Oz Government to let my boss spy on me ...
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It begs the question, what would anyone do on their work PC that they want to keep secret ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
It begs the question, what would anyone do on their work PC that they want to keep secret ?
I've twice had the experiance of walking up to someones desk, seeing a suprised look on their face and some very unsuitable material minimised in a hurry. I guess some guys would rather risk their job than their relationship in order to pursue their "alternative interests" From time to time I've needed to move some money around in a hurry and used internet banking from my desk. I know that where I work now they reserve the right to use key loggers so in theory someone could have access to my password.
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It begs the question, what would anyone do on their work PC that they want to keep secret ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
what would anyone do on their work PC that they want to keep secret ?
In the past several months I can caught 3 people with non-kid friendly images on the work computers. One was caught because he saved them onto a network drive shared with over 40 other people. Other not so discusting things that have happened on the Network I maintain are people spending more time on ebay and similar sites, sending innapropriat emails about other staff/customers to people both inside and outside the company, etc And then there is the IT guy who regularly goes on CP because for some reason his home computer wont access it...... :-\
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown "All things good to know are difficult to learn" ~ Greek Proverb "The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary" ~ Vidal Sassoon
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bryce wrote:
you have to show ID
Funny, I find it's a coin toss if I get asked for Id or not.
bryce wrote:
This and other issues make a lie of the whole anti establishment / ned kelly/ groovy relaxed ocker types Australians and Australia proports itself to be.
I find that whole stereotype funny, it's not been reality for a long, long time.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
ahh tasmania might be a little more relaxed - in Sydney and in Brisneyland I have found its 100% of the time in the post office. In my time here in Oz i have come to the conclusion that the Australian Govts (all levels) dont trust the citizens and that the Citzens also dont trust each other. Havn't seen it anywhere else to this extent. another example is the "100 points of ID" issue. Bryce
MCP --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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bryce wrote:
you have to show ID
Funny, I find it's a coin toss if I get asked for Id or not.
bryce wrote:
This and other issues make a lie of the whole anti establishment / ned kelly/ groovy relaxed ocker types Australians and Australia proports itself to be.
I find that whole stereotype funny, it's not been reality for a long, long time.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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ahh tasmania might be a little more relaxed - in Sydney and in Brisneyland I have found its 100% of the time in the post office. In my time here in Oz i have come to the conclusion that the Australian Govts (all levels) dont trust the citizens and that the Citzens also dont trust each other. Havn't seen it anywhere else to this extent. another example is the "100 points of ID" issue. Bryce
MCP --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitorOur kids books :The Snot Goblin, and Book 2 - the Snotgoblin and Fluff
bryce wrote:
Havn't seen it anywhere else to this extent. another example is the "100 points of ID" issue.
Well, I find the US worse, I have to show Id to use my credit card quite routinely. Like if I had a stolen card, if I was that sort of person, I'd not have the wherewithall to fake some photo id.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Christian Graus wrote:
I find that whole stereotype funny, it's not been reality for a long, long time.
I dont think it every was. Its an idea thats been pushed to sell us and in particular tourism to the rest of the world
I suspect we were a very different nation when we had more of a unique identity, say, 100 years ago. But, any stereo type is not going to fit 100% of the population, that is true.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Christian Graus wrote:
It begs the question, what would anyone do on their work PC that they want to keep secret ?
I've twice had the experiance of walking up to someones desk, seeing a suprised look on their face and some very unsuitable material minimised in a hurry. I guess some guys would rather risk their job than their relationship in order to pursue their "alternative interests" From time to time I've needed to move some money around in a hurry and used internet banking from my desk. I know that where I work now they reserve the right to use key loggers so in theory someone could have access to my password.
Josh Gray wrote:
From time to time I've needed to move some money around in a hurry and used internet banking from my desk. I know that where I work now they reserve the right to use key loggers so in theory someone could have access to my password.
Yeah, that sucks. Some banks use custom controls so a key logger won't work, but still....
Josh Gray wrote:
I guess some guys would rather risk their job than their relationship in order to pursue their "alternative interests"
Which is kind of dumb IMO.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Christian Graus wrote:
what would anyone do on their work PC that they want to keep secret ?
