Calling for mr. John Simmons
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Some people deserve it no matter what. I think we got into once because your wife is 100% Iroquois and I'm not full NATIVE AMERICAN (again--for Viky). I think we get frustrated in general (like dealing with idiots in the forums) so when I new person asks 'how to create a chat application?' we can't take it anymore and explode.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
As far as we can tell the US is doing precisely that inside Iran, i.e. behaving as a terrorist state which kind of explains a lot of what's coming back the other way
Gotta link?
No, it's practically impossible to get hard information because the Iranian regieme doesn't want to show weakness by admitting what's going on. To get a good picture you'd need to compile the fragmentary reports of terrorist incidents in south and southwest Iran over the past few years, there have been quite a few and correlate them with statements out of the pentagon and from the likes of John Bolton. Those who've done this and some sources I'm not going to name have concluded that CIA agents are stirring up tribal tensions inside Iran. That they're spending quite a lot of money is clear and the money trail appears to lead back to the Pentagon. The connection between this stirring and inter-tribal violence can only be speculated at but it doesn't take a genius to work out what's going on. It is of course possible that my conclusions on this are wrong but that would require an alternative explanation of what the money is being spent on inside Iran and a breaking of precedent. If you want to know more look up the history of Prime Minister Mossadeq[^] and his removal at the hands of British and American agents in operation Ajax.
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You've obviously never lived where there are Indian reservations.
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leckey wrote:
You've obviously never lived where there are Indian reservations.
No, I never have lived near a reservation. I went to school with an Indian boy ... whose father my mother had gone to school with. No reservations in sight. [edit: though, if I remember right, the father had been born on a reservation] My grandfather never told my mother his mother was an Indian (Miami, probably, being Indiana and all). She learned after his death the reason her stepmother would call him "Sitting Bull" when she was angry with him. My father's mother denied my direct question whether she was part Indian. After her death, my father's older brother answered the same question with: "Yes, 'her people' were Indians." (Creek? Cherokee? Shawnee? Beats me!). My father's father was known by all "our people" to be the grandson of an Indian woman (Cherokee). My father's mother was known by all "our people" to be the granddaughter of a Jewish woman. And other than the odd facts that my grandmother and grandfather themselves were apparently embarrassed to be part Indian, I can't see that anyone else ever cared. But no, I've never lived near a reservation. edit: And cousins on both sides are Mexicans. Which is to say, they are Indians or part-Indians. And no one cares ... but then, they do speak English! edit2: And I also have black relatives, including a new grand-niece ... on top of having lived much of my childhood as a child of the only "white" family for blocks around. And no one cares.
modified on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 3:37 PM
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Ilíon wrote:
Well, no, *people* generate violence.
Yep, that's what I meant.
Ilíon wrote:
It's the rationales for the violence ... and the "acceptable" limits to the use of violence ... which largely determine the end-result.
Totally agree on that.
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leckey wrote:
You've obviously never lived where there are Indian reservations.
No, I never have lived near a reservation. I went to school with an Indian boy ... whose father my mother had gone to school with. No reservations in sight. [edit: though, if I remember right, the father had been born on a reservation] My grandfather never told my mother his mother was an Indian (Miami, probably, being Indiana and all). She learned after his death the reason her stepmother would call him "Sitting Bull" when she was angry with him. My father's mother denied my direct question whether she was part Indian. After her death, my father's older brother answered the same question with: "Yes, 'her people' were Indians." (Creek? Cherokee? Shawnee? Beats me!). My father's father was known by all "our people" to be the grandson of an Indian woman (Cherokee). My father's mother was known by all "our people" to be the granddaughter of a Jewish woman. And other than the odd facts that my grandmother and grandfather themselves were apparently embarrassed to be part Indian, I can't see that anyone else ever cared. But no, I've never lived near a reservation. edit: And cousins on both sides are Mexicans. Which is to say, they are Indians or part-Indians. And no one cares ... but then, they do speak English! edit2: And I also have black relatives, including a new grand-niece ... on top of having lived much of my childhood as a child of the only "white" family for blocks around. And no one cares.
modified on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 3:37 PM
Ilíon wrote:
my grandmother and grandfather themselves were apparently embarrassed to be part Indian
My husband's great grandmother used to say they were part "gypsy." We didn't know until after she died and we went through some of her things that she meant NATIVE AMERICAN.
