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  • T theredhead

    Trollslayer wrote:

    Any other role models people would like to list?

    Oh yeah, Steve "the woz" Wozniak all the way, and my dad ofcourse!

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    Unfortunately he's going around now pimping books he wrote where he claims to have invented the personal computer.


    "The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying." - David Ogilvy

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      Unfortunately he's going around now pimping books he wrote where he claims to have invented the personal computer.


      "The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying." - David Ogilvy

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      theredhead
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      Unless history is lying, that's basically exactly what he did tho.

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      • T theredhead

        Unless history is lying, that's basically exactly what he did tho.

        /^([b]{2}|[^b]{2})$/

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        No he did not. His work improved upon prior personal computers and kits that were around previously. To claim he invented the personal computer is profoundly wrong. If he claimed he helped or improved upon etc then I'd be fine with that but to say he invented it is a baldfaced lie. The amount of people that were around at that time and know what was happening are vanishingly small these days so it's a claim that will go over unquestioned with the great majority, but I think it's an insult to dozens if not hundreds of people who were working in the field before he came around.


        "The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying." - David Ogilvy

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          No he did not. His work improved upon prior personal computers and kits that were around previously. To claim he invented the personal computer is profoundly wrong. If he claimed he helped or improved upon etc then I'd be fine with that but to say he invented it is a baldfaced lie. The amount of people that were around at that time and know what was happening are vanishingly small these days so it's a claim that will go over unquestioned with the great majority, but I think it's an insult to dozens if not hundreds of people who were working in the field before he came around.


          "The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying." - David Ogilvy

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          uhm, say what you want, but it was Woz who coined the term "Personal Computer" there were homebrew machines around when he built his, but all that is moot since nobody could afford one, nobody that wasn't an engineer and had access to the parts, and the skills to put it together. Either way, first or not, his is the one that made the difference. To me anyway, so he'll still be my hero.

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          • T theredhead

            uhm, say what you want, but it was Woz who coined the term "Personal Computer" there were homebrew machines around when he built his, but all that is moot since nobody could afford one, nobody that wasn't an engineer and had access to the parts, and the skills to put it together. Either way, first or not, his is the one that made the difference. To me anyway, so he'll still be my hero.

            /^([b]{2}|[^b]{2})$/

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            theredhead wrote:

            but it was Woz who coined the term "Personal Computer"

            No, in fact it wasn't. The first usage of the term "Personal Computer" in a commercial product advertisement was in Oct. 1968 for the HP 911A. You don't have a solid grasp on all this but that's fine, it's ancient history now anyway and I realize no one gives a crap about what is right anymore, just what "feels" right. :)


            "The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying." - David Ogilvy

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            • T theredhead

              Unless history is lying, that's basically exactly what he did tho.

              /^([b]{2}|[^b]{2})$/

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              Dan Neely
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              He's no more the inventor of the PC than Al Gore is the inventor of the internet. :rolleyes:

              You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon

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              • T theredhead

                uhm, say what you want, but it was Woz who coined the term "Personal Computer" there were homebrew machines around when he built his, but all that is moot since nobody could afford one, nobody that wasn't an engineer and had access to the parts, and the skills to put it together. Either way, first or not, his is the one that made the difference. To me anyway, so he'll still be my hero.

                /^([b]{2}|[^b]{2})$/

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                theredhead wrote:

                there were homebrew machines around when he built his, but all that is moot since nobody could afford one, nobody that wasn't an engineer and had access to the parts, and the skills to put it together.

                The Altair came in a kit if you wanted to put it together, but they also sold them pre-assembled. Definitely not homebrew, and came out a year before the Apple I.

                Imagine that you are hired to build a bridge over a river. The width of the river increases slightly every day, except when it shrinks. Your budget does not allow for you to use concrete or steel - you can only afford timber and cut stone. Gravity changes from hour to hour, as does the viscosity of air. Your only tools are a hacksaw, a chainsaw, a rubber mallet, and a length of rope. Welcome to my world. -Me explaining my job to an engineer

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                  He's no more the inventor of the PC than Al Gore is the inventor of the internet. :rolleyes:

                  You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon

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                  dan neely wrote:

                  He's no more the inventor of the PC than Al Gore is the inventor of the internet. :rolleyes:

                  So, you are in fact agreeing then, that Steve Wozniak invented the Personal Computer.

                  Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                    dan neely wrote:

                    He's no more the inventor of the PC than Al Gore is the inventor of the internet. :rolleyes:

                    So, you are in fact agreeing then, that Steve Wozniak invented the Personal Computer.

                    Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                    Hello? Is this the SAC? Yes I'll hold. I got a luanch order for you coordinates of....

                    You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon

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                      theredhead wrote:

                      there were homebrew machines around when he built his, but all that is moot since nobody could afford one, nobody that wasn't an engineer and had access to the parts, and the skills to put it together.

                      The Altair came in a kit if you wanted to put it together, but they also sold them pre-assembled. Definitely not homebrew, and came out a year before the Apple I.

                      Imagine that you are hired to build a bridge over a river. The width of the river increases slightly every day, except when it shrinks. Your budget does not allow for you to use concrete or steel - you can only afford timber and cut stone. Gravity changes from hour to hour, as does the viscosity of air. Your only tools are a hacksaw, a chainsaw, a rubber mallet, and a length of rope. Welcome to my world. -Me explaining my job to an engineer

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                      theredhead
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                      the altair was a box with switches in no way similar to the personal computer we know today so what's your point?

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                      • T theredhead

                        the altair was a box with switches in no way similar to the personal computer we know today so what's your point?

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                        My point was that the Altair was the first commercial machine available to every day people that used a commodity, mainstream processor (the 8088 I believe). It may have been a glorified calculator, but what do you think personal computers are in the first place?

                        Imagine that you are hired to build a bridge over a river. The width of the river increases slightly every day, except when it shrinks. Your budget does not allow for you to use concrete or steel - you can only afford timber and cut stone. Gravity changes from hour to hour, as does the viscosity of air. Your only tools are a hacksaw, a chainsaw, a rubber mallet, and a length of rope. Welcome to my world. -Me explaining my job to an engineer

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