Level of Dross/Reputations
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The only people I see complaining about the quality of articles are the CodeProject users themselves. Most of the crap articles are being posted by Indians (I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just stating a fact). It's really hard to fathom why these people post the empty articles, or as one guy did, posted an article that was a programming question. Perhaps the UI presented on the site needs to be re-thought.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Most of the crap articles are being posted by Indians
Fixed that for you. :sigh: I feel bad, helpless and embarrassed, but unfortunately you're correct. :(
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Most of the crap articles are being posted by Indians
Fixed that for you. :sigh: I feel bad, helpless and embarrassed, but unfortunately you're correct. :(
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
There must be some word on the grapevine that posting dross articles to CP gets you a good job. :rolleyes: :~
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Jonathan [Darka] wrote:
I also feel less likely to post articles as they are soon knocked out of the "recent articles" list by utter crap and thus get noticed less than they might otherwise do.
Maybe just a minor change to the logic, that only edited/moderated articles appear in the recent artciles list. All bar one of the artciles currently in the recent list are unedited artciles.
Simon
I think that's a good idea, CP need to do something before we all stop visiting.
Jonathan Wilkes Darka[Xanya.net]
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I agree with your approach: new authors should be on probation for the first 3 articles; if they use the Article Submission Wizard to post an article, it automatically gets routed to the editor's queue, just as if they had emailed it. If all of their first 3 articles are rejected, their account gets deleted. I would like to think that reporting articles, voting, etc., would take care of the problem, but that's like shoveling fleas in a barn - they are remedies, not solutions. We need to put up some screens to keep the fleas out.
Best wishes, Hans
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Hans Dietrich wrote:
I agree with your approach: new authors should be on probation for the first 3 articles; if they use the Article Submission Wizard to post an article, it automatically gets routed to the editor's queue, just as if they had emailed it. If all of their first 3 articles are rejected, their account gets deleted.
Although I agree in concept, imagine what flooding the editor with all these idiot articles will do to that person? CP voting system has the advantage of a distributed effort, rather than one person shouldering the burden, many of us use the voting system to signal good/bad articles. I think if you want a solution, it needs to support a distribution of effort. In other words, we need to find a solution that will allow us to help the editor rather than pushing all this on one or a few people. Would MVPs be willing to review such articles? would another team?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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Hans Dietrich wrote:
I agree with your approach: new authors should be on probation for the first 3 articles; if they use the Article Submission Wizard to post an article, it automatically gets routed to the editor's queue, just as if they had emailed it. If all of their first 3 articles are rejected, their account gets deleted.
Although I agree in concept, imagine what flooding the editor with all these idiot articles will do to that person? CP voting system has the advantage of a distributed effort, rather than one person shouldering the burden, many of us use the voting system to signal good/bad articles. I think if you want a solution, it needs to support a distribution of effort. In other words, we need to find a solution that will allow us to help the editor rather than pushing all this on one or a few people. Would MVPs be willing to review such articles? would another team?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
El Corazon wrote:
Would MVPs be willing to review such articles
Well - I did volunteer a while back, but I suspect it got "lost in the post" with Chris.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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There must be some word on the grapevine that posting dross articles to CP gets you a good job. :rolleyes: :~
norm .net wrote:
There must be some word on the grapevine that posting dross articles to CP gets you a good job.
so if I add the number of messages onto my resume I will get more job offers? I have experience in: C/C++ Prolog Lisp Fortran Java Some C# Assembly 80x86 and 68000 3D landscapes Augmented Reality over 10,000 messages posted at the Code Project
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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I am finding that I am visiting Code Project less and less due to the level of utter dross posted by some article writers. Due to the high amount of substandard articles I am starting to wonder what the point in visiting is? (Just look at 3 out of the "ten most recent changes" to see my point) I feel Code Project is starting to get a reputation for substandard articles and a repository for coders of a questionable ability to post their "Resume enhancing" articles. This is worrying as I feel the creators of Code Project never intended for this to happen. How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
1. Report the Articles 2. Vote for the Articles. 3. Give me about a day to get something in place we've been playing with...
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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norm .net wrote:
There must be some word on the grapevine that posting dross articles to CP gets you a good job.
so if I add the number of messages onto my resume I will get more job offers? I have experience in: C/C++ Prolog Lisp Fortran Java Some C# Assembly 80x86 and 68000 3D landscapes Augmented Reality over 10,000 messages posted at the Code Project
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
It must be your birthday, you've got the job! :beer:
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Hans Dietrich wrote:
I agree with your approach: new authors should be on probation for the first 3 articles; if they use the Article Submission Wizard to post an article, it automatically gets routed to the editor's queue, just as if they had emailed it. If all of their first 3 articles are rejected, their account gets deleted.
Although I agree in concept, imagine what flooding the editor with all these idiot articles will do to that person? CP voting system has the advantage of a distributed effort, rather than one person shouldering the burden, many of us use the voting system to signal good/bad articles. I think if you want a solution, it needs to support a distribution of effort. In other words, we need to find a solution that will allow us to help the editor rather than pushing all this on one or a few people. Would MVPs be willing to review such articles? would another team?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
Chris has Spoken, so we should probably wait to see what he comes up with.
