If you would rather keep XP...
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Not me. I like Vista (shock, gasp, horror). Yes there are parts I wish worked better, but the same can be said about every version of Windows that I've installed (except 2003, which was spot on sweetness and light). If I wanted to keep a version it would be 2003 not XP.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
I have no problems with Vista and don't know what why people are having problems with it, cast your minds back remember when XP was first released, that too had problems which were addressed with a couple SPs.
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Ed.Poore wrote:
I much prefer Vista over XP, the killer feature is the Start search thingy.
Amen. In fact, I like Win Server 08 even more, although it is a good idea to tweak it a bit[^] to make it a good workstation.
Haven't look at 2008 yet, just installed Server 2003 which I got as part of DreamSpark[^] onto my desktop so I can access the resources at home from Uni while I'm away. Although I've heard 2008 & Home Server seem to be very good products so far.
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I have no problems with Vista and don't know what why people are having problems with it, cast your minds back remember when XP was first released, that too had problems which were addressed with a couple SPs.
Quite why people are looking back on XP as some kind of Windows Golden Age is beyond me. It was unstable, insecure and that Fisher-Price UI :confused:
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Hmm, am I the only one who's had absolutely no problems with Vista? I was very suprised when even games performed perfectly on a 64-bit install of Vista Ultimate. The only issue so far has had nothing to do with Vista but Abit not producing a reliable driver for my wireless card (doesn't really matter since it's a desktop). Will have to see how games perform on my new laptop which has a 32 bit install. Wasn't intended as a gaming laptop though, just something portable for train journeys and uni.
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Haven't look at 2008 yet, just installed Server 2003 which I got as part of DreamSpark[^] onto my desktop so I can access the resources at home from Uni while I'm away. Although I've heard 2008 & Home Server seem to be very good products so far.
Home server has a major bug at present. If you're using the mirror data on two drives option and modify a file on the share (ie fiddling with mp3 tag info) instead of saving it locally and copying it back the two copies can become out of sync resulting in corrupted data. MS is working on a fix and IIRC it's undergoing testing but required changes at a very low level and so isn't being released until they're certain it hasn't broken anything else.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always get punched out when I reach 4.... -- El Corazon
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Not me. I like Vista (shock, gasp, horror). Yes there are parts I wish worked better, but the same can be said about every version of Windows that I've installed (except 2003, which was spot on sweetness and light). If I wanted to keep a version it would be 2003 not XP.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
2003 is a delight to use, the majority of stuff is straight forward and easily accessed via the GUI. I've only had a dabble with 2008 but thankfully it seems to take this and just improve on it :D It was very easy to setup for my home network (very simple) and I've had no issues with it since, and thats running on a 1.2ghz Athlon XP.
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HELP SAVE XP Petition [^] Not so much that someone would bother to do this (good luck to them) but that Microsloth is steadfastly ignoring the (apparent) 100,000 consumers who have already signed it. I'm not one as I have learnt to live with the wonderfully quirky Vista and can't be asked to go to all the trouble of backgrading to the livelier XP.
I just filled in the petition as Bill.Gates@microsoft.com. Hmm, perhaps I shuold fill it in with the real email address of everyone I know at Microsoft. That could be very ammusing/dangerous. :suss:
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I have no problems with Vista and don't know what why people are having problems with it, cast your minds back remember when XP was first released, that too had problems which were addressed with a couple SPs.
norm .net wrote:
cast your minds back remember when XP was first released, that too had problems which were addressed with a couple SPs.
For me, this latest upgrade has been much rockier. When XP came out, I had already been using Windows 2000 as my main OS for quite some time... it was so superior to both NT and 9x in both stability and support that it was a no brainer. XP was not that different from 2000 in terms of compatibility, so it was a painless transition. So much so that I even wondered what the point of XP was at the time, other than new eye candy. I always believed ME was a mistake and that 2000 was ready to be the new home OS, and that XP was just 2000 with a facelift to make this the case. In that it was successful. The biggest mistake XP made at launch was not enabling the firewall by default, which would have prevented all of the early XP virus epidemics. I imagine those who were going from 9x or ME to XP had more painful transition issues, but even so I think it was mainly with legacy stuff... DOS and 16-bit apps. Going from XP to Vista, current versions of major software have issues (including software from Microsoft themselves). That was not the case when XP came out. The speed and UI issues people will adjust to as hardware catches up, but there are fundamental problems with Vista which mark a serious (and troubling) change in the way MS does upgrades, which seems to put some misguided sense of "purity" over the idea that people just want their stuff to work. I feel like Vista was Microsoft's way of saying to their critics, "Fine, you want a secure computing experience? This is the hell you have to pay for it!" And I actually (mostly) like UAC when running as a user account. So no, I don't think the complaints about Vista are the same that people had about XP.
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I only hope IE is a subscription based extra, then I can just avoid it forever.
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Home server has a major bug at present. If you're using the mirror data on two drives option and modify a file on the share (ie fiddling with mp3 tag info) instead of saving it locally and copying it back the two copies can become out of sync resulting in corrupted data. MS is working on a fix and IIRC it's undergoing testing but required changes at a very low level and so isn't being released until they're certain it hasn't broken anything else.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always get punched out when I reach 4.... -- El Corazon
All well, first of all if I was to try it out I'd need more hard-drive space. Quickly filling up my 2x500GB disks (one for backups and one for converting all the movies at home to DivX (you'd be amazed how quickly they get damaged through dog hair from 3 labradors)).
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No, you just assumed I didn't read it - I was commenting entirely on the viability of the petition. Shot first? I think not?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Liar: you said waste of YOUR time. You personalised it, made it that it was what I was promulgating. You were not specific enough. I reiterate what I said.
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Hmm, am I the only one who's had absolutely no problems with Vista? I was very suprised when even games performed perfectly on a 64-bit install of Vista Ultimate. The only issue so far has had nothing to do with Vista but Abit not producing a reliable driver for my wireless card (doesn't really matter since it's a desktop). Will have to see how games perform on my new laptop which has a 32 bit install. Wasn't intended as a gaming laptop though, just something portable for train journeys and uni.
well, no EA games perform correctly. I have a Dell XPS M1710 with a Geforce 7900 GS and some games will completely crash my computer, other games don't render correctly. Dell has a driver that is 2 years old, where as Microsoft and Nvidia have released upgraded drives for the card, which neither seem to help. I can play guild wars at maximum graphic settings and it runs fine. Go figure.
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I think this is a waste of your time. Microsoft isn't going to keep selling XP. They've even said as much. We can only hope that Windows 7 is better than Vista is, but I'm not holding out hope. It's going to be a subscription based model where you buy the core code, and then pay monthly subscriptions for the parts of the OS that you need beyond that core. I also read somewhere where they're not going to any heroic effort to remain backwards compatible with existing software. IMHO, that's a big mistake, because they suddenly thrust themselves into the same arena as Linux where people don't want to use it because of compatibility issues, never mind the fact that they will be offering a for-rent module that provides the needed backwards compatibility.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001So all this time i've spent developing my .NET skills has been a waste of time and I should be learning how to develop for Linux is what you are saying?
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HELP SAVE XP Petition [^] Not so much that someone would bother to do this (good luck to them) but that Microsloth is steadfastly ignoring the (apparent) 100,000 consumers who have already signed it. I'm not one as I have learnt to live with the wonderfully quirky Vista and can't be asked to go to all the trouble of backgrading to the livelier XP.
