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    Paresh Solanki
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    We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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      We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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      From an article I read a while back, The Deja Vu sensation is caused by your eyes reading information into storage and then sending the message to your command center that then examines the memory for passed similar experieces and the memory is already written, Thus it appears not to be a new experiece. So It's like a sychronization problem of sorts. But yeah Deja Vu is an eerie experience at times and can be quite confusing. Regardz Colin J Davies

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        From an article I read a while back, The Deja Vu sensation is caused by your eyes reading information into storage and then sending the message to your command center that then examines the memory for passed similar experieces and the memory is already written, Thus it appears not to be a new experiece. So It's like a sychronization problem of sorts. But yeah Deja Vu is an eerie experience at times and can be quite confusing. Regardz Colin J Davies

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        I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus

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        Ahh, so you're actually just suffering from Lag -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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          We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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          Michael P Butler
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          because are lives are a continuous cycle. We are born, we live , we die, we are born, we live... déjà vu is just a memory of the previous life. Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor

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            We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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            KaRl
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            If I remember well, it's a perception shift between the 2 cerebral hemispheres, one responsible for the vision and one for the interpretation. When interpretation becomes consciencous after a small delay, you "remember" you seen it before, but in fact, your brain memorized the vision before the interpretation. We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)

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              because are lives are a continuous cycle. We are born, we live , we die, we are born, we live... déjà vu is just a memory of the previous life. Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor

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              Michael P Butler wrote: déjà vu is just a memory of the previous life Either this or something you read on CP. I'm sure if we could defrag our brains, déjà vu would be a thing of the past. But then again, that wouldn't be a good now would it? Cheers, Simon "Sign up for a chance to be among the first to experience the wrath of the gods.", Microsoft's home page (24/06/2002)

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                From an article I read a while back, The Deja Vu sensation is caused by your eyes reading information into storage and then sending the message to your command center that then examines the memory for passed similar experieces and the memory is already written, Thus it appears not to be a new experiece. So It's like a sychronization problem of sorts. But yeah Deja Vu is an eerie experience at times and can be quite confusing. Regardz Colin J Davies

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                I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus

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                Paresh Solanki
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                But how does that explain the time lag between memory and experience? Sometimes there's a day between the memory and the event. Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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                  because are lives are a continuous cycle. We are born, we live , we die, we are born, we live... déjà vu is just a memory of the previous life. Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor

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                  So when I have a deja vu moment about a post on CP, that's a memory of something that happened in a previous life? I don't think this is totally true because I have had deja vu memory of things that could only have happened in this lifetime. Details such as technology that was created recently, or current events etc Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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                    If I remember well, it's a perception shift between the 2 cerebral hemispheres, one responsible for the vision and one for the interpretation. When interpretation becomes consciencous after a small delay, you "remember" you seen it before, but in fact, your brain memorized the vision before the interpretation. We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)

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                    How long is the delay? Usually this is minutes for me (eg I 'remember' and after a couple of mins, thge 'event' happens), but sometimes it can be hours. or is that just the way I percieve it? Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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                      We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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                      Nnamdi Onyeyiri
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                      never had deja vu before. maybe its only older people that get it - youve done what ever it is before, but youve gone a bit senile and forgot. :-D ;P :-D


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                        So when I have a deja vu moment about a post on CP, that's a memory of something that happened in a previous life? I don't think this is totally true because I have had deja vu memory of things that could only have happened in this lifetime. Details such as technology that was created recently, or current events etc Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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                        Michael P Butler
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                        You live the same life over and over again. Not just a life in a different era. Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor

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                          We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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                          James Pullicino
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                          This is the way I see it: Memory works by matching existing patterns. Patterns are created in the brain whenever we experience something. When a pattern does not match 100%, we know that it is a new experience. Sometimes the brain fails and returns a 100% match to an experience which just happened. Thus we think that we've already experienced the moment. This is the way I see it: Memory works by matching existing patterns. Patterns are created in the brain whenever we experience something. When a pattern does not match 100%, we know that it is a new experience. Sometimes the brain fails and returns a 100% match to an experience which just happened. Thus we think that we've already experienced the moment. (No, I did not repeat the text, you had a dejavu) Drinking In The Sun Forgot Password?

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                            How long is the delay? Usually this is minutes for me (eg I 'remember' and after a couple of mins, thge 'event' happens), but sometimes it can be hours. or is that just the way I percieve it? Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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                            What you describe is not deja vú deja vú: You have the feeling you've seen this before - but you can't remember where or when, and, in fact, it *is* the first time you see it. It's just your brain playing dirty tricks on you. What do you mean with "remember and minutes to hours later it happens"? can you describe in more detail?


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                              We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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                              Those are all some interesting scientifc theories on Deja Vu. What are the prevalent theories to explain accurate premonition? Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                                We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."

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                                And of course, there's always the reverse experience, Vuja De. "Holy sh*t, I've never seen anything like this before in my life!" Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                                  never had deja vu before. maybe its only older people that get it - youve done what ever it is before, but youve gone a bit senile and forgot. :-D ;P :-D


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                                  Nnamdi Onyeyiri wrote: maybe its only older people that get it LOL, well no. I get deja vu quite a bit (twice a month?) and I am just a whipper snapper of 22. Nnamdi Onyeyiri wrote: "All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors." LMAO! Yeah, damned computers. They don't go with my flow man. Why can't they just work with me? Bloody prima donas. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!

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                                    Those are all some interesting scientifc theories on Deja Vu. What are the prevalent theories to explain accurate premonition? Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                                    Christopher Duncan wrote: What are the prevalent theories to explain accurate premonition? Coincidence! ;p :-D You can "predict" that something's going to happen thousands of times. Every time you get it wrong, you forget about it. The one time you get it right, you get excited and think you've had a premonition.

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                                      And of course, there's always the reverse experience, Vuja De. "Holy sh*t, I've never seen anything like this before in my life!" Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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                                      Funny, you have re-invented what we call in French the "Verlan", a kind of sublanguage based on reversing words (letters or sounds, it depends). "Verlan" corresponds to "Envers", that I would try to translate as "backward", which would give "wardback". Have you the same in english ? (Because "Déjà vu" means "Already seen" (or "seen yet" :confused: ), I would rather say "Jamais vu" (never seen) in this case) We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)

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                                        Christopher Duncan wrote: What are the prevalent theories to explain accurate premonition? Coincidence! ;p :-D You can "predict" that something's going to happen thousands of times. Every time you get it wrong, you forget about it. The one time you get it right, you get excited and think you've had a premonition.

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                                        One time, it's chance Two times, it's a coincidence Three times, it's a plot :cool: We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)

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                                          Funny, you have re-invented what we call in French the "Verlan", a kind of sublanguage based on reversing words (letters or sounds, it depends). "Verlan" corresponds to "Envers", that I would try to translate as "backward", which would give "wardback". Have you the same in english ? (Because "Déjà vu" means "Already seen" (or "seen yet" :confused: ), I would rather say "Jamais vu" (never seen) in this case) We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)

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                                          Hmmm, first the girls, now this... Er, maybe I was French in, like, a previous lifetime? :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

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