Is the market is optimistic or pessimism for new developer!!?????? [modified]

[Christian Graus]

I taught myself C++ at age 30, and 9 years on, I do mostly .NET and I have more than enough work for two people, I have to knock it back.

egyamado wrote:

I have been trying to study “self-study” .NET for a year and more but I cannot accomplish anything,

Well, not everyone is the same, if you want to be a dev, perhaps you'd do better doing a course ?

egyamado wrote:

Is the market for me as new developer will be my friend and help me build my future as professional developer

My reading of the situation is the market is full of bad devs, but people who know what they are doing, can pick up work very easily. So, it depends, do you think with study you can get to the point of having the skillset to expect to be in the upper level of devs, or just run of the mill ?

Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )

[Chris Austin]

egyamado wrote:

Is the market is optimistic or pessimism for new developer!!??????

If you know your stuff it's a great market for developers. But, make sure you know your stuff.

egyamado wrote:

I have been trying to study “self-study” .NET for a year and more but I cannot accomplish anything, I feel and see I am still in the same first step, did not move forward.

Books and documentation are great but they only get you so far. You could build an app that people actually use. This doesn't have to be an award winning start-up and those people can be your friends and family. But it should be something that requires user interaction from some non-geeks. The obvious benefits are that you now have something to put onto your portfolio and you are learning in the real world.

egyamado wrote:

“Is the job market as developer will support me now while I’m still new without any experiences? Alternatively, should I forget about it and start find any other job not related to computer?”

If you know how to code, and can get past a difficult interview that attempts to prove what you claim then you can make a very good income in this business.

egyamado wrote:

I need to decide soon because there is people are depending on my income. Is the market for me as new developer will be my friend and help me build my future as professional developer?

Again, you need to know what you are doing. In our industry layoffs and slim times come and go. But, the really good developers who interview well are almost always paid well and employed.

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[Mycroft Holmes]

Sinbad From what I can gather from your post you have a number of major hurdles to get over. I presume your first language is not English, although your bio says Canada. A stronger grasp of English will help you. If after a year of self study you still can't accomplish anything then I suspect your motivation to become a developer is not strong enough. I don't think you have gained any depth of knowledge, do you read, study, develop sample applications. Have you studied database design etc. All of these need to be evident in a prospective developer. This may be exascerbated by your lack of English as well. I get the distinct impression you are looking for someone to take you by the hand and lead you into being a developer. I am also self taught, however that was 20 years ago so I don't know wether it is reasonable today. I am also mentoring 2 juniors at work and both have university degrees and are highly motivated. Both work bloody hard to gain the skills they need and keeping in front of them is hard work. AFIAK the market will happily let you starve, it certainly won't give you a job, you are going to go out there and fight for it. I don't think you currertly have the ammunition to win but good luck.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

[Christian Graus]

Mycroft Holmes wrote:

Have you studied database design etc. All of these need to be evident in a prospective developer.

Depending on what sort of apps they develop, perhaps or perhaps not.

Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )

[Mycroft Holmes]

I guess I'm focused on what I do, but I can't recall an application I have ever built that did not store data. And yes my range is a little limited. One of the other teams here is building a pricing library with no data component at all!

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

[El Corazon]

Mycroft Holmes wrote:

I guess I'm focused on what I do, but I can't recall an application I have ever built that did not store data.

I do realtime 3D landscapes, I store data, but I generally don't have enough time to store them on a database, it has to be stored much closer at hand to be accessed 120 times a second for days on end.

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[Mycroft Holmes]

So you have a really bitching cache system on the client or as server with lots of memory, however I'd bet you could not manage the data without a good grounding in databases. BTW just where does all that data live. I would presume you would have a database supository for the data at some time.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

[El Corazon]

Mycroft Holmes wrote:

however I'd bet you could not manage the data without a good grounding in databases.

I couldn't do an SQL query to save my life, but I do come from the days when we used to write our own, so storage for me is never an issue. In memory data structures are 2, 3, 4, or more dimensions trees, lists, maps what ever makes sense for that particular piece of data. It has to sit in memory, and be ready, very little is cached, though landscapes I do make an exception for, it is the only thing I cache. I use an existing storage mechanism through an SDK, and I am debating on trying for a contract to write something new and innovative to shake up the terrain drawing industry. I haven't shook up the industry in at least 4 years, its time I caught up and started a nice earthquake (pun intended) into my particular industry. :)

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[Mycroft Holmes]

Ok so that puts you outside my horizon :) . 70% of my work is in SQL, straight LOB work.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

[Lost User]

As Chris mentioned, study can only take you so far. A live project where you don't get to choose the issues is much better, why not look for an open source project to get involved with? Also, a few articles on :bob:land help with presentation skills. Maybe a non programming job while you build up these skills? Also, companies like certificates so possibly part time or evening study. Elaine :rose:

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[El Corazon]

I guess a great deal of it depends on your optimism/pessimism. It is amazing what you can accomplish if you set your mind to it, and have the hunger to get the job done and do it, or learn it. I am an accountant. I took two D's in calculus at the University of New Mexico while trying for a CompSci degree, and told the university where to go before they handed me my 3rd. *bows* I switched to Business Computer Science in 1985. Vo-Tech certified to do General Ledgers, Accounts Payables, and balance sheets. My only formal languages, as in classroom study, are COBOL, RPG-II, BASIC, and PASCAL. Guess how many of those I use now? hint: India helped with the concept way back when. ;-) Now I do 3D graphics, telepresence, augmented reality, and Physics reconstruction/simulation/prediction inside that environment. Just because one University tried to flunk 92% of their incoming freshmen doesn't mean they could keep me out of the career. I was hungry, stubborn, and a bit optimistic. :laugh: Still, I managed it, though it took me 6 years to get out of accounting/business and into the fun world. :-D The largest limitation you will ever face is yourself and your expectations. I am not saying beat on one door of one company until they let you in, but find your own path into the industry, don't take a no from one company meaning a no from all, find out why the no exists, and erase it. Education can be important, I have made it clear I will be going back for degree eventually, but it is for monitary reasons not because it is required.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

[Member 96]

I've found it's best in life to pursue what makes you happy. Whether there is a market for it or not is irrelevant because if you pursue a job in something that makes you *really* happy then you will usually be very good at it and anyone who is *very* good at anything will find work doing it somewhere. If you have self studied .net programming for over a year but feel that you made no progress, perhaps it's a sign that you are not *truly* interested in it, in which case you should consider something else.

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[egyamado]

Thanks everyone for your responses I appreciated. :) I do believe now I am on my way to be developer. I wanted to know what the experiences say. Thank you. ;) I am learning now from online resources and those short videos from www.asp.net. However, I do still have another question. I am planning to take MCAD certificate and then MCSD and move on to those new certifications like MCPD, MCTS. In addition, want to squeeze my time, push my ability, and accomplish a lot in short time. For sure, I am dreaming I will have all those certifications in a year, but I will start and i have a plane and dream and an aim want to archive. The question: Is self-study will help me in this situation or should I take a course or more to help me at the beginning? :confused: I know some of you might say, it depends, it different from each person which I do know, but I do not mind to know what do you think? Thanks Sindbad