Best wishes, Hans
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norm .net wrote:
There must be some word on the grapevine that posting dross articles to CP gets you a good job.
so if I add the number of messages onto my resume I will get more job offers? I have experience in: C/C++ Prolog Lisp Fortran Java Some C# Assembly 80x86 and 68000 3D landscapes Augmented Reality over 10,000 messages posted at the Code Project
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
Prospective employer: So what you're saying is that - given an average of 2 minutes per posting - you've spent two weeks playing about on line? El Corazon: *Squirm*
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
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I vote comments like yours a 1.
PeterTheGreat wrote:
How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
Stop complaining and write some quality articles yourself to raise the overall level of quality. You want to improve CP's reputation? Then start improving it. This is a site, afterall, where the quality of the site is 99% determined by the contributions of the people. The fact that I can contribute articles without going through a lengthy submittal process, and the fact that the members themselves moderate the articles is fantastic. Sure it has flaws, I get p.o'd like everyone else when I get a 1 vote, but overall, I think it's great. Marc
Quite right! I have proactively not submitted a single article, a feat by itself that must have boosted the average article score by more then 1.8 points.
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
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Prospective employer: So what you're saying is that - given an average of 2 minutes per posting - you've spent two weeks playing about on line? El Corazon: *Squirm*
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
MidwestLimey wrote:
Prospective employer: So what you're saying is that - given an average of 2 minutes per posting - you've spent two weeks playing about on line? El Corazon: *Squirm*
El: Your maths is flawed. It takes far less time to post LOL and :laugh: so the average posting time is brought down quite considerably.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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MidwestLimey wrote:
Prospective employer: So what you're saying is that - given an average of 2 minutes per posting - you've spent two weeks playing about on line? El Corazon: *Squirm*
El: Your maths is flawed. It takes far less time to post LOL and :laugh: so the average posting time is brought down quite considerably.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It takes far less time to post LOL and so the average posting time is brought down quite considerably.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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I am finding that I am visiting Code Project less and less due to the level of utter dross posted by some article writers. Due to the high amount of substandard articles I am starting to wonder what the point in visiting is? (Just look at 3 out of the "ten most recent changes" to see my point) I feel Code Project is starting to get a reputation for substandard articles and a repository for coders of a questionable ability to post their "Resume enhancing" articles. This is worrying as I feel the creators of Code Project never intended for this to happen. How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
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Quite right! I have proactively not submitted a single article, a feat by itself that must have boosted the average article score by more then 1.8 points.
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
MidwestLimey wrote:
I have proactively not submitted a single article, a feat by itself that must have boosted the average article score by more then 1.8 points.
:-D I'm sure we all appreciate it. ;P Marc
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Christian Graus wrote:
eah, and I'm sure that just the right UI will stop all programming questions to the lounge.
I'm trying to be "sensitive" toward the plight of the typical Indian programmer (whose first language isn't English). Besides, I've always been a proponent of changing the interface here. Someone else suggested a 30-day delay in the ability to post articles, but that will just keep the better programmers from registering. Maybe implementing some sort of rudimentary text checking to make sure the article a) contains text, and b) doesn't contain any of the text that is used in the boilerplate template presented in the article submission wizard, and c) contains MORE text than the boilerplate template (of course the stuff in the header tags would be omitted from this comparison).
Christian Graus wrote:
Face it, fact is that our industry has a lot more stupid people in it than used to be the case.
Yeah, I know, but just allowing it to happen without trying to address it is simply not acceptable. I know Chris et al have a lot of other crap to deal with, so I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, and volunteer to help develop code to keep the bad guys at bay. I haven't seen anyone else step up like that - it seems most people just want to complain, or just shake their heads.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Maybe implementing some sort of rudimentary text checking to make sure the article a) contains text, and b) doesn't contain any of the text that is used in the boilerplate template presented in the article submission wizard, and c) contains MORE text than the boilerplate template (of course the stuff in the header tags would be omitted from this comparison).
We do this. However even simple changes to the text, even just whitespace, can render our checks useless.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
so I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, and volunteer to help develop code to keep the bad guys at bay
That's incredibly kind. I'd welcome any effort to smarten up our checks on whether the template we provide has been 'sufficiently' modified.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I think that's a good idea, CP need to do something before we all stop visiting.
Jonathan Wilkes Darka[Xanya.net]
...those who submitted articles were careful to use proper English (appropriate verb tense, spelling, sentence structure, etc.) Go read your favorite book (technical or otherwise). Then go to teh bookstore and pick up/flip through the latest in the Yet Another Book About... series. Notice the differences between the two. When I have to add an extra pass to translate the nontechnical information into the language it apparently was meant to originate in before I can parse the technical information, that is a book that has lost essentially all its value for me. I will go find a competing book that is better written (even if slightly lighter-weight technically), buy that, and recommend it to my friends/colleagues/clients. If asked "what about (the first book)," I will explain why it isn't worth the time or the money. That usually works effectively, especially with non-native speakers of English. Alternatively, authors should write in the language which they are most fluent and then hire a professional technical translator. Alternatively, an opportunity exists for the marketing of non-English-language technical books in otherwise English-speaking cultures (with possible translations to follow later). I really had my fill of this sort of thing ten or 15 years ago. It's hard enough staying current when reading the craftwork of talented, fluent writers.
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