Back Pain...
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The exercise balls can be good, but can be a disaster. I use a saddle chair, which, unlike a ball, DOES force you into a good position. And I have a desk that raises and lowers so I work standing for half the day.
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I tried one of those chairs where you sort of kneel on them, probably not what you mean but it didn't help me at all. Nothing helped like regular exercise. The balls are relatively cheap and you can use them for part of the day so if it does help it's worth it, if not you can paint it like a alien egg or something. :) In the end it's just a really bad idea to sit in one position for 8 or 12 hours a day and add in lack of exercise and it's a recipe for disaster.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
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Geeze...maybe I should get an alias? :~ Can you change your account name and your posts & articles change with it? There are so many guys in the world named David Lockwood that I guess I can hide...there's one here in town and I'm always getting phonecalls for him. It wasn't meeeeeeeeee...it was another Dave...an evil Dave....and..and...I killed him :)
Only if you feel like it. If I wasn't representing my company so often online in other places I'd definitely have stuck with the full name. I think your name is only stored in one place, that was my experience.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
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Funny. I shoveled 9 yards of gravel and 6 yards of sod in one weekend. I could tell it was just what I needed. We have 9 yards of dirt coming soon and I'm excited to tear into that as well.
Sod? We're at war on our grass. I've gotten rid of as much of it as possible (learned some neat tricks for doing that more easily) and replanted with Dutch White Clover instead. It's a short variety that can withstand light traffic. I'm sick of mowing and clover looks so much nicer. Plus it's good for the bees, but mostly my wife and I both hate mowing and grass is entirely redundant to us. We have just under 3 acres here and we've been building trails all over a lot of it. Since last September I've wheelbarrowed 36 yards with about 12 more to go of the road crush. It's a mix of sand and gravel they use under roads but it makes a good trail and compacts nicely. We probably have a kilometer of trails by now but I haven't added it all up properly. The only place the gravel can be delivered is right at the front of the property and most of the trails are at the back and about 12 feet lower elevation than the front with some little hills here and there so it's been quite a workout. We had one wheelbarrow go down already (actually the tire went and my wife practically ripped it apart trying to get it off and broke the frame, it was pretty funny when I saw what she did, all it needed was a little wd40 to loosen the bolt. :))
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
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Sod? We're at war on our grass. I've gotten rid of as much of it as possible (learned some neat tricks for doing that more easily) and replanted with Dutch White Clover instead. It's a short variety that can withstand light traffic. I'm sick of mowing and clover looks so much nicer. Plus it's good for the bees, but mostly my wife and I both hate mowing and grass is entirely redundant to us. We have just under 3 acres here and we've been building trails all over a lot of it. Since last September I've wheelbarrowed 36 yards with about 12 more to go of the road crush. It's a mix of sand and gravel they use under roads but it makes a good trail and compacts nicely. We probably have a kilometer of trails by now but I haven't added it all up properly. The only place the gravel can be delivered is right at the front of the property and most of the trails are at the back and about 12 feet lower elevation than the front with some little hills here and there so it's been quite a workout. We had one wheelbarrow go down already (actually the tire went and my wife practically ripped it apart trying to get it off and broke the frame, it was pretty funny when I saw what she did, all it needed was a little wd40 to loosen the bolt. :))
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
You want some palm trees to go with your trails? I have a bazillion or so that I want to get rid of... Of course the freight (not to mention quarantine rules) might kill you!!
------------------------------------------- Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Just bugger off and leave me alone!!
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Hey John a while back you and I hashed out back pain for a good 5 or 10 posts and you said that you had your workspace adjusted and it really helped. Can you describe chair height? Mine was really high and my feet couldn't touch the floor. It made me slouch a lot. I've lowered it and don't slouch as much. Now I'm wondering... is there a too low and is there a just right and do you have an opinion on low/high? Anyone besides John can jump in. I'm just really curious to hear from people what their experience has been. I decided that despite the pain I wanted to be an athlete more than I wanted to be dependent on pain medicines. So I stopped all the pain medicines. Since then I've become very attenuated to what hurts and relieves my back pain. Oddly enough if I don't exercise I'm a hurting man for sure. I've also found that push-ups (hold them for 10 seconds at the top) are a pain-killer on their own for me. So instead of taking morphine, oxycontin, oxycodone, hydrocodone, [addicto]codone I'm looking for other options. Since my butt spends 12 hours a day in a chair minimum I figured that might be a good place to start. Of course getting less chair time would be nice too.
