Programming forums [modified]
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:rant: It's been a while since I've been active on the programming forums mainly because I've been very busy these last months, but I was having one of those "bored" moments and I decided to have a look. I've heard a lot of talk about the poor quality of forums lately but I must say I was really surprised at how bad it is. It has seriously degraded since the last times I visited them. Especially the ASP.NET forum. I also know there was a lot of talk on numerous occasions as well about redesigning the forums and John Simmons has iterated this as long as I can remember, but I really think we need to find some solution for this problem because it is sad what's going on. And it's just bringing down the community. Probably some system where valuable users of the community can somehow mark these messages so that they're moved a couple of pages away or move them to a beginner's sister forum of the main forum. I know there is a high level of work going on into improving the website by trying to solve all sort of problems like article moderation, etc, but I think this is also something that needs to be looked into, because it's just sad what's going on. [EDIT] My suggestion is having a sister forum for each programming forum (or at least for the ones that are having troubles). A beginner's forum, where valuable users of the community can move those questions that are ultimately the straightforward "google it" or just so simple that they don't even deserve mention on a serious programming forum. [/EDIT]
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
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:rant: It's been a while since I've been active on the programming forums mainly because I've been very busy these last months, but I was having one of those "bored" moments and I decided to have a look. I've heard a lot of talk about the poor quality of forums lately but I must say I was really surprised at how bad it is. It has seriously degraded since the last times I visited them. Especially the ASP.NET forum. I also know there was a lot of talk on numerous occasions as well about redesigning the forums and John Simmons has iterated this as long as I can remember, but I really think we need to find some solution for this problem because it is sad what's going on. And it's just bringing down the community. Probably some system where valuable users of the community can somehow mark these messages so that they're moved a couple of pages away or move them to a beginner's sister forum of the main forum. I know there is a high level of work going on into improving the website by trying to solve all sort of problems like article moderation, etc, but I think this is also something that needs to be looked into, because it's just sad what's going on. [EDIT] My suggestion is having a sister forum for each programming forum (or at least for the ones that are having troubles). A beginner's forum, where valuable users of the community can move those questions that are ultimately the straightforward "google it" or just so simple that they don't even deserve mention on a serious programming forum. [/EDIT]
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
What I really hate is when you call someone out on their behavior (like telling them to use Google) and they start name calling or getting bitchy like "If you're not going to help just shut up." I ranted about it on my blog recently I got so annoyed. And thre freakin' text speak! You think they would notice senior members don't do that, but since they are too lazy to do their homework why would they bother?
Current Rant: "What happened to REAL programmers?" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
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What I really hate is when you call someone out on their behavior (like telling them to use Google) and they start name calling or getting bitchy like "If you're not going to help just shut up." I ranted about it on my blog recently I got so annoyed. And thre freakin' text speak! You think they would notice senior members don't do that, but since they are too lazy to do their homework why would they bother?
Current Rant: "What happened to REAL programmers?" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
What we need perhaps is for the lounge to be notified when someone replies that way so we can all go in there and excercise some peer pressure to make it clear it's not acceptible from a larger number of people.
"The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying." - David Ogilvy
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What I really hate is when you call someone out on their behavior (like telling them to use Google) and they start name calling or getting bitchy like "If you're not going to help just shut up." I ranted about it on my blog recently I got so annoyed. And thre freakin' text speak! You think they would notice senior members don't do that, but since they are too lazy to do their homework why would they bother?
Current Rant: "What happened to REAL programmers?" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
You are right. Besides the poor quality of questions, unfortunately there's not much respect going on neither. I realize this is a sensitive issue and the solutions to tackle these problems are not easy. But we should work on this to find a solution. Appealing to common sense doesn't seem to have an effect.
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
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What we need perhaps is for the lounge to be notified when someone replies that way so we can all go in there and excercise some peer pressure to make it clear it's not acceptible from a larger number of people.
