Calling for mr. John Simmons
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It wasn't a word problem! I wasn't being insulting with the "youth is wasted on the young" quote. What I meant is that you don't realize how precious your time is when you're young until you get older. Maturity comes with heavier responsibilities and less free time to live and enjoy. As you get older you also have to face alot of unpleasant things along the way. I've done things and seen things I wish I hadn't - and that's the beauty of one's younger years: you get somewhat insulated from that. Anyways, I'm not trying to be pessimistic, I'm just giving you my perspective. You have an excellent head on your shoulders that will see you through.
Apologies for jumping into a conversation lilke this, but alot of this is bollocks. I have faced far less unpleasentness in my latter life than I did when young. Life is easy when you are older, a lot easier. You get to know yourself, know how people tick, dont take yourself or others too seriously, and learn to accept failure, both in you and others. Youth? Screw it. All that agonising over sex, ones appearance, what people think of you. Being told what to do, and worst of all, living an egotistical life. Its a painfull existence, I wouldnt take it back for one second. As for responsibilities, that is just a choice, not a condition. You dont have to be 'old' just because you get older.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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You're being very negative.
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You're not statistically significant. ;)
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Apologies for jumping into a conversation lilke this, but alot of this is bollocks. I have faced far less unpleasentness in my latter life than I did when young. Life is easy when you are older, a lot easier. You get to know yourself, know how people tick, dont take yourself or others too seriously, and learn to accept failure, both in you and others. Youth? Screw it. All that agonising over sex, ones appearance, what people think of you. Being told what to do, and worst of all, living an egotistical life. Its a painfull existence, I wouldnt take it back for one second. As for responsibilities, that is just a choice, not a condition. You dont have to be 'old' just because you get older.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I don't mind if you jump in. You've obviously had a different experience than I have. Perhaps it's because I worked in a medical environment where I saw alot of death and suffering. I think age comes with increased responsibility, your mileage may vary but I don't think Ravel is up for mortgage or car payments or taxes or complicated relationships...
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You're not statistically significant. ;)
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
You're not statistically significant.
Join the 'statistically insignificant club' if you want to! Its your choice! I know you are having a lot of fun, but wait till your late 20's early 30's. You are still young enough physically to survive the hangovers, and do stuff, and you start to earn enough wedge to get the hangovers and do stuff!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
You're not statistically significant.
Join the 'statistically insignificant club' if you want to! Its your choice! I know you are having a lot of fun, but wait till your late 20's early 30's. You are still young enough physically to survive the hangovers, and do stuff, and you start to earn enough wedge to get the hangovers and do stuff!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Well, I can't compare my teens to my thirties, obviously, and you seem to be discouraging me from enjoying myself...:suss:
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I don't mind if you jump in. You've obviously had a different experience than I have. Perhaps it's because I worked in a medical environment where I saw alot of death and suffering. I think age comes with increased responsibility, your mileage may vary but I don't think Ravel is up for mortgage or car payments or taxes or complicated relationships...
73Zeppelin wrote:
You've obviously had a different experience than I have
Abusive violent father, monastery boarding school, public school (public as in Tom Brown schooldays, ie, a vicous and nasty place). Yeah, youth was a real gas...
73Zeppelin wrote:
Perhaps it's because I worked in a medical environment where I saw alot of death and suffering.
True, but like I wrote, life is choice.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I think age comes with increased responsibility
Can do, again, its a choice. You dont have to get a mortgage, and running an old junker is easy. If ity breaks chuck it and buy another. As for relationships, well, they can always be complex, particularly male/female.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Well, I can't compare my teens to my thirties, obviously, and you seem to be discouraging me from enjoying myself...:suss:
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
and you seem to be discouraging me from enjoying myself...
Oh no, quite the opposite, just that the scope for self exploration and enjoyment is vastly greater post mid 20's (actually, university is pretty good fun too, so even post 18 life gets a lot more fun. I mean seriously much more fun)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
and you seem to be discouraging me from enjoying myself...
Oh no, quite the opposite, just that the scope for self exploration and enjoyment is vastly greater post mid 20's (actually, university is pretty good fun too, so even post 18 life gets a lot more fun. I mean seriously much more fun)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Well, OK then! :)
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73Zeppelin wrote:
You've obviously had a different experience than I have
Abusive violent father, monastery boarding school, public school (public as in Tom Brown schooldays, ie, a vicous and nasty place). Yeah, youth was a real gas...
73Zeppelin wrote:
Perhaps it's because I worked in a medical environment where I saw alot of death and suffering.
True, but like I wrote, life is choice.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I think age comes with increased responsibility
Can do, again, its a choice. You dont have to get a mortgage, and running an old junker is easy. If ity breaks chuck it and buy another. As for relationships, well, they can always be complex, particularly male/female.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Abusive violent father, monastery boarding school, public school (public as in Tom Brown schooldays, ie, a vicous and nasty place). Yeah, youth was a real gas...