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I used to be 230 pounds and had a bad back for many years. I'm free from back pain since a year now. But there were no magic cure, it was several small things together helping. First of all, change position frequently, never allow your muscles to stiffen up. Which chair to use is up to you, we're all different. I'm having a normal but fairly expensive office chair with a good support for my lower back. I have a curved table so that I can rest my arms on it without leaning. And my table is motorized so it can be set to different heights so that I can work standing. If you're overweight, lose it! I'm now 200 pounds and still losing. Do some heavy work, I can't put it better then John already have. Do long walks in the forest on an uneven surface, that also gives your backmuscles some dynamic work to do. It's the static work that gives you muscle pain!
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code-frog wrote:
What was your specific medical problem do you know? My facet joints are a total mess, bulging discs, narrow spinal column, thick head... [Cool]
A combination of sciatica & scoliosis, both the result of too much sitting and poor posture. I was really at my wits end with the pain and willing to give anything a go. I'd tried physio, chiro, swimming & spending days in bed before I went to see this guy.
This little application: http://www.workrave.org/[^] (which personally i find annoying...hihihi )might help u remember it's time to do "the move" and leave the damn chair for a while... This link: http://www.utwente.nl/pao/en/info_voor/medewerkers/working_conditions/Beeldschermwerk%20en%20RSI%20(UT)_EN.doc/[^] might help u as well....At least u get a picture where u can see how to position ur chair... Man...must be tough with all this pains... Good luck and i hope this will help a bit! Cheers Roxana
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I am 6 feet 200Lb and I had sever Back Pain for 15 years- Nothing Worked. Two things helped completely: 1.0 Get a farm mattress like Futon Mattress. 2.0 Get a Prfesional Gymball- 50 sec exercize for 2 days a week made me completely back pain free. You can get Gym ball from Sports clinic stores. Cheers
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Hi all; I remembered reading this [^]article on sitting posture. Secondly. I do not believe in medications for most cases of back pain. I subscribe to the belief that our body has not evolved into what it is to perform work sitting down. Sit down work is mostly a recent 'invention'. To exacerbate matters further some of us (myself included) tend to be overweight to varying degrees. I discovered that the secret to a back pain free life IS exercise - no going around it. Get off your butt and do something. It is not a matter of running a 4 minute mile, it is just a matter of doing something active you like and enjoy a couple of times a week (ie: not just on holidays). And it is not something that takes hours either. In my case 30 - 40 mins 3 - 4 times a week does the trick. The hardest thing is starting. Initially it might feel tiring and painful to take more than 50 - 100 steps if you are not used to activity. That situation changes after 2 or 3 'sessions' and your body will start feeling good and at times even 'beg for more'. Additionally exercise will help you sleep better too. I am not a fitness freak. I do not have 6-pack abs and toned muscled arms. I am in not in perfect shape and like beer and food more than I should. However I do practise what I wrote above and the only time my back hurts is when the boss flogs me. :) Hope this helps motivate someone. Me
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Of all the people I know who ever went to a chiropractor about 20% swear by them and go regularly. The other 80% have all reported horror stories of major injuries or increased pain and will never go again. Admittedly this is only about 30 people so it's not super scientific but it sure scares me off of the prospect. I'm guessing it boils down to whether the chiropractor is good at their job or now. It seems like just the sort of field that people would go into half assed to make some cash (probably the ones trying to sell people orthotics which was conclusively shown to be the biggest scam going right now).
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
John C wrote:
I'm guessing it boils down to whether the chiropractor is good at their job or now.
There is another choice for joint adjustments. An osteopath is a doctor (of sorts, he can, for instance, write prescriptions which chiropractors can't) who specializes in the snap, crackle, and popping of joints. Since the degree is harder to get than a DC, there are fewer of em, and they tend to cost more.
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What was your specific medical problem do you know? My facet joints are a total mess, bulging discs, narrow spinal column, thick head... :cool:
Why on gods earth somebody threw 1 vote at you for that post, is quite beyond me. Here's a 5.
