reintegration
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It's okay to be dumb/wrong sometimes as long as you can admit to it with good grace. It's really only the ones that will never admit that they are wrong or that claim to know everything with an absolute, undeniable certainty or are just plain anti-social morons that annoy people: it's the same in real life: there are people I communicate with on here that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on if they were on fire.
digital man wrote:
there are people I communicate with on here that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on if they were on fire.
Yup, he passed me right by one day... :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
What are your views?
That as soon as you broach such a subject, some a-hole-newbie-bronze-wannabe-mofo one votes you :)
martin_hughes wrote:
That as soon as you broach such a subject, some a-hole-newbie-bronze-wannabe-mofo one votes you
Oh I'm expecting it. I just couldn't care less, I'm genuinely interested in reading people's views. With 5mil+ members we do have a lot of said mofos attached to the different forums. Some CPians have broached the live and let live philosophy (I'm one of them, though not there completely) and as such it got me thinking on not only how as community members can we self-moderate smarter, but in the case of one of these mofos decides that they'd rather be a member of this community as opposed to a target of its scorn, how would they be re-integrated? Think about it, there are several I can name off the top of my head and no matter what they say or do right now, they're one voted by many and scorned by nearly all. It is difficult to re-integrate.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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I've noticed that once you get on the CP shitlist it becomes next to impossible to redeem yourself. I'm not speaking for myself, no, I'm not on anyone's list (as far as I know). But it does seem like it is a monumental task to [re]integrate into the community. What are your views?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
What are your views?
I just dropped 7 of them. Oh, you aren't talking about SQL Server views? Seriously, I completely agree. I've seen it myself in the past few days with Boukh, and somewhat earlier than that, with Henize.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
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It's okay to be dumb/wrong sometimes as long as you can admit to it with good grace. It's really only the ones that will never admit that they are wrong or that claim to know everything with an absolute, undeniable certainty or are just plain anti-social morons that annoy people: it's the same in real life: there are people I communicate with on here that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on if they were on fire.
Granted, but some have abandoned their pathetic endeavors and have tried to slip into the community. There do exist glass walls of sorts, once you've been listed it is extremely difficult to get back in. I have to say though, there are some that are definitely pariah material for now and forever and these idiot should never be allowed to reintegrate. You say it perfectly:
digital man wrote:
there are people I communicate with on here that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on if they were on fire.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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I still hassle Link2006 every time he posts in the lounge. That practice has been going on for about two years. I've found that you generally have to just accept the fact that a number of people are never gonna like anything you say, no matter how agnostic your statement might be. In response, you either plan to take steps to deal with it, or just ignore it. I'm not the type that "just ignores it", and think that a little anarchy goes a long way toward keeping the bozos off your back (or at least neutralized). The problem with most of the shitlist folks is that they are either too sensitive to put up a good fight, or they go way over the top in their rebuttals. Instead of targeting a select few, it's almost as if their brains implode and they're reduced to responses limited to 4-letter words, not to mention expressed in very poor Engrish. I try to keep my programming forum and article messages to a more professional level, and even the shitlist people get decent responses unless they say something completely out of bounds.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I'm not the type that "just ignores it"
An obvious statement :)
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
think that a little anarchy goes a long way toward keeping the bozos off your back (or at least neutralized).
True. But what happens when they come out of rehab? Shouldn't they be "let in"? If even at a trial basis after which judgment by their betters is handed down?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
What are your views?
I just dropped 7 of them. Oh, you aren't talking about SQL Server views? Seriously, I completely agree. I've seen it myself in the past few days with Boukh, and somewhat earlier than that, with Henize.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Seriously, I completely agree. I've seen it myself in the past few days with Boukh, and somewhat earlier than that, with Henize.
A subset of what I was hinting at.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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I've noticed that once you get on the CP shitlist it becomes next to impossible to redeem yourself. I'm not speaking for myself, no, I'm not on anyone's list (as far as I know). But it does seem like it is a monumental task to [re]integrate into the community. What are your views?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
I'm not regular enough to be eligible for shitlisting (that a valid term?) so couldn't really say if it's hard or not. That said, I think a few decent posts & admitting when you are wrong goes a long way to redeeming yourself. You could always try buy your way off a shitlist, and if anybody on a shitlist reads this - I'd like a Porsche thanks :)
But fortunately we have the nanny-state politicians who can step in to protect us poor stupid consumers, most of whom would not know a JVM from a frozen chicken. Bruce Pierson
Because programming is an art, not a science. Marc Clifton -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I'm not the type that "just ignores it"
An obvious statement :)
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
think that a little anarchy goes a long way toward keeping the bozos off your back (or at least neutralized).
True. But what happens when they come out of rehab? Shouldn't they be "let in"? If even at a trial basis after which judgment by their betters is handed down?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
But what happens when they come out of rehab? Shouldn't they be "let in"?
By me? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! OOOOOOHHHHHH HA HA HA HA! I haven't laughed so hard since my ex-wife's mother suggested I take her back.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
But what happens when they come out of rehab? Shouldn't they be "let in"?
By me? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! OOOOOOHHHHHH HA HA HA HA! I haven't laughed so hard since my ex-wife's mother suggested I take her back.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Oooookay. Scratch that one. I have to admit, you made me laugh out loud.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I haven't laughed so hard since my ex-wife's mother suggested I take her back.
Good to know I've got comedy points ;)
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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I've noticed that once you get on the CP shitlist it becomes next to impossible to redeem yourself. I'm not speaking for myself, no, I'm not on anyone's list (as far as I know). But it does seem like it is a monumental task to [re]integrate into the community. What are your views?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
What are your views?
Like my GF would say: Who gives a shit? If I do something wrong, I tend to accept the mistake and apologize, and carry on normally. I never make excuses for my mistakes, ever.
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I've noticed that once you get on the CP shitlist it becomes next to impossible to redeem yourself. I'm not speaking for myself, no, I'm not on anyone's list (as far as I know). But it does seem like it is a monumental task to [re]integrate into the community. What are your views?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I've noticed that once you get on the CP shitlist it becomes next to impossible to redeem yourself. I'm not speaking for myself, no, I'm not on anyone's list
CP has no such list
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
But it does seem like it is a monumental task to [re]integrate into the community.
it's the same as any "community": don't be a jerk.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
What are your views?
don't worry about it.
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I'm not regular enough to be eligible for shitlisting (that a valid term?) so couldn't really say if it's hard or not. That said, I think a few decent posts & admitting when you are wrong goes a long way to redeeming yourself. You could always try buy your way off a shitlist, and if anybody on a shitlist reads this - I'd like a Porsche thanks :)
But fortunately we have the nanny-state politicians who can step in to protect us poor stupid consumers, most of whom would not know a JVM from a frozen chicken. Bruce Pierson
Because programming is an art, not a science. Marc CliftonDave Sexton wrote:
I think a few decent posts & admitting when you are wrong goes a long way to redeeming yourself.
That's what I believe too but they do face quite a few obstacles. Almost any and every posting is harassed if it doesn't devolve to a flame war.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I've noticed that once you get on the CP shitlist it becomes next to impossible to redeem yourself. I'm not speaking for myself, no, I'm not on anyone's list
CP has no such list
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
But it does seem like it is a monumental task to [re]integrate into the community.
it's the same as any "community": don't be a jerk.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
What are your views?
don't worry about it.
Lecky has a list!
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I've noticed that once you get on the CP shitlist it becomes next to impossible to redeem yourself. I'm not speaking for myself, no, I'm not on anyone's list
CP has no such list
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
But it does seem like it is a monumental task to [re]integrate into the community.
it's the same as any "community": don't be a jerk.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
What are your views?
don't worry about it.
Chris Losinger wrote:
CP has no such list
Not CP in itself but CPians definitely.
Chris Losinger wrote:
don't worry about it.
I'm not. I'm just wondering out loud.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Lecky has a list!
------------------------------------ "I want you to imagine I have a blaster in my hand" - Zaphod Beeblebrox. "You DO have a blaster in your hand" - Freighter Pilot "Yeah, so you don't have to tax your imagination too hard" - Zaphod Beeblebrox
Please don't bring that up again. It doesn't do anybody any good and will only lead to flames again.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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I've noticed that once you get on the CP shitlist it becomes next to impossible to redeem yourself. I'm not speaking for myself, no, I'm not on anyone's list (as far as I know). But it does seem like it is a monumental task to [re]integrate into the community. What are your views?
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Or they could just create a new account with a new name and start over?
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Please don't bring that up again. It doesn't do anybody any good and will only lead to flames again.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Gosh Will It? ;)
------------------------------------ "I want you to imagine I have a blaster in my hand" - Zaphod Beeblebrox. "You DO have a blaster in your hand" - Freighter Pilot "Yeah, so you don't have to tax your imagination too hard" - Zaphod Beeblebrox
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
What are your views?
I just dropped 7 of them. Oh, you aren't talking about SQL Server views? Seriously, I completely agree. I've seen it myself in the past few days with Boukh, and somewhat earlier than that, with Henize.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Seriously, I completely agree. I've seen it myself in the past few days with Boukh, and somewhat earlier than that, with Henize.
Yup - I couldn't agree more. More importantly, I'm not going to be a hypocrite here - I'm going to admit that I've hassled and harassed some of these people in the past, and I'm going to attempt to be a grown up about it and judge each post on it's merits (of course if the post has no merit then I'm going nuclear on their ass). Recently, we've seen Leckey and CodeFrog hassled off the boards (and not because of things they were doing on CP) - something I feel really bad about, and I feel that we are in real danger of becoming intolerant and elitist. So, I'm taking time to reflect on what a jerk I've been and would hope that others do the same. As Marc said (paraphrased heavily), it's our diversity that makes CP better than the sum of its parts. It's time we got back to the roots of CP and made people feel welcome once more.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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It's okay to be dumb/wrong sometimes as long as you can admit to it with good grace. It's really only the ones that will never admit that they are wrong or that claim to know everything with an absolute, undeniable certainty or are just plain anti-social morons that annoy people: it's the same in real life: there are people I communicate with on here that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on if they were on fire.
digital man wrote:
to piss on if they were on fire
Be careful not to do that after drinking beers! :)
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Chris Losinger wrote:
CP has no such list
Not CP in itself but CPians definitely.
Chris Losinger wrote:
don't worry about it.
I'm not. I'm just wondering out loud.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Not CP in itself but CPians definitely
then it's not a CP issue. and frankly, IMO, if someone keeps a public list of people they don't like, they're asking for arguments. and unless i want part of that argument, i'd ignore any such list.