In the past several months I can caught 3 people with non-kid friendly images on the work computers. One was caught because he saved them onto a network drive shared with over 40 other people. Other not so discusting things that have happened on the Network I maintain are people spending more time on ebay and similar sites, sending innapropriat emails about other staff/customers to people both inside and outside the company, etc And then there is the IT guy who regularly goes on CP because for some reason his home computer wont access it...... :-\
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown "All things good to know are difficult to learn" ~ Greek Proverb "The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary" ~ Vidal Sassoon
Thunderbox666 wrote:
people spending more time on ebay and similar sites
Yeah, I've seen a lot of public servants doing that, and it's quite valid that if your employer gives you the wherewithall to waste your work time, they can also monitor if you do so. At least, I think so. I'd be appalled if an employer told me I couldn't ever use CP, or check an email or an ebay auction, but if someone is spending hours on it, that's anotehr thing entirely.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Christian Graus wrote:
what would anyone do on their work PC that they want to keep secret ?
In the past several months I can caught 3 people with non-kid friendly images on the work computers. One was caught because he saved them onto a network drive shared with over 40 other people. Other not so discusting things that have happened on the Network I maintain are people spending more time on ebay and similar sites, sending innapropriat emails about other staff/customers to people both inside and outside the company, etc And then there is the IT guy who regularly goes on CP because for some reason his home computer wont access it...... :-\
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown "All things good to know are difficult to learn" ~ Greek Proverb "The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary" ~ Vidal Sassoon
Thunderbox666 wrote:
In the past several months I can caught 3 people with non-kid friendly images on the work computers.
back when I joined the company, one of the supervisors once approached me with the "things" he discovered on the internet. very uncomfortable, and a supervisor no less.... :omg:
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If your boss provides you with an internet connection, why would he not have the right to monitor what you do with it ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Hi Christian, This is a simplistic argument that the employers often put up. On the surface it seems quite reasonable to only use the internet STRICKTLY for work. However life is unfortunately is not that simple. If my children's school needs to contact me urgently at work on a work supplied phone they certainly can (there are many other cases one could site). Monitoring of phone calls by my employer on employer supplied equipment is not allowed. Just as I can also open a postal letter supplied to me that may have nothing to do with work. The only thing different is the medium used to exchange information. In this case the internet is easily used by people to sureptiously open personal content. Managers should manage not be pouring over employees emails or internet useage. If you are getting your job done in the time allocated what is the problem?
Peter Hayward Ngarkat Technologies South Australia,
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After listening to this morning's news I am sitting here totally amazed at what our government is proposing to do. So much so that I feel quite scared even distressed about it. Our Deputy PM, Julia Gillard, is going to allow employers to legally monitor (view) employees email and web site usage. As it is already common place for employers to monitor emails etc I feel the law should be tightened on privacy in this area certainly not relaxed. Apparently, all in the name of preventing a terrorist attack on the Internet in Australia! Yeah right! It took a while but it looks like 1984 has finally arrived!!! So what is my boss going to do next? Monitor my employer provided phones, watch and listen to who I talk to, even open my (but delivered at work) postal mail, have me wear recording devices and monitor me via a GPS where I am at any time! I cannot believe that a labour government would do such a totally uneducated even myopic act and at the same time be seen to be pandering to employers! So an employer is going to be able tell if my email is about terrorism? Or that the web site I am visiting is going to trigger a terrorist act. Are they going to have the time to do this. Oh please!!! The real agenda here is to allow the employers to monitor their employees while the managers remain sitting on their lazy bottoms, rather than getting around and MANAGING their staff. Unreal!!!:mad:
Peter Hayward Ngarkat Technologies South Australia,
As others have said - don't do anything on your work computer that you don't want others to see. This has been the rule for ages. The reality is that all these emails about being home late for dinner - who cares if someone reads them. I recall when we had analog mobile phones that could be easily eavesdropped - in a moment of curiosity I fired up a spectrum analyzer and had a listen - it was mind-numbingly boring. Email has dangers for many reasons - one of the least of which is that the boss may read them. Really it's about as big a threat to my privacy as the council weighing my garbage - the other privacy media beat-up today (link[^]). If you are really worried, install PGP or arrange some certificates with your friends.
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
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Peter Hayward wrote:
The real agenda here is to allow the employers to monitor their employees while the managers remain sitting on their lazy bottoms, rather than getting around and MANAGING their staff.
Bullshit. I've worked for many companies here and every single one of them has monitored internet usage. You want privacy? do it on your own time and at your own cost. Typical media beat up about nothing.
Peter Hayward wrote:
Julia Gillard
barren
Hhhmnnn a first class, intellectual reply. If it amuses you so.
Peter Hayward Ngarkat Technologies South Australia,
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Hhhmnnn a first class, intellectual reply. If it amuses you so.
Peter Hayward Ngarkat Technologies South Australia,
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Hi Christian, This is a simplistic argument that the employers often put up. On the surface it seems quite reasonable to only use the internet STRICKTLY for work. However life is unfortunately is not that simple. If my children's school needs to contact me urgently at work on a work supplied phone they certainly can (there are many other cases one could site). Monitoring of phone calls by my employer on employer supplied equipment is not allowed. Just as I can also open a postal letter supplied to me that may have nothing to do with work. The only thing different is the medium used to exchange information. In this case the internet is easily used by people to sureptiously open personal content. Managers should manage not be pouring over employees emails or internet useage. If you are getting your job done in the time allocated what is the problem?
Peter Hayward Ngarkat Technologies South Australia,
Peter Hayward wrote:
If you are getting your job done in the time allocated what is the problem?
Depends entirely on the job, I guess. I mean, some jobs imply a level of trust that others do not. In this day and age, most people can afford an internet ready phone, which is surely all you need for the odd online banking or email emergency. My core position is this. Your employer should be allowed to monitor what you do on their time. You should be able to do private email on a private device, if you need to. Even if your employer finds out you did something personal on work time, as you would with a phone call, what are you planning to do that you want to hide from him/her ? I get that internet banking is an obvious one, but again, do it on your phone.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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bryce wrote:
Havn't seen it anywhere else to this extent. another example is the "100 points of ID" issue.
Well, I find the US worse, I have to show Id to use my credit card quite routinely. Like if I had a stolen card, if I was that sort of person, I'd not have the wherewithall to fake some photo id.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
:) when my mum and dad were last over Mum went into the local Commonwealth Bank to change $100 nz cash to Australian $ and they wanted 100 points of ID. Now, shes nearly 70 so hardly a security risk and over 100 bucks its a farce - she told them to get stuffed and walked out.(nice way to treat visitors) My mate stephen arrived from vegas to live (kiwi) bought a mobile phone - they wanted to see 100 points of ID - he was gobsmacked. Rent a flat - 100 points of ID. Send a package overseas - they want to not only see your ID they also record it too. I can actually understand the septics point of view more so than the australian one 9-11 and all that. cheerypips bryce
MCP --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitorOur kids books :The Snot Goblin, and Book 2 - the Snotgoblin and Fluff
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Peter Hayward wrote:
If you are getting your job done in the time allocated what is the problem?
Depends entirely on the job, I guess. I mean, some jobs imply a level of trust that others do not. In this day and age, most people can afford an internet ready phone, which is surely all you need for the odd online banking or email emergency. My core position is this. Your employer should be allowed to monitor what you do on their time. You should be able to do private email on a private device, if you need to. Even if your employer finds out you did something personal on work time, as you would with a phone call, what are you planning to do that you want to hide from him/her ? I get that internet banking is an obvious one, but again, do it on your phone.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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:) when my mum and dad were last over Mum went into the local Commonwealth Bank to change $100 nz cash to Australian $ and they wanted 100 points of ID. Now, shes nearly 70 so hardly a security risk and over 100 bucks its a farce - she told them to get stuffed and walked out.(nice way to treat visitors) My mate stephen arrived from vegas to live (kiwi) bought a mobile phone - they wanted to see 100 points of ID - he was gobsmacked. Rent a flat - 100 points of ID. Send a package overseas - they want to not only see your ID they also record it too. I can actually understand the septics point of view more so than the australian one 9-11 and all that. cheerypips bryce
MCP --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitorOur kids books :The Snot Goblin, and Book 2 - the Snotgoblin and Fluff
Some of the banking reporting limits are pretty pathetic - I've done some smaller transfers in recent years for my kids and the reporting seems overkill. Wanting any details to exchange money (rather than transfer) seems ridiculous. The government has always wanted to know who belongs to which phone - mainly for criminal investigations. It's never really bothered me. I can see it could be a problem for visitors. I have worked in both the UK and the US and opening bank accounts in either place would have been almost impossible without local employer support. I think it is reasonable these days, in the interests of air safety, to want to know who sent which packages by air. Photo ID doesn't seem overkill to me.
