Worm court: The is the farce that doesn't end... [modified]
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
There, amended
Yeah great! Now the dozen replies you have already will have the wrong subject!
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"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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I've been very disconnected from CP lately, so I've missed the beginning of the story. Do you care to write a short summary for those of us who didn't know what happened? :) It seems everything is going on our favor, so you'll win that easily. The only bad thing, as others have said, is the lost time.
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico My Blog!
Whoa! That's going a while back compadre! Here is a cache of the very first link: Clickety[^] I can't seem to find other links, but the gist of it was that last June I ordered a salad from this restaurant, found a worm in it, they apologized then sued me. I'm counter suing but their case is turning out to be a complete farce.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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I've been very disconnected from CP lately, so I've missed the beginning of the story. Do you care to write a short summary for those of us who didn't know what happened? :) It seems everything is going on our favor, so you'll win that easily. The only bad thing, as others have said, is the lost time.
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico My Blog!
Aha! Found a summary I gave to Dario Solara of Screwturn fame. Enjoy :) http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=2443336#xx2443336xx[^]
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Finally, after an incredibly long delay, we have a session where they brought a witness (at the court's order no less, order being a reprimand that if they don't get a witness they (the prosecution) will be considered incapable of providing evidence). Guess, what? It was a farce all over again. First they show up, the witness is introduced, his name is stated and when asked for picture ID (the courts only accept government approved IDs such as National IDs, Passports, Driver's License etc.) he offered his ATM card and his health insurance card. The judge went "ballistic" is to put it mildly. Ape-poop is more descriptive of the situation. Railing at the lawyer he threatened him of placing him In Contempt of the court for actions that are demeaning to the court. Apparently, this other idiot (the witness is the restaurant's floor manager) was traveling the same day and his passport (he's Lebanese by the way and so he has no local ID) and his passport was at the travel agency (for some insane reason that I'm unaware of). Court is adjourned for an hour when the witness was supposed to return with his passport. He returns, court resumes. You can feel the judge's seething anger at the prosecution throughout the whole hearing. Especially once the witness made it quite evident that he bore no witness to any of the events that occurred and was indeed told everything by a previous witness (the regional manager). This guy came with absolutely no new information, he just parroted everything that guy told him. One thing though in their favor was that he said the regional manager came over to my work place and offered me a big bunch of flowers a basket of fruits and goodies from the restaurant and an open invitation for two as a way of apologizing for what happened. It took my lawyer 5 minutes to decimate the "witness" and his so called testimony. The judge actually spent 20 minutes asking him questions to clarify the records in the court. You can see the conviction in the Judge's eyes that he firmly believes that there was a big fat worm in the salad and that they're suing me out of frustration and spite. Till the 22nd when the farce resumes. [edit] Yay! A univoter! :D
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numb
Law and Order (Jordanian style). The case continues... Prosecutor: Your honour. I'd like to bring forward a witness for the prosecution. Defence: Objection your honour. The defence team weren't notified of any additional witnesses. Prosecutor: Your honour, this witness has only come forward in the last day and we haven't had time to inform the defense before the hearing. His testimony is vital, and goes to the very heart of the defenses case. Judge: Very well - I'll allow it, but I warn you - I'll declare a mistrial if I think you're playing me. Prosecutor: Thank you your honour. The prosecution calls "The worm". (Gasps round the courtroom as the worm is lead to the witness box). Bailiff: Would you raise your right....? OK - no hands. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Worm: I do. Prosecutor: In your own words Mr Worm, could you please tell us what happened on the day in question? Worm: I was on my way to work, when this guy comes up to me and asks me for a favour. I don't know him, so I ignore him. Next thing I know, Bam. He's scooped me up and dropped me in a pocket - turns out that him and some friends of his are off for a meal and they're gonna play a little joke on the manager of the restaurant. I'm stuck in his pocket for half a stinkin hour and next thing I know, he scoops me out and drops me on a plate of salad. Folks are screaming and he's shouting at the manager. Me - I don't know from nothing. (Turmoil in the court - one jury member faints). Judge: Order in court. Order. MIM: Ooh - I'll have a pepperoni Pizza. Judge: Would you silence your client please, or I'll hold him in contempt. Prosecutor: Thank you Mr Worm. No further questions. Defence: Mr Worm. In your testimony, you state that you were on your way to work. What is it that you do exactly? Worm: (mumbles) Defence: Pardon. I didn't quite catch that. Worm: I'm an actor. Defence: Really? What parts do you play? Worm: I'm a body double. Defence: Really? A body double. Who for? Worm: (mumbles) Defence: Could you speak up - I couldn't quite hear that. For a second, I thought you said the worm in the salad. Worm: That's right. So what if I did? This guy (indicates the prosecutor who's hastily shovelling a large amount of unmarked bills into a briefcase), this guy comes up to me last night and asks if I want to stand in for the worm. Only, I have to tell the story the way he wants cos if I don't he's gonna throw me in the slammer on drugs ch
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Law and Order (Jordanian style). The case continues... Prosecutor: Your honour. I'd like to bring forward a witness for the prosecution. Defence: Objection your honour. The defence team weren't notified of any additional witnesses. Prosecutor: Your honour, this witness has only come forward in the last day and we haven't had time to inform the defense before the hearing. His testimony is vital, and goes to the very heart of the defenses case. Judge: Very well - I'll allow it, but I warn you - I'll declare a mistrial if I think you're playing me. Prosecutor: Thank you your honour. The prosecution calls "The worm". (Gasps round the courtroom as the worm is lead to the witness box). Bailiff: Would you raise your right....? OK - no hands. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Worm: I do. Prosecutor: In your own words Mr Worm, could you please tell us what happened on the day in question? Worm: I was on my way to work, when this guy comes up to me and asks me for a favour. I don't know him, so I ignore him. Next thing I know, Bam. He's scooped me up and dropped me in a pocket - turns out that him and some friends of his are off for a meal and they're gonna play a little joke on the manager of the restaurant. I'm stuck in his pocket for half a stinkin hour and next thing I know, he scoops me out and drops me on a plate of salad. Folks are screaming and he's shouting at the manager. Me - I don't know from nothing. (Turmoil in the court - one jury member faints). Judge: Order in court. Order. MIM: Ooh - I'll have a pepperoni Pizza. Judge: Would you silence your client please, or I'll hold him in contempt. Prosecutor: Thank you Mr Worm. No further questions. Defence: Mr Worm. In your testimony, you state that you were on your way to work. What is it that you do exactly? Worm: (mumbles) Defence: Pardon. I didn't quite catch that. Worm: I'm an actor. Defence: Really? What parts do you play? Worm: I'm a body double. Defence: Really? A body double. Who for? Worm: (mumbles) Defence: Could you speak up - I couldn't quite hear that. For a second, I thought you said the worm in the salad. Worm: That's right. So what if I did? This guy (indicates the prosecutor who's hastily shovelling a large amount of unmarked bills into a briefcase), this guy comes up to me last night and asks if I want to stand in for the worm. Only, I have to tell the story the way he wants cos if I don't he's gonna throw me in the slammer on drugs ch
If I could give you two 5s for the post I would :D :laugh: A masterly piece, surely Monty Python worthy! :D
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
MIM: Ooh - I'll have a pepperoni Pizza.
Totally :laugh:
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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If I could give you two 5s for the post I would :D :laugh: A masterly piece, surely Monty Python worthy! :D
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
MIM: Ooh - I'll have a pepperoni Pizza.
Totally :laugh:
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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If I could give you two 5s for the post I would :D :laugh: A masterly piece, surely Monty Python worthy! :D
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
MIM: Ooh - I'll have a pepperoni Pizza.
Totally :laugh:
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
surely Monty Python worthy!
Why thank you kind sir... How are you bearing up?
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Pete O'Hanlon wrote: MIM: Ooh - I'll have a pepperoni Pizza. Totally
There goes the diet. But you can redeem yourself with a small side salad ... now where did this body double vanish to ... :-D
:laugh: Knowing my luck, probably hiding amongst the pepperoni in the pizza. I'm so addicted to this now: Clickety[^] They're an acquired taste but after acquiring it, boy is it good :D
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
surely Monty Python worthy!
Why thank you kind sir... How are you bearing up?
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
How are you bearing up?
