C++ Programmers unite!
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Chris Maunder wrote:
"My compiler compiled your compiler"
5 For that!
Chris Maunder wrote:
And to me that says it all. C++ is still like driving a manual (sitckshift) car versus an automatic.
I remember I said this, may be a year ago: "Real men drive manual transmission". .NET is undeniably good for developing business applications. But most of the .NET devs ignore (or even don't know) the fact that there are other languages and every language has its own applicability.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
Yeah and C++ was a result of C and C was a result of Assembler... :zzz:
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So there's all this talk of why C# is better than VB and why Ruby on Rails is just the peachiest thing ever, except that PERL is way hard core and blah blah blah. I found an old C++ T-shirt that I love: "My compiler compiled your compiler" And to me that says it all. C++ is still like driving a manual (sitckshift) car versus an automatic. C++ still kicks any .NET language's bum in terms of speed. C++ still allows you far more annoying and impressive errors than most other modern languages. So C++ devs: Tell us why C++ is just plain old better.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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So there's all this talk of why C# is better than VB and why Ruby on Rails is just the peachiest thing ever, except that PERL is way hard core and blah blah blah. I found an old C++ T-shirt that I love: "My compiler compiled your compiler" And to me that says it all. C++ is still like driving a manual (sitckshift) car versus an automatic. C++ still kicks any .NET language's bum in terms of speed. C++ still allows you far more annoying and impressive errors than most other modern languages. So C++ devs: Tell us why C++ is just plain old better.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
By analogy: C++: Arnold Schwarzenegger C#/VB/Ruby: Wally Cox C++: This Old House C#/VB/Ruby: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy C++: Bugs Bunny C#/VB/Ruby: Teletubbies C++: Iron Maiden C#/VB/Ruby: Menudo C++: Porsche 911 Turbo Cabriolet C#/VB/Ruby: Yugo
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So there's all this talk of why C# is better than VB and why Ruby on Rails is just the peachiest thing ever, except that PERL is way hard core and blah blah blah. I found an old C++ T-shirt that I love: "My compiler compiled your compiler" And to me that says it all. C++ is still like driving a manual (sitckshift) car versus an automatic. C++ still kicks any .NET language's bum in terms of speed. C++ still allows you far more annoying and impressive errors than most other modern languages. So C++ devs: Tell us why C++ is just plain old better.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
It's called evolution and it's as natural as water. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
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Yeah and C++ was a result of C and C was a result of Assembler... :zzz:
And assembler is a result of zeros and ones if you didn't know. You have to draw a line somewhere and the line is drawn at C++. Unfortunately it doesn't matter if you agree or not. I say this inspite of working on .NET for about a year now.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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So there's all this talk of why C# is better than VB and why Ruby on Rails is just the peachiest thing ever, except that PERL is way hard core and blah blah blah. I found an old C++ T-shirt that I love: "My compiler compiled your compiler" And to me that says it all. C++ is still like driving a manual (sitckshift) car versus an automatic. C++ still kicks any .NET language's bum in terms of speed. C++ still allows you far more annoying and impressive errors than most other modern languages. So C++ devs: Tell us why C++ is just plain old better.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
When you finish a project it actually feels like you accomplished something :-D
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
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BYTE * p;and the simple joy of running a pointer across a buffer without having to warn the world that you've taken off the safety. and, of course...CListCtrl!Chris Losinger wrote:
and the simple joy of running a pointer across a buffer
Kinda of like stepping across those stupid ropes barriers they have in hotels and banks. 'Queue in line if you want, but I'm heading this-a-way...'
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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And assembler is a result of zeros and ones if you didn't know. You have to draw a line somewhere and the line is drawn at C++. Unfortunately it doesn't matter if you agree or not. I say this inspite of working on .NET for about a year now.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
You have to draw a line somewhere and the line is drawn at C++.
Your biased opinion :)
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When you finish a project it actually feels like you accomplished something :-D
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
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So there's all this talk of why C# is better than VB and why Ruby on Rails is just the peachiest thing ever, except that PERL is way hard core and blah blah blah. I found an old C++ T-shirt that I love: "My compiler compiled your compiler" And to me that says it all. C++ is still like driving a manual (sitckshift) car versus an automatic. C++ still kicks any .NET language's bum in terms of speed. C++ still allows you far more annoying and impressive errors than most other modern languages. So C++ devs: Tell us why C++ is just plain old better.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
"My compiler compiled your compiler"
Chris Maunder wrote:
is still like driving a manual (sitckshift) car versus an automatic.
Chris Maunder wrote:
still allows you far more annoying and impressive errors than most other modern languages.
Chris Maunder wrote:
is just plain old better.
Are you talking about
C? :-DIf the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke -
Chris Losinger wrote:
and the simple joy of running a pointer across a buffer
Kinda of like stepping across those stupid ropes barriers they have in hotels and banks. 'Queue in line if you want, but I'm heading this-a-way...'
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
'Queue in line if you want, but I'm heading this-a-way...'
But Sir, wait! The Marshall hasn't given His approval for such a maneuver! I can't let you do that until He has signed the official notifications and informed the higher authorities ! This Will Not Do ! Oh dear, oh dear! Stop ! :omg:
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Exactly what happens to me. :-D
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
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So there's all this talk of why C# is better than VB and why Ruby on Rails is just the peachiest thing ever, except that PERL is way hard core and blah blah blah. I found an old C++ T-shirt that I love: "My compiler compiled your compiler" And to me that says it all. C++ is still like driving a manual (sitckshift) car versus an automatic. C++ still kicks any .NET language's bum in terms of speed. C++ still allows you far more annoying and impressive errors than most other modern languages. So C++ devs: Tell us why C++ is just plain old better.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I've been a C# developer for 2.5 years now. I taught myself a little C++ in my final year at uni for my project (mainly because it was more fun than the Java they taught), so I've had a taste of it. Would you recommend learning C++ properly? and what style, managed or classic? The good thing about managed is that I'm already pretty good with the .NET framework, so all I really need to learn is the slightly different syntax. If I learn classic, I'd also have to learn a bunch of other stuff like MFC or whatever. Is it worth it? Should I just stick with C#?