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...and Central America and North America (we had one that endured from 1929 until 2000). Yes, there are plenty of examples.
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Some people deserve it no matter what. I think we got into once because your wife is 100% Iroquois and I'm not full NATIVE AMERICAN (again--for Viky). I think we get frustrated in general (like dealing with idiots in the forums) so when I new person asks 'how to create a chat application?' we can't take it anymore and explode.
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Yes, she's Iroquois, that's correct. I think you have to take the forums with a grain of salt.
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Ilíon wrote:
my grandmother and grandfather themselves were apparently embarrassed to be part Indian
My husband's great grandmother used to say they were part "gypsy." We didn't know until after she died and we went through some of her things that she meant NATIVE AMERICAN.
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And in the now, and just as I said and which you were trying to dispute, the typical American sees first another individual human being when he interacts with another. The typical American does not *want* to see others as the local incarnation of some group, he *wants* to see each individual as his own unique self. To get that "group-identity" BS, one has to find some "liberals."
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Yes, she's Iroquois, that's correct. I think you have to take the forums with a grain of salt.
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:rolleyes:
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It was like the Top-10 list from David Letterman (only I couldn't come up with ten things). But since you want to make it a serious political discussion... First, I don't know the minds of the men that decided to develop/use nuclear weapons, and you certainly can' blame anyone other than those men for that action. If you really sit down and analyze it, whoever developed the tech first was bound to use it. I suppose it came down to a matter of either was us doing it, or the Japanese/Nazis doing it. Which would you have preferred? (And don't think for even half a second that the Nazis would have stopped with just two weapons.) Lastly, it looks like the whole world learned a very scary lesson that day, and nukes haven't been used since. The fact that the US is the first and only country to use nuclear weapons is irrelevant to this discussion. Now, presented with the admittedly skewed news media reports, and mixed in with a jaundiced view of military intelligence reports, here's what we think we know. 1) Iran is actively supplying insurgents in Iraq with weapons, training, and (covertly) manpower. This is being done in an attempt to keep Iraq destabilized. 2) Iran is actively seeking nuclear technology. The goal of thousands of centrifuges is NOT for development of nuclear fuel for reactors, but is a blatant attempt to develop nuclear weapons. 3) Given Iran's disdain for all things U.S. and Israeli, you can probably understand the trepidation most of the rest of the world has expressed with regards to Iran's nuclear ambitions. It doesn't take a high-school graduate to figure Iran is up to no good with regards to its nuclear energy program. 4) I personally think the sanctions are pointless. It hasn't stopped Iran's search for nuclear weapon technology. 5) I personally think the US government isn't trying hard enough to avoid armed conflict with Iran. 6) I personally think that the Iraq war was a bad idea because the intel claiming the presence of "weapons of mass destruction" were too vague, and almost impossible to verify. 7) I personally think that the US should stop meddling in the affairs other countries (or at least be more selective about where they meddle and when). It's obvious to me that the Middle East - as a whole - is not interested in working out their regional differences. Y'all are acting like a bunch of third graders fighting over a swing on the playground. 8) VB sucks and I actually pity anyone forced to code in it. However, if they refuse to walk into the ligh
John, In general, I agree with Chris Maunder's comment in the lounge. Also, I am not here to debate with you any specific subject. I just wanted to say that people wherever they are need to realize that they belong to one single identity. And that is humanity. There is enough trouble in the world. You are a lucky man you grew up where you did. Thanks for your consideration. Emad
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Sadly I've learned more about South American history through Isabel Allende books than in school.
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I learned more about it through the many South Americans (especially from Chile and Argentina) exiled here due to the repression in their countries. :sigh:
leckey wrote:
through Isabel Allende books
Fair enough. You chose a great writer (City of Beasts is my favorite).
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I learned more about it through the many South Americans (especially from Chile and Argentina) exiled here due to the repression in their countries. :sigh:
leckey wrote:
through Isabel Allende books
Fair enough. You chose a great writer (City of Beasts is my favorite).
Stupidity is an International Association - Enrique Jardiel Poncela
When was that written? I have not read that one. I can only imagine how beautiful she writes in Spanish; it's go good in English. Someone does an awesome job of translating. (Not sure if she does it herself.) I don't know if I could pick a favorite though. For some reason I'm having trouble remembering a lot of the older titles.
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When was that written? I have not read that one. I can only imagine how beautiful she writes in Spanish; it's go good in English. Someone does an awesome job of translating. (Not sure if she does it herself.) I don't know if I could pick a favorite though. For some reason I'm having trouble remembering a lot of the older titles.
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leckey wrote:
When was that written?
It was published in 2002, and is part of a trilogy, being Kingdom of the Golden Dragon (2004) and Forest of the Pygmies (2004) the sequels.
leckey wrote:
I can only imagine how beautiful she writes in Spanish
She actually does. Haven't read the English translations though, so I couldn't judge, but I imagine that they must be pretty good ones. Perhaps she does them themselves, she's living in California for a while (AFAIK), so she must master the English quite well, I presume.
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John, In general, I agree with Chris Maunder's comment in the lounge. Also, I am not here to debate with you any specific subject. I just wanted to say that people wherever they are need to realize that they belong to one single identity. And that is humanity. There is enough trouble in the world. You are a lucky man you grew up where you did. Thanks for your consideration. Emad
Emad A wrote:
I just wanted to say that people wherever they are need to realize that they belong to one single identity. And that is humanity.
Sod. I want to be a hamster.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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leckey wrote:
When was that written?
It was published in 2002, and is part of a trilogy, being Kingdom of the Golden Dragon (2004) and Forest of the Pygmies (2004) the sequels.
leckey wrote:
I can only imagine how beautiful she writes in Spanish
She actually does. Haven't read the English translations though, so I couldn't judge, but I imagine that they must be pretty good ones. Perhaps she does them themselves, she's living in California for a while (AFAIK), so she must master the English quite well, I presume.
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I haven't read that series yet. I like The House of the Spirits (although the movie was terrible), Daughter or Fortune, and Eva Luna. I was a little disappointed in Zoro. I checked her on Wikipedia to get the title I was forgetting--interesting that she falls under the same category as Gabriel Garcia Marquez (magical realism). I also like his work. Never really thought of them in the same way other than the Spanish background.
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
California for a while (AFAIK), so she must master the English quite well
Depending on the part of CA, no English necessary.
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I haven't read that series yet. I like The House of the Spirits (although the movie was terrible), Daughter or Fortune, and Eva Luna. I was a little disappointed in Zoro. I checked her on Wikipedia to get the title I was forgetting--interesting that she falls under the same category as Gabriel Garcia Marquez (magical realism). I also like his work. Never really thought of them in the same way other than the Spanish background.
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
California for a while (AFAIK), so she must master the English quite well
Depending on the part of CA, no English necessary.
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leckey wrote:
she falls under the same category as Gabriel Garcia Marquez (magical realism).
Oh yes, almost every Latin American literature is magical realism (the most famous at least). It's my favorite movement, surpassing even the late romanticism. Yet I've been disappointed many times by it (say, The Tin Drum by Günter Grass). As for Gabo, I like some of his works (being "The colonel has no one who writes to him*" the best). By the way, you might enjoy Mario Vargas Llosa as well. Novels like Captain Pantoja and the Special Service found its characters in funny absurd situations (classic characteristic of the MR, but Mario takes it to another level). The thing is that the style it was written (without punctuations and separation between phrases and paragraphs) makes it a little tough to read. * Don't know if that's the translation given to the title in English: couldn't find a reference.
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leckey wrote:
Crap--I totally did not realize who I was posting too-I thought it was Ilidiot. My apologies; I'm going to redo the post.
Leave it, I don't care. I'm a complete bastard with 12 inch thick skin anyways. Besides, you are not among the select few that I enjoy giving a hard time to.
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Emad A wrote:
I just wanted to say that people wherever they are need to realize that they belong to one single identity. And that is humanity.
Sod. I want to be a hamster.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I wouldn't call it gusto, and for the record, I invited him to move the discussion to the soapbox because he turned what I posted into a serious political discussion.
Well, whatever. It was more suited to this messageboard than the lounge. At least it's been kept civil and intelligent unlike the drivel that's been spilled here lately.
Well, I wasn't mad at the guy - I cracked a joke and a lot of people became offended - even Hamed (once realizing I was playing with him) came down off the ledge. It surprises me that so many people (I'm taking about the regulars here) are still surprised and offended by anything I say. They know I insult as many people as I can in a given instance and whenever I see an opening, and they're equally aware that I don't mean anything by it. It's a little harmless fun at the expense of someone else. If someone wants to spar, they're more than welcome to step into the circle with me. This is really a lot of hullabaloo over nothing.
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