I'm fine; just bloody ticked off at the amount of wasted time. I almost told off the prosecuting lawyer today. I actually said "such actions are shameful, my time is extremely precious if yours isn't." (in reference to the time wasted due to the pathetic ID issue). Then I calmed down so I wouldn't get sued for verbally abusing the court idiot.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Finally, after an incredibly long delay, we have a session where they brought a witness (at the court's order no less, order being a reprimand that if they don't get a witness they (the prosecution) will be considered incapable of providing evidence). Guess, what? It was a farce all over again. First they show up, the witness is introduced, his name is stated and when asked for picture ID (the courts only accept government approved IDs such as National IDs, Passports, Driver's License etc.) he offered his ATM card and his health insurance card. The judge went "ballistic" is to put it mildly. Ape-poop is more descriptive of the situation. Railing at the lawyer he threatened him of placing him In Contempt of the court for actions that are demeaning to the court. Apparently, this other idiot (the witness is the restaurant's floor manager) was traveling the same day and his passport (he's Lebanese by the way and so he has no local ID) and his passport was at the travel agency (for some insane reason that I'm unaware of). Court is adjourned for an hour when the witness was supposed to return with his passport. He returns, court resumes. You can feel the judge's seething anger at the prosecution throughout the whole hearing. Especially once the witness made it quite evident that he bore no witness to any of the events that occurred and was indeed told everything by a previous witness (the regional manager). This guy came with absolutely no new information, he just parroted everything that guy told him. One thing though in their favor was that he said the regional manager came over to my work place and offered me a big bunch of flowers a basket of fruits and goodies from the restaurant and an open invitation for two as a way of apologizing for what happened. It took my lawyer 5 minutes to decimate the "witness" and his so called testimony. The judge actually spent 20 minutes asking him questions to clarify the records in the court. You can see the conviction in the Judge's eyes that he firmly believes that there was a big fat worm in the salad and that they're suing me out of frustration and spite. Till the 22nd when the farce resumes. [edit] Yay! A univoter! :D
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numb
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Andy_L_J wrote:
My 5 will even that out.
Cheers!
Andy_L_J wrote:
What a waste of everyone's time and money.
Extremely, its the one thing I'm pissed off about. In my counter-sue case I'm going to do my best to make them bleed white.
Andy_L_J wrote:
Looks like you are finally getting towards a conclusion to this farce.
I wish! There's another 9 "witnesses" before they decide to rest or bring in more "evidence" and then whatever witnesses I bring might encourage them to bring more "evidence" again. Its only when they finally rest or declare themselves shoot in the foot or drop the case because they have awoken from their insanity will it end :( I just hope its before I decide to pack up and leave Jordan to do my PhD and greener pastures.
Andy_L_J wrote:
Looking forward to the 'Winning' Post.
Me too, but realistically its about a year away.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Aha! Found a summary I gave to Dario Solara of Screwturn fame. Enjoy :) http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=2443336#xx2443336xx[^]
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
So, basically they are sueing you because you made "public" that there was a worm on your salad? :~ Good luck with that. For sure I will be following the story here! :)
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico My Blog!
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Finally, after an incredibly long delay, we have a session where they brought a witness (at the court's order no less, order being a reprimand that if they don't get a witness they (the prosecution) will be considered incapable of providing evidence). Guess, what? It was a farce all over again. First they show up, the witness is introduced, his name is stated and when asked for picture ID (the courts only accept government approved IDs such as National IDs, Passports, Driver's License etc.) he offered his ATM card and his health insurance card. The judge went "ballistic" is to put it mildly. Ape-poop is more descriptive of the situation. Railing at the lawyer he threatened him of placing him In Contempt of the court for actions that are demeaning to the court. Apparently, this other idiot (the witness is the restaurant's floor manager) was traveling the same day and his passport (he's Lebanese by the way and so he has no local ID) and his passport was at the travel agency (for some insane reason that I'm unaware of). Court is adjourned for an hour when the witness was supposed to return with his passport. He returns, court resumes. You can feel the judge's seething anger at the prosecution throughout the whole hearing. Especially once the witness made it quite evident that he bore no witness to any of the events that occurred and was indeed told everything by a previous witness (the regional manager). This guy came with absolutely no new information, he just parroted everything that guy told him. One thing though in their favor was that he said the regional manager came over to my work place and offered me a big bunch of flowers a basket of fruits and goodies from the restaurant and an open invitation for two as a way of apologizing for what happened. It took my lawyer 5 minutes to decimate the "witness" and his so called testimony. The judge actually spent 20 minutes asking him questions to clarify the records in the court. You can see the conviction in the Judge's eyes that he firmly believes that there was a big fat worm in the salad and that they're suing me out of frustration and spite. Till the 22nd when the farce resumes. [edit] Yay! A univoter! :D
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numb
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
asked for picture ID (the courts only accept government approved IDs
That judge would never survive in Bullhead City. Quite a number of people I know have no ID of any kind. Most have lost their driving licenses for DUI, lack of insurance, or other such infractions, and have so many warrants that they're afraid to show up at the Motor Vehicle Department to apply for an ID card. :laugh:
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
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Finally, after an incredibly long delay, we have a session where they brought a witness (at the court's order no less, order being a reprimand that if they don't get a witness they (the prosecution) will be considered incapable of providing evidence). Guess, what? It was a farce all over again. First they show up, the witness is introduced, his name is stated and when asked for picture ID (the courts only accept government approved IDs such as National IDs, Passports, Driver's License etc.) he offered his ATM card and his health insurance card. The judge went "ballistic" is to put it mildly. Ape-poop is more descriptive of the situation. Railing at the lawyer he threatened him of placing him In Contempt of the court for actions that are demeaning to the court. Apparently, this other idiot (the witness is the restaurant's floor manager) was traveling the same day and his passport (he's Lebanese by the way and so he has no local ID) and his passport was at the travel agency (for some insane reason that I'm unaware of). Court is adjourned for an hour when the witness was supposed to return with his passport. He returns, court resumes. You can feel the judge's seething anger at the prosecution throughout the whole hearing. Especially once the witness made it quite evident that he bore no witness to any of the events that occurred and was indeed told everything by a previous witness (the regional manager). This guy came with absolutely no new information, he just parroted everything that guy told him. One thing though in their favor was that he said the regional manager came over to my work place and offered me a big bunch of flowers a basket of fruits and goodies from the restaurant and an open invitation for two as a way of apologizing for what happened. It took my lawyer 5 minutes to decimate the "witness" and his so called testimony. The judge actually spent 20 minutes asking him questions to clarify the records in the court. You can see the conviction in the Judge's eyes that he firmly believes that there was a big fat worm in the salad and that they're suing me out of frustration and spite. Till the 22nd when the farce resumes. [edit] Yay! A univoter! :D
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numb
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
and his passport was at the travel agency (for some insane reason that I'm unaware of).
it was being dewormed of course.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Till the 22nd when the farce resumes.
May the farce wilt from you. :-D
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"Wrom" court eh? Well I have no idea what a wrom is, but good luck with that one :)
martin_hughes wrote:
"Wrom
WROM is a writable read only memory. it's a legal silliness, you would want ROMs to be discriminated against because they only know how to read, not write, so the government demanded all ROMS be writable.
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So, basically they are sueing you because you made "public" that there was a worm on your salad? :~ Good luck with that. For sure I will be following the story here! :)
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico My Blog!
Not quite but yes that's the gist of it. The assumption is that I sent out emails (think of email chains) to everyone in the world (or at least to the locations where they have restaurants). And since they "refute" that there was a salad, I'm being sued for slander amongst other things. Life is twisted like that.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Think of it as a hobby or blood sport :evil-grin:
Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.
I do try imaginening that their lawyer is being fed to lions or tigers Roman style and that their witnesses are being butchered and quartered. But then, once I hear the[ir]lawyer's whining voice, I snap back to reality and feel disgusted all over again.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
asked for picture ID (the courts only accept government approved IDs
That judge would never survive in Bullhead City. Quite a number of people I know have no ID of any kind. Most have lost their driving licenses for DUI, lack of insurance, or other such infractions, and have so many warrants that they're afraid to show up at the Motor Vehicle Department to apply for an ID card. :laugh:
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Well, to be fair to the judge its not his decision. Its the government's/courts governing body. I don't remember the US having 1 recognized ID card but a whole slew of accepted picture IDs including driver's licenses and even credit cards with your picture on 'em. Is it still the case or has it changed?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
How are you bearing up?
I'm fine; just bloody ticked off at the amount of wasted time. I almost told off the prosecuting lawyer today. I actually said "such actions are shameful, my time is extremely precious if yours isn't." (in reference to the time wasted due to the pathetic ID issue). Then I calmed down so I wouldn't get sued for verbally abusing the court idiot.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Well, to be fair to the judge its not his decision. Its the government's/courts governing body. I don't remember the US having 1 recognized ID card but a whole slew of accepted picture IDs including driver's licenses and even credit cards with your picture on 'em. Is it still the case or has it changed?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
We still use a whole slew of ID cards, as a national card is an odious option for most. Anything that gives the Federal government more power at the expense of States' Rights is a hard sell, though the sheep have allowed worse in recent years.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"