While at it could you drop by the HELP SAVE ME Petition site? (And where is the HELP SAVE CPM site?)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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2003 is a delight to use, the majority of stuff is straight forward and easily accessed via the GUI. I've only had a dabble with 2008 but thankfully it seems to take this and just improve on it :D It was very easy to setup for my home network (very simple) and I've had no issues with it since, and thats running on a 1.2ghz Athlon XP.
originSH wrote:
2003 is a delight to use, the majority of stuff is straight forward and easily accessed via the GUI. I've only had a dabble with 2008 but thankfully it seems to take this and just improve on it It was very easy to setup for my home network (very simple) and I've had no issues with it since,
Isn't a server license rather expensive for a home network.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always get punched out when I reach 4.... -- El Corazon
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Very interesting. What are the programming languages used to develop it? Is it another flavor of Linux or a completely new OS? I several times was thinking about creating a new small OS kernel and recreating Win32, so that it could run windows apps, while keep it speedy, stable, secure and small rather than beautiful. I thought if some one stops thinking about compatibility issues from Dos to XP, it might be possible to create a small fast one. Better than them all, it's free and it can run all new Windows apps. Many times, I just forced my brain to stop dreaming! It would be a tough job. Now this one might be going to implement an idea like mine. Let's take closer look. Thanks for the link.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni while (I_am_alive)
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cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
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Very interesting. What are the programming languages used to develop it? Is it another flavor of Linux or a completely new OS? I several times was thinking about creating a new small OS kernel and recreating Win32, so that it could run windows apps, while keep it speedy, stable, secure and small rather than beautiful. I thought if some one stops thinking about compatibility issues from Dos to XP, it might be possible to create a small fast one. Better than them all, it's free and it can run all new Windows apps. Many times, I just forced my brain to stop dreaming! It would be a tough job. Now this one might be going to implement an idea like mine. Let's take closer look. Thanks for the link.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni while (I_am_alive)
{
cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
}I don't know what language(s) it's written in, but yes...it'd be nice to get off the Microsoft drain train and have something clean and simple with no ulterior marketing motives built in. I have yet to install it but I've been watching it for over a year now...it slowly plods along and hasn't died yet, so there's hope for it :) I think that operating systems take a lot of credit for what the hardware actually does. You're welcome for the link :)
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You're not the only one, I much prefer Vista over XP, the killer feature is the Start search thingy. There are a few things which I run frequently: VS2008, Office (2007 which I much prefer, the new equation editor is the best bit), VMWare (for Windows 2000 with Delphi for Uni), Remote Desktop Connection (to access my 2003 box), WinSplit Revolutions (fantastic app), Firefox (enough said), and more and more Blend (thanks to some suggestions from you can probably guess who). Everything works well on Vista and has increased my productivity so I'm not complaining. Plus I really like the new management interface for IIS 7.
Ed.Poore wrote:
Plus I really like the new management interface for IIS 7.
Yes, it's sort of ironic that to get the really pretty stuff you have to work on a service.:)
Pits fall into Chuck Norris.
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Hmm, am I the only one who's had absolutely no problems with Vista? I was very suprised when even games performed perfectly on a 64-bit install of Vista Ultimate. The only issue so far has had nothing to do with Vista but Abit not producing a reliable driver for my wireless card (doesn't really matter since it's a desktop). Will have to see how games perform on my new laptop which has a 32 bit install. Wasn't intended as a gaming laptop though, just something portable for train journeys and uni.
I have no problems either, some games and applications required a bit of thought to fix after install, but so far everything except my memory card reader is solvable. TI simply refuses to make 64bit drivers and I don't feel like writing my own, so I use a non TI solution. I also run ultimate.
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HELP SAVE XP Petition [^] Not so much that someone would bother to do this (good luck to them) but that Microsloth is steadfastly ignoring the (apparent) 100,000 consumers who have already signed it. I'm not one as I have learnt to live with the wonderfully quirky Vista and can't be asked to go to all the trouble of backgrading to the livelier XP.
Eh, they'll just have to get with the times. I remember back when i was upgrading from win98 to XP. XP tacked on the new Playschool interface and I didn't like that eating up my precious cpu cycles. "My games ran faster/better on 98" I would say. Now when XP is the norm I got Vista with it's even shinier Playschool interface. I went right back to complaining that "My games ran faster/better on XP" I finally just came to grips with the fact that every 5 or 6 years Microsoft will dump out a spiffy new OS and I'll complain that "My games ran faster/better on [previous OS here]"