"The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying." - David Ogilvy
I personally would like to have a daily post of "offenders" with links of their behavior. It would not be for flaming, but to keep everyone up on whom are the ones who do not deserve help. would others like that? Because if there is a positive response I will do it.
Current Rant: "What happened to REAL programmers?" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
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What I really hate is when you call someone out on their behavior (like telling them to use Google) and they start name calling or getting bitchy like "If you're not going to help just shut up." I ranted about it on my blog recently I got so annoyed. And thre freakin' text speak! You think they would notice senior members don't do that, but since they are too lazy to do their homework why would they bother?
Current Rant: "What happened to REAL programmers?" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
leckey wrote:
getting bitchy like "If you're not going to help just shut up."
Yes. I really hate those. Advising someone to use google is good help :rolleys: It is such a simple tool, if someone can't do a google search for a trivial programming problem, then maybe they shouldn't be into programming.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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I personally would like to have a daily post of "offenders" with links of their behavior. It would not be for flaming, but to keep everyone up on whom are the ones who do not deserve help. would others like that? Because if there is a positive response I will do it.
Current Rant: "What happened to REAL programmers?" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
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I personally would like to have a daily post of "offenders" with links of their behavior. It would not be for flaming, but to keep everyone up on whom are the ones who do not deserve help. would others like that? Because if there is a positive response I will do it.
Current Rant: "What happened to REAL programmers?" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
leckey wrote:
links of their behavior. It would not be for flaming,
They will inevitably get flamed by someone. I for one am not into that pointing fingers thing. We should ideally end up educating them, but that's not an easy thing. Most important we should find some way of cleaning up the forums of the inappropriate questions which just hide the serious questions into a sea of incompetence and unprofessionalism.
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
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I *like* it, a hall of shame.
"The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying." - David Ogilvy
Yeah, here is the first candidate: http://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/View.aspx?fid=217394&msg=2523857[^] http://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/View.aspx?fid=217394&msg=2523969[^]
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." --Groucho Marx
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Yeah, here is the first candidate: http://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/View.aspx?fid=217394&msg=2523857[^] http://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/View.aspx?fid=217394&msg=2523969[^]
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." --Groucho Marx
As much as that was funny, that is sad. That guy didn't even know what was in front of him. Hell ... didn't even hear the name of the programming language. :doh: Mark's reply was really funny.
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
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What we need perhaps is for the lounge to be notified when someone replies that way so we can all go in there and excercise some peer pressure to make it clear it's not acceptible from a larger number of people.
"The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying." - David Ogilvy
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:rant: It's been a while since I've been active on the programming forums mainly because I've been very busy these last months, but I was having one of those "bored" moments and I decided to have a look. I've heard a lot of talk about the poor quality of forums lately but I must say I was really surprised at how bad it is. It has seriously degraded since the last times I visited them. Especially the ASP.NET forum. I also know there was a lot of talk on numerous occasions as well about redesigning the forums and John Simmons has iterated this as long as I can remember, but I really think we need to find some solution for this problem because it is sad what's going on. And it's just bringing down the community. Probably some system where valuable users of the community can somehow mark these messages so that they're moved a couple of pages away or move them to a beginner's sister forum of the main forum. I know there is a high level of work going on into improving the website by trying to solve all sort of problems like article moderation, etc, but I think this is also something that needs to be looked into, because it's just sad what's going on. [EDIT] My suggestion is having a sister forum for each programming forum (or at least for the ones that are having troubles). A beginner's forum, where valuable users of the community can move those questions that are ultimately the straightforward "google it" or just so simple that they don't even deserve mention on a serious programming forum. [/EDIT]
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
I'm hoping to have something out in the next few days that will surface the good stuff a little easier. In terms of member's behaving badly I'm tempted by the idea of allow community banishing of those members who abuse the site. Thoughts?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I'm hoping to have something out in the next few days that will surface the good stuff a little easier. In terms of member's behaving badly I'm tempted by the idea of allow community banishing of those members who abuse the site. Thoughts?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I'm hoping to have something out in the next few days that will surface the good stuff a little easier. In terms of member's behaving badly I'm tempted by the idea of allow community banishing of those members who abuse the site. Thoughts?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm tempted by the idea of allow community banishing of those members who abuse the site.