My parents were fine, but I had the same type of public school experience as you.
fat_boy wrote:
Can do, again, its a choice. You dont have to get a mortgage, and running an old junker is easy. If ity breaks chuck it and buy another.
There's very few people can buy a house outright. Renting sucks and living in a box doesn't exactly get your mail delivered. Anyways, I gave him my experience it's good he sees another side.
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fat_boy wrote:
Abusive violent father, monastery boarding school, public school (public as in Tom Brown schooldays, ie, a vicous and nasty place). Yeah, youth was a real gas...
My parents were fine, but I had the same type of public school experience as you.
fat_boy wrote:
Can do, again, its a choice. You dont have to get a mortgage, and running an old junker is easy. If ity breaks chuck it and buy another.
There's very few people can buy a house outright. Renting sucks and living in a box doesn't exactly get your mail delivered. Anyways, I gave him my experience it's good he sees another side.
73Zeppelin wrote:
My parents were fine
You were lucky.
73Zeppelin wrote:
but I had the same type of public school experience as you
Beaten by monks? Systematic bullying? Actually some of the monks got done for sexually abusing boys a few years after the school closed. Fortunately I was spared this experience at least. Generally, a brutalising and destructive experience. Probably explains why I am slightly sociopathic although it is overridden by alcohol and fags.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Renting sucks
Can do thats for sure.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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73Zeppelin wrote:
My parents were fine
You were lucky.
73Zeppelin wrote:
but I had the same type of public school experience as you
Beaten by monks? Systematic bullying? Actually some of the monks got done for sexually abusing boys a few years after the school closed. Fortunately I was spared this experience at least. Generally, a brutalising and destructive experience. Probably explains why I am slightly sociopathic although it is overridden by alcohol and fags.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Renting sucks
Can do thats for sure.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Not beaten by monks, but certainly by peers. And systematic bullying, yes.
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Not beaten by monks, but certainly by peers. And systematic bullying, yes.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Not beaten by monks, but certainly by peers. And systematic bullying, yes.
And you would cash your chips in to go back? :wtf: :omg: :confused: The only way I'd go back is with a fucking pump action shotgun. :mad:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Not beaten by monks, but certainly by peers. And systematic bullying, yes.
And you would cash your chips in to go back? :wtf: :omg: :confused: The only way I'd go back is with a fucking pump action shotgun. :mad:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Not for that part. :rolleyes: For other reasons. Mainly to forget some of the other things I've witnessed. These days I have to make do with beer.
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Not for that part. :rolleyes: For other reasons. Mainly to forget some of the other things I've witnessed. These days I have to make do with beer.
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Not for that part. :rolleyes: For other reasons. Mainly to forget some of the other things I've witnessed. These days I have to make do with beer.
73Zeppelin wrote:
For other reasons. Mainly to forget some of the other things I've witnessed. These days I have to make do with beer.
:( That's...horrible.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
For other reasons. Mainly to forget some of the other things I've witnessed. These days I have to make do with beer.
:( That's...horrible.
Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing.
There are much more horrible things in this world, trust me.
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So you would go bacj just so you could choose a different path perhaps?
73Zeppelin wrote:
These days I have to make do with beer.
Amen to that!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
So you would go bacj just so you could choose a different path perhaps?
Hard to say. I worked at a cancer centre that handled pediatric cases. If you ever want to question the existence of god, try working in an environment like that for several years. Then you'll understand why Faithfull and Idiot are so full of shit as to think that somehow god smiles upon them while others and their children die in misery. And now Ravel knows why I drink beer to forget.
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fat_boy wrote:
So you would go bacj just so you could choose a different path perhaps?
Hard to say. I worked at a cancer centre that handled pediatric cases. If you ever want to question the existence of god, try working in an environment like that for several years. Then you'll understand why Faithfull and Idiot are so full of shit as to think that somehow god smiles upon them while others and their children die in misery. And now Ravel knows why I drink beer to forget.
Uhh, umm, holy crap... Are you all right?
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fat_boy wrote:
So you would go bacj just so you could choose a different path perhaps?
Hard to say. I worked at a cancer centre that handled pediatric cases. If you ever want to question the existence of god, try working in an environment like that for several years. Then you'll understand why Faithfull and Idiot are so full of shit as to think that somehow god smiles upon them while others and their children die in misery. And now Ravel knows why I drink beer to forget.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I worked at a cancer centre that handled pediatric cases
Eek. I can imagine thats a little tough to handle. As you say, it makes it very clear that either there is no one up there in charge, or if there is, he/she/it is utterly incompetent and worthy of total disrespect. Do you have kids yourself? I could imagine after wehat you saw it might be difficult to imagine having them yourself.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription