Deja Vu
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We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."
This is the way I see it: Memory works by matching existing patterns. Patterns are created in the brain whenever we experience something. When a pattern does not match 100%, we know that it is a new experience. Sometimes the brain fails and returns a 100% match to an experience which just happened. Thus we think that we've already experienced the moment. This is the way I see it: Memory works by matching existing patterns. Patterns are created in the brain whenever we experience something. When a pattern does not match 100%, we know that it is a new experience. Sometimes the brain fails and returns a 100% match to an experience which just happened. Thus we think that we've already experienced the moment. (No, I did not repeat the text, you had a dejavu) Drinking In The Sun Forgot Password?
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How long is the delay? Usually this is minutes for me (eg I 'remember' and after a couple of mins, thge 'event' happens), but sometimes it can be hours. or is that just the way I percieve it? Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."
What you describe is not deja vú deja vú: You have the feeling you've seen this before - but you can't remember where or when, and, in fact, it *is* the first time you see it. It's just your brain playing dirty tricks on you. What do you mean with "remember and minutes to hours later it happens"? can you describe in more detail?
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We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."
Those are all some interesting scientifc theories on Deja Vu. What are the prevalent theories to explain accurate premonition? Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."
And of course, there's always the reverse experience, Vuja De. "Holy sh*t, I've never seen anything like this before in my life!" Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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never had deja vu before. maybe its only older people that get it - youve done what ever it is before, but youve gone a bit senile and forgot. :-D ;P :-D
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:suss:"All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors."Nnamdi Onyeyiri wrote: maybe its only older people that get it LOL, well no. I get deja vu quite a bit (twice a month?) and I am just a whipper snapper of 22. Nnamdi Onyeyiri wrote: "All programmers are playwrights and all computers are lousy actors." LMAO! Yeah, damned computers. They don't go with my flow man. Why can't they just work with me? Bloody prima donas. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
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Those are all some interesting scientifc theories on Deja Vu. What are the prevalent theories to explain accurate premonition? Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: What are the prevalent theories to explain accurate premonition? Coincidence! ;p :-D You can "predict" that something's going to happen thousands of times. Every time you get it wrong, you forget about it. The one time you get it right, you get excited and think you've had a premonition.
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And of course, there's always the reverse experience, Vuja De. "Holy sh*t, I've never seen anything like this before in my life!" Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Funny, you have re-invented what we call in French the "Verlan", a kind of sublanguage based on reversing words (letters or sounds, it depends). "Verlan" corresponds to "Envers", that I would try to translate as "backward", which would give "wardback". Have you the same in english ? (Because "Déjà vu" means "Already seen" (or "seen yet" :confused: ), I would rather say "Jamais vu" (never seen) in this case) We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
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Christopher Duncan wrote: What are the prevalent theories to explain accurate premonition? Coincidence! ;p :-D You can "predict" that something's going to happen thousands of times. Every time you get it wrong, you forget about it. The one time you get it right, you get excited and think you've had a premonition.
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Funny, you have re-invented what we call in French the "Verlan", a kind of sublanguage based on reversing words (letters or sounds, it depends). "Verlan" corresponds to "Envers", that I would try to translate as "backward", which would give "wardback". Have you the same in english ? (Because "Déjà vu" means "Already seen" (or "seen yet" :confused: ), I would rather say "Jamais vu" (never seen) in this case) We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
Hmmm, first the girls, now this... Er, maybe I was French in, like, a previous lifetime? :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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What you describe is not deja vú deja vú: You have the feeling you've seen this before - but you can't remember where or when, and, in fact, it *is* the first time you see it. It's just your brain playing dirty tricks on you. What do you mean with "remember and minutes to hours later it happens"? can you describe in more detail?
To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
[sighist]Ok, imagine this scenario: I'm due at a client site. One that I've never been to before. So I wake up that morning, and I have a lingering memory of a dream where I am sitting at a computer with some info on the screen. No problem there, it's just like any client site I could have been to in the past. Later, I'm at this client site (the new one that I have never been to before) and it's just past lunchtime and I am demonstrating the software I have just installed to the client. The next thing I notice is that the computer screen matches 'exactly' with that of my earlier dream. Not only that, but all the details of the scene (the marks on the computer, the position of the papers on the desk etc) match precisely as I remember them in the dream. I could have been to another site with a similar setup and remembered that, but could I have been to another site that 'exactly' matches my memory of the dream? Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."
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You live the same life over and over again. Not just a life in a different era. Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
That would explain this type of situation that I have experienced. Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."
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One time, it's chance Two times, it's a coincidence Three times, it's a plot :cool: We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
Reminds me of how technical standards are formed: If one person does a stupid thing, it's a stupid thing. If ten people do a stupid thing, it's a fad. If a hundred people do a stupid thing, it's a craze. If a thousand people do a stupid thing, it's a trend. If ten thousand people do a stupid thing, it's a movement. If a hundred thousand people do a stupid thing, it's a revolution. If a million people do a stupid thing, it's a standard. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Christopher Duncan wrote: What are the prevalent theories to explain accurate premonition? Coincidence! ;p :-D You can "predict" that something's going to happen thousands of times. Every time you get it wrong, you forget about it. The one time you get it right, you get excited and think you've had a premonition.
Richard_D wrote: Coincidence! Hey, you can't fool me. That's not scientific! :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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You live the same life over and over again. Not just a life in a different era. Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
Michael P Butler wrote: You live the same life over and over again. Not just a life in a different era. Well that would certainly clear up a few things I've been experiencing. And here I'd always blamed it on the excesses of the 70s... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Hmmm, first the girls, now this... Er, maybe I was French in, like, a previous lifetime? :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
If you have scottish origins it may be, 'cause every Scottish is French and vice-versa, since a treaty signed in 1295 ("Auld alliance"), and never broken since. We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
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We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."
The way I heard it was that Deja Vu happens when something skips your short term memory and is stored in your long term memory first. That's not the natural order of things. You know what it is, but it's coming from the wrong memory banks, and so, it seems "older". One thing that I've noticed to support this is I always remember my Deja Vu experiences - which does indicate to me that they are in my long term memory. Just some thouguts... Jeremy Falcon Imputek "..." - Paul Watson 07-17
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We have a good idea of how conventional memory works: you experience something, record the details in your brain and it's available for recollection later, but what about future memory or Deja Vu? Many of us have experienced it in some form. You do something that you have never done before, yet you have a memory of doing it, but you can't have the memory because you have never done it before. How does that work So, any thoughts? No, I don't want The Matrix explanation Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."
My theory is that DeJavu is a chemical mistake where the process of remembering something is confused with actually experiencing something for the first time. So it seems like you remember it from the past, in a dream or something, but really its just a feeling of remembering, not actually remembering at all. Just a theory. I had an ex-girlfriend who eventually wound up in a psycho-ward because she she had these DeJavus all the time and they were like a half-hour long. She told me that she used to sit there knowing everything that was gonna happen before it did. That's pretty creepy.
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But how does that explain the time lag between memory and experience? Sometimes there's a day between the memory and the event. Paresh Solanki "Set you're faces to stunned..."
Paresh Solanki wrote: Sometimes there's a day between the memory and the event. Paresh, I'm not saying that what I wrote was correct it only comes from what I read, but please consider it as a possiblility. But the explanation to that is "that it seems that way, because that is how memories appear to us." Our brains are not set up to handle such short term activity. Most of the time when I have Deja Vu it feels like 3 months ago for some reason. Regardz Colin J Davies
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I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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If you have scottish origins it may be, 'cause every Scottish is French and vice-versa, since a treaty signed in 1295 ("Auld alliance"), and never broken since. We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
Karl wrote: If you have scottish origins it may be, 'cause every Scottish is French and vice-versa, since a treaty signed in 1295 ("Auld alliance"), and never broken since. I think of that treaty, somewhere once (Deja Vue) But I didn't know it had any relevance in modern times. Maybe CP will give it a refresher. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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Funny, you have re-invented what we call in French the "Verlan", a kind of sublanguage based on reversing words (letters or sounds, it depends). "Verlan" corresponds to "Envers", that I would try to translate as "backward", which would give "wardback". Have you the same in english ? (Because "Déjà vu" means "Already seen" (or "seen yet" :confused: ), I would rather say "Jamais vu" (never seen) in this case) We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
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