I think that's a good idea. Probably along the lines of warning the user a couple of times that his behavior was reported as inappropriate and if he continues he's account will be deleted. There probably needs to be a prescription period as well, so that let's say after few years his account isn't "accidentally" deleted for deeds gathered through this period.
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
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I'm hoping to have something out in the next few days that will surface the good stuff a little easier. In terms of member's behaving badly I'm tempted by the idea of allow community banishing of those members who abuse the site. Thoughts?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I'm not entirely certain that would be a good idea. While overall it may seem pretty good, it may be the case that some members are just targeted. Perhaps if this was only available to platinum members or something, that would most probably prevent this kind of thing from happening.
My current favourite word is: Bacon!
-SK Genius
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I'm hoping to have something out in the next few days that will surface the good stuff a little easier. In terms of member's behaving badly I'm tempted by the idea of allow community banishing of those members who abuse the site. Thoughts?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Sounds like a good remedy for these types of posters http://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/View.aspx?fid=2605&msg=2524059[^]
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I'm hoping to have something out in the next few days that will surface the good stuff a little easier. In terms of member's behaving badly I'm tempted by the idea of allow community banishing of those members who abuse the site. Thoughts?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
That sounds like a good idea, with constraints (I agree with SK Genius). However, how would that prevent a fellow from creating another account?
Stupidity is an International Association - Enrique Jardiel Poncela
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:rant: It's been a while since I've been active on the programming forums mainly because I've been very busy these last months, but I was having one of those "bored" moments and I decided to have a look. I've heard a lot of talk about the poor quality of forums lately but I must say I was really surprised at how bad it is. It has seriously degraded since the last times I visited them. Especially the ASP.NET forum. I also know there was a lot of talk on numerous occasions as well about redesigning the forums and John Simmons has iterated this as long as I can remember, but I really think we need to find some solution for this problem because it is sad what's going on. And it's just bringing down the community. Probably some system where valuable users of the community can somehow mark these messages so that they're moved a couple of pages away or move them to a beginner's sister forum of the main forum. I know there is a high level of work going on into improving the website by trying to solve all sort of problems like article moderation, etc, but I think this is also something that needs to be looked into, because it's just sad what's going on. [EDIT] My suggestion is having a sister forum for each programming forum (or at least for the ones that are having troubles). A beginner's forum, where valuable users of the community can move those questions that are ultimately the straightforward "google it" or just so simple that they don't even deserve mention on a serious programming forum. [/EDIT]
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
For a new or lowly rated member instead of creating a question, spawn a new window with a Google search on the title. This will be annoying, especialy when the title is "urgent send me the codez". If the body has more that # spelling error refuse to accept the question. This may help all posters to improve spelling;P. Run the body through a content check and any occurence of the usual stock phrases causes the keyboard to disconnect all keys.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Yeah, here is the first candidate: http://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/View.aspx?fid=217394&msg=2523857[^] http://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/View.aspx?fid=217394&msg=2523969[^]
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." --Groucho Marx
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leckey wrote:
links of their behavior. It would not be for flaming,
They will inevitably get flamed by someone. I for one am not into that pointing fingers thing. We should ideally end up educating them, but that's not an easy thing. Most important we should find some way of cleaning up the forums of the inappropriate questions which just hide the serious questions into a sea of incompetence and unprofessionalism.
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
There is education, but when someone asks you a very basic question, why should I take my time to explain something they could fine hundreds of examples of if they used Google? Plus these are the ones who seem to be most defensive when you call them out. They are nothing but slackers. You either enable them or teach them their behavior will not be tolerated. I prefer the latter.
Current Rant: "What happened to REAL programmers?" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]