Simon
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I've been a C# developer for 2.5 years now. I taught myself a little C++ in my final year at uni for my project (mainly because it was more fun than the Java they taught), so I've had a taste of it. Would you recommend learning C++ properly? and what style, managed or classic? The good thing about managed is that I'm already pretty good with the .NET framework, so all I really need to learn is the slightly different syntax. If I learn classic, I'd also have to learn a bunch of other stuff like MFC or whatever. Is it worth it? Should I just stick with C#?
Simon
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Chris Maunder wrote:
"My compiler compiled your compiler"
Chris Maunder wrote:
is still like driving a manual (sitckshift) car versus an automatic.
Chris Maunder wrote:
still allows you far more annoying and impressive errors than most other modern languages.
Chris Maunder wrote:
is just plain old better.
Are you talking about
C? :-DIf the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain ClarkeWell put! You know, Torvalds' impression about C++ compared to C is similar to Maunder's impresion on C# vs C++.
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So there's all this talk of why C# is better than VB and why Ruby on Rails is just the peachiest thing ever, except that PERL is way hard core and blah blah blah. I found an old C++ T-shirt that I love: "My compiler compiled your compiler" And to me that says it all. C++ is still like driving a manual (sitckshift) car versus an automatic. C++ still kicks any .NET language's bum in terms of speed. C++ still allows you far more annoying and impressive errors than most other modern languages. So C++ devs: Tell us why C++ is just plain old better.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
For that Chris, there is a need for an SVN on CP, long overdue. Then everyone can hammer at a proposal for say Media namespace for Boost. One that is agnostic, DirectX or OpenGL based or xyz based. Implementing something similar to Flash or that tiny SilverLight install base would not be hard with such awesome libs, would put both Java and .NET to shame, and it would avoid all MS patent/algorithms. There is plenty of scope as the focus for C++ 2009 has been on bits that are most important in any engineering work, that it scales well and are designed like a space-shuttle. Only then you can aim for mass-market 'comeback' and without "code C++ like C" horrors in cryptography (and of course learning from other people's mistakes like MS has been doing with browsers, Java, databases, tools etc). Also, I don't think it is a bad thing people are calling it 'dead'. It is a great misconception that keeps many people in business. Evidently, the latest MS technologies too.. and in my humble opinion, they are demonstrating that markup and runtime design is the last thing you want to do anyway; a moving target. What's hard or unknown about VMs these days?
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I've been a C# developer for 2.5 years now. I taught myself a little C++ in my final year at uni for my project (mainly because it was more fun than the Java they taught), so I've had a taste of it. Would you recommend learning C++ properly? and what style, managed or classic? The good thing about managed is that I'm already pretty good with the .NET framework, so all I really need to learn is the slightly different syntax. If I learn classic, I'd also have to learn a bunch of other stuff like MFC or whatever. Is it worth it? Should I just stick with C#?
Simon
In all seriousness it depends on what you do. Learning (and really knowing) C++ will help you in any programming you do. It's like learning how to act in the classics in order to do a stint in a Soap opera. It may seem overkill but it gives you the insight to understand what your code is actually doing. My day to day work is all C# but knowing C++ means I get what the garbage collector is doing, I understand the importance of creating objects only when I need them, that I know how the Dictionary classes work and that sometimes, when it's dark and cold outside, I wake up shivering, wishing that the
newoperator returned null when the app was out of memory.cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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So there's all this talk of why C# is better than VB and why Ruby on Rails is just the peachiest thing ever, except that PERL is way hard core and blah blah blah. I found an old C++ T-shirt that I love: "My compiler compiled your compiler" And to me that says it all. C++ is still like driving a manual (sitckshift) car versus an automatic. C++ still kicks any .NET language's bum in terms of speed. C++ still allows you far more annoying and impressive errors than most other modern languages. So C++ devs: Tell us why C++ is just plain old better.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I do not understand why someone would give up control for "ease of use". In my experience anytime you go for ease of use you are giving up performance. Does anyone besides me remember the VB3 to VB4 fiasco which was then repeated with the .NET 1 to .NET 1.1 fiasco? Why build in dependency that exceeds just the OS and a few simple libraries?
'With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control,mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country! from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?' - Jay Leno
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
You have to draw a line somewhere and the line is drawn at C++.
Your biased opinion :)
norm .net wrote:
Your biased opinion
Feel free to prove it. :)
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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I've been a C# developer for 2.5 years now. I taught myself a little C++ in my final year at uni for my project (mainly because it was more fun than the Java they taught), so I've had a taste of it. Would you recommend learning C++ properly? and what style, managed or classic? The good thing about managed is that I'm already pretty good with the .NET framework, so all I really need to learn is the slightly different syntax. If I learn classic, I'd also have to learn a bunch of other stuff like MFC or whatever. Is it worth it? Should I just stick with C#?
Simon
Simon Stevens wrote:
Would you recommend learning C++ properly?
Yes.
Simon Stevens wrote:
and what style, managed or classic?
'classic' (managed
C++is a crap, however this goes on my arrogant...).Simon Stevens wrote:
Is it worth it?
Yes.
Simon Stevens wrote:
Should I just stick with C#?
It remains an option. If you really enjoy
C#, be stuck with it. :)If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke