQuantum

        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

        Shoplifting is a tax-of-sorts on those who are honest. By that I mean, every item you steal, somebody has to pay for it

        Well most normal people don't buy cough medicine that only contains DXM. Its worthless for coughs anyways. Most people who buy it get high on it. People who genuinely use DXM for coughs buy it mixed with tylonal, and an antihistimine. Trust me, if I could find an easy way to buy pure DXM powder in bulk online, I would, its so much cheaper. The DEA doesn't like that though, fucking bastards.

        The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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        Excuses, excuses. The only free lunch I know is a software company called (surprise, surprise) http://www.freelunchdesign.com/[^]

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        • realJSOPR realJSOP

          According to early reports, it appears as if the DC handgun ban will be struck down as being unconstitutional. If true, this will be a substantial victory for all patriots. For the uninitiated, the 2nd amendment does not *grant* the right to keep/bear arms, it says that the right shall not be infringed, meaning the right already existed as a natural right and thus cannot be taken away. Also, the 2nd amendment does not restrict the types of arms you may keep/bear.

          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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          jhwurmbach
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          John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

          Also, the 2nd amendment does not restrict the types of arms you may keep/bear.

          I take a bunch of Stingers then. I am living near the Airport, and sometimes the sound starts to annoy me. Oh, and do they still need the USS Iowa?

          Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
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          • C CataclysmicQuantum

            Its not that he stole a bike, he knocked a kid off of it to take it. Yes, he needs shot.

            The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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            jhwurmbach
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            You definitely had enough syrup.

            Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
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            • J jhwurmbach

              You definitely had enough syrup.

              Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
              Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency"

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              CataclysmicQuantum
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              I just got 780mg of DXM for tonight ;P Don't know if I'm going to take it all or not. I usually do 300mg once or twice a week.

              The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                As someone who lives in a country where there are few guns (contrary to what the Daily Mail might have you believe) and where the vast majority of policemen are unarmed and where I have never even considered owning a gun I do not understand the fuss. What, exactly, do you need a gun for?

                bin the spin home

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                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                digital man wrote:

                What, exactly, do you need a gun for?

                Primarily to protect us from tyranical gov't, or from invaders such as the Britsh were 200 years ago.

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                  I just got 780mg of DXM for tonight ;P Don't know if I'm going to take it all or not. I usually do 300mg once or twice a week.

                  The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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                  jhwurmbach
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                  Wow, 300mg is about 10x the therapeutic (anti-cough) dose, isn't it? Anyway, happy horror trip! --Edit: Completely reversed the meaning of my text. I got the doses wrong.--

                  Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
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                    Either there was some point in history where the 'right' came into existence, or the US has existed through all time, the 'right' included along with it. Now, assuming that it is the former as opposed to the latter (although I could be swayed on the issue) then that 'right' must have come OUT OF somewhere. I don't think it's a law of nature that everyone can own a gun (assumed simply for the sake of the argument), so I'm assuming that someone came up with the notion that everyone can have a gun. That makes it an idea.

                    Richard of York gave battle in vain.

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                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                    Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                    I don't think it's a law of nature that everyone can own a gun

                    It certainly *is* a law of nature that one can defend oneself, even if it means killing the attacker. A gun is a necessary implement of defense in a modern society. Therefore, owning a gun for self-defense *is* indeed a natural right.

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                    • J jhwurmbach

                      Wow, 300mg is about 10x the therapeutic (anti-cough) dose, isn't it? Anyway, happy horror trip! --Edit: Completely reversed the meaning of my text. I got the doses wrong.--

                      Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
                      Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency"

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                      CataclysmicQuantum
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                      jhwurmbach wrote:

                      --Edit: Completely reversed the meaning of my text. I got the doses wrong.--

                      I was about to call you an idiot, but I see that you changed it. :laugh:

                      jhwurmbach wrote:

                      Anyway, happy horror trip!

                      As long as I am listening to music, and posting in the soapbox, the trip cant go wrong. I have done close to 1gram in one night, and I didn't loose my head.

                      The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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                      • O Oakman

                        Just goes to show you, I'm older than I think I am. The Swiss used to be a porkupine nation. The next thing you're going to tell me is that the Pope has fired the Swiss Guards and hired Blackwater.

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                        73Zeppelin
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                        Yeah, they still protect the Pope. Actually, I'm in France right now and I can't wait to get back to Switzerland - I miss it. I miss traveling on their punctual trains with hoards of drunken Swiss militiamen with assault weapons and machine guns (they move their men by train and yes, the trains are RIGHT ON time and SPOTLESS). Other trivia: Legal drinking age is 16 and you can drink freely in public. Also, for a population with so many guns there is little to no gun crime - mostly stabbings. There are alot of stupid rules too, like you can't shower after 10pm in some buildings so that the people below you can't hear the water running, you can't hang your underwear to dry in public view, etc....


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                        • H Haydn Chapman

                          Do you think the First Amendment should be changed? Seeing as (and i'm sorry for bringing it in) freedom of religion is a right, a fair few of your posts don't always seem to share that view. Aren't you against everyone elses right to believe what they want? "One does not justify one's rights; one asserts them, one exercises them." - terrorist in training? :laugh:

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                          Member 2593477 wrote:

                          Aren't you against everyone elses right to believe what they want?

                          Aren't you an ignorant, lying ass?

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                          • realJSOPR realJSOP

                            jparken wrote:

                            So, if my "weapon of choice" is a bozooka, that's OK to keep and bear?

                            If you shoot it responsibly, sure, why not? I know none of the local shooting ranges will allow you to use it. You'll probably have to drive at least 100 miles from the city before you can find a place.

                            jparken wrote:

                            Does "common sense" come in to play anywhere in your distorted gun-toting hands?

                            I wouldn't say my hands are "distorted". I have some rifles and a few hand guns. Two of the four rifles I own are .22's (one bolt-action, and the other a lever-action) used for target practice because the Winchester .30-30 (a lever-action) is too expensive to shoot on a week-to-week basis. The fourth rifle is also a .22 (another bolt-action) that I let guests shoot when I go to the range. Notice that none of the rifles are semi-auto or considered "assault rifles". The pistols are both 9mm - one belongs to my wife, and one belongs to me. My wife has a CCL because she is often going (unescorted) to parts unknown to meet people unknown in the interest of volunteering for our dog rescue group. There's no telling what might happen while she's out and about, and was eager to get a CCL for self defense. I got my CCL to keep her company in the CCL class, and while I don't often carry, there are times when I have a gun in my car. Now, I'm a licensed experienced gun owner, and I have what I would call a less-then-exhaustive collection of firearms. How is that in any fucking way considered to be "distorted"?

                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                            Ilion
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                            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                            Now, I'm a licensed experienced gun owner, and I have what I would call a less-then-exhaustive collection of firearms. How is that in any fucking way considered to be "distorted"?

                            Because! You don't shriek and cry and pull your panties over your head at mere mention of guns. Worse, you even (own and) touch guns. Ergo: you have "distorted gun-toting hands"

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                              digital man wrote:

                              What, exactly, do you need a gun for?

                              Primarily to protect us from tyranical gov't, or from invaders such as the Britsh were 200 years ago.

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                              Technically, the British didn't "invade" us. They were already here and the colonials were trying to push them out. Now, if you want to talk 1812, we can use the word "invaded" - because the British invaded us, and we tried to invade Canada...

                              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                Also, the 2nd amendment does not restrict the types of arms you may keep/bear.

                                I take a bunch of Stingers then. I am living near the Airport, and sometimes the sound starts to annoy me. Oh, and do they still need the USS Iowa?

                                Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
                                Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency"

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                                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                Non sequitur and straw man. learn to think and discuss properly.

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                                • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                  Technically, the British didn't "invade" us. They were already here and the colonials were trying to push them out. Now, if you want to talk 1812, we can use the word "invaded" - because the British invaded us, and we tried to invade Canada...

                                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                  TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                  damn facts getting in the way. ;P ;P :laugh: i was "generalizing", but I think you get my drift. :-D anywho, I think you and I are of the same opinion concerning gun-rights, basically.

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                                  • C cp9876

                                    A simple outsider's view (based on my own arrogant assumptions) is that things that seemed a good idea 230 years ago may not be a good idea today. I'm still astounded that the assault weapon ban was allowed to expire. Why does anyone in a civilised society need to buy weapons that are designed specifically to kill as many people as possible in a short space of time? Those of you who don't buy those weapons should surely be concerned about those who do.

                                    Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."

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                                    cp9876 wrote:

                                    A simple outsider's view (based on my own arrogant assumptions) is that things that seemed a good idea 230 years ago may not be a good idea today.

                                    Having legal access to weapons or not iS one thing but what we can take pride in is the fact that in our sosiety very few people feel the need to be armed for personal protection.

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                                    • C CataclysmicQuantum

                                      jhwurmbach wrote:

                                      --Edit: Completely reversed the meaning of my text. I got the doses wrong.--

                                      I was about to call you an idiot, but I see that you changed it. :laugh:

                                      jhwurmbach wrote:

                                      Anyway, happy horror trip!

                                      As long as I am listening to music, and posting in the soapbox, the trip cant go wrong. I have done close to 1gram in one night, and I didn't loose my head.

                                      The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.

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                                      Oakman
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                                      CataclysmicQuantum wrote:

                                      I didn't loose my head.

                                      Oh well, we can always hope this time will be different.

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                                        Member 2593477 wrote:

                                        Aren't you against everyone elses right to believe what they want?

                                        Aren't you an ignorant, lying ass?

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                                        Oakman
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                                        IlĂ­on wrote:

                                        Aren't you an ignorant, lying ass?

                                        You forgot to answer the question - are you against freedom of religion?

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                                        • S Smithers Jones

                                          Unlocked and unarmed... everybody here is. So?

                                          "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)

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                                          Mycroft Holmes
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                                          Sounds like a lovely place - mind you 1 murder and you'll blow your per capita stats all to hell. I do love living in a country where offensive weapons are banned.

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