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
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:) when my mum and dad were last over Mum went into the local Commonwealth Bank to change $100 nz cash to Australian $ and they wanted 100 points of ID. Now, shes nearly 70 so hardly a security risk and over 100 bucks its a farce - she told them to get stuffed and walked out.(nice way to treat visitors) My mate stephen arrived from vegas to live (kiwi) bought a mobile phone - they wanted to see 100 points of ID - he was gobsmacked. Rent a flat - 100 points of ID. Send a package overseas - they want to not only see your ID they also record it too. I can actually understand the septics point of view more so than the australian one 9-11 and all that. cheerypips bryce
MCP --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitorOur kids books :The Snot Goblin, and Book 2 - the Snotgoblin and Fluff
bryce wrote:
Mum went into the local Commonwealth Bank to change $100 nz cash to Australian $ and they wanted 100 points of ID.
Because they dont want her business. They make stuff all on converting currency so they make it as hard as possible. I suspect there is legislation forcing them to provide that service so they found a way around it.
bryce wrote:
My mate stephen arrived from vegas to live (kiwi) bought a mobile phone - they wanted to see 100 points of ID - he was gobsmacked.
This changed in the last few years. You used to be able to buy a pre-paid sim with no ID and the crims loved it.
bryce wrote:
Rent a flat - 100 points of ID.
If I owned a flat I'd want to know exactly who was renting it.
bryce wrote:
a package overseas - they want to not only see your ID they also record it too.
No idea why
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:) when my mum and dad were last over Mum went into the local Commonwealth Bank to change $100 nz cash to Australian $ and they wanted 100 points of ID. Now, shes nearly 70 so hardly a security risk and over 100 bucks its a farce - she told them to get stuffed and walked out.(nice way to treat visitors) My mate stephen arrived from vegas to live (kiwi) bought a mobile phone - they wanted to see 100 points of ID - he was gobsmacked. Rent a flat - 100 points of ID. Send a package overseas - they want to not only see your ID they also record it too. I can actually understand the septics point of view more so than the australian one 9-11 and all that. cheerypips bryce
MCP --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
Publitor, making Pubmed easy. http://www.sohocode.com/publitorOur kids books :The Snot Goblin, and Book 2 - the Snotgoblin and Fluff
Well, I have all sorts of bank hassles, so I am sympathetic. But, you can exchange currency for free at any Travelex.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Christian Graus wrote:
but again, do it on your phone
and on your own time.
I don't speak Idiot - please talk slowly and clearly
In an ideal world I only ever would do this in my own time (e.g lunch time) but how does my Boss (or his voyeristic lacky) really know what is my own time? The point is that someone looking at an email sent to me in good faith by another person should not have to worry about if a third party may intercept it. On the surface it seems so simple. Just only do work related things on work provided facilities. Well that'll mean no private postal mail, no private conversations with anyone (not even the footy results), no private phone calls just work work work for the corporation .... now if that ain't 1984 a bit late I don't know what is. I'm hoping that employers will use this to differentiate hwo they employ people. i.e we are a non-gender, non racial, and non eves dropping employer! The bottom line is the government is bringing this in, in the guise of anti terrorism which is really quite laughable despite the real reasons behind it.
Peter Hayward Ngarkat Technologies South Australia,