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I am a believer in the chiropractor. If one thing is out of alignment, everything goes out of alignment. Not too long ago the Hubby was having back problems--his hip was out of place. Once back in place he was fine. There are different techniques--I like the hands-on, not the the little device that looks like a small metal pogo stick. If you have never been, at first it's like, "okay....what is he doing....WTF? I AM NOT AN OWL!" See Eddie Izzard's Dressed to Kill. I go in about 1x per month to have everything adjusted. Because I sneeze so hard, I have a couple of ribs that go out of place. I have TMJ so I have my jaw reset when it gets too painful. I have read that your knees should be at the 90 degree angle when sitting at your desk. I prefer to sit what is refered to as "Indian style" in my chair. If I get up at least once every 1/2 hour that also helps. I have a vertical mouse so my forearm bones don't twist, and a split keyboard. Stretching and yoga also help.
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leckey wrote:
Because I sneeze so hard, I have a couple of ribs that go out of place.
:omg: Flippin eck leckey, restrain yourself!
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Hey John a while back you and I hashed out back pain for a good 5 or 10 posts and you said that you had your workspace adjusted and it really helped. Can you describe chair height? Mine was really high and my feet couldn't touch the floor. It made me slouch a lot. I've lowered it and don't slouch as much. Now I'm wondering... is there a too low and is there a just right and do you have an opinion on low/high? Anyone besides John can jump in. I'm just really curious to hear from people what their experience has been. I decided that despite the pain I wanted to be an athlete more than I wanted to be dependent on pain medicines. So I stopped all the pain medicines. Since then I've become very attenuated to what hurts and relieves my back pain. Oddly enough if I don't exercise I'm a hurting man for sure. I've also found that push-ups (hold them for 10 seconds at the top) are a pain-killer on their own for me. So instead of taking morphine, oxycontin, oxycodone, hydrocodone, [addicto]codone I'm looking for other options. Since my butt spends 12 hours a day in a chair minimum I figured that might be a good place to start. Of course getting less chair time would be nice too.
modified on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:45 PM
I stopped putting my wallet (very thin, if you want to know :-D ) in my back pocket. The pain from my crushed vertebrae went away (almost). The story about how I got the crushed vertebrae involves a love-sick 800 kilogram Holstein-Fresian and an iron bar...
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Hey John a while back you and I hashed out back pain for a good 5 or 10 posts and you said that you had your workspace adjusted and it really helped. Can you describe chair height? Mine was really high and my feet couldn't touch the floor. It made me slouch a lot. I've lowered it and don't slouch as much. Now I'm wondering... is there a too low and is there a just right and do you have an opinion on low/high? Anyone besides John can jump in. I'm just really curious to hear from people what their experience has been. I decided that despite the pain I wanted to be an athlete more than I wanted to be dependent on pain medicines. So I stopped all the pain medicines. Since then I've become very attenuated to what hurts and relieves my back pain. Oddly enough if I don't exercise I'm a hurting man for sure. I've also found that push-ups (hold them for 10 seconds at the top) are a pain-killer on their own for me. So instead of taking morphine, oxycontin, oxycodone, hydrocodone, [addicto]codone I'm looking for other options. Since my butt spends 12 hours a day in a chair minimum I figured that might be a good place to start. Of course getting less chair time would be nice too.
modified on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:45 PM
you might be interested in one of these: http://www.hagdirect.com//category-6470/product-18952/H%c3%85G/HÅG-H03-350.html[^] absoutely brilliant chair, it costs £££ but it's done wonders for my back. By far the best chair I've ever sat in. The chair doesn't have a locked position - instead it rocks so your body is in motion the entire time you are sat in it, without you really realising. It feels weird sitting in a non-pivoting chair now.
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Only if you feel like it. If I wasn't representing my company so often online in other places I'd definitely have stuck with the full name. I think your name is only stored in one place, that was my experience.
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
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Hey John a while back you and I hashed out back pain for a good 5 or 10 posts and you said that you had your workspace adjusted and it really helped. Can you describe chair height? Mine was really high and my feet couldn't touch the floor. It made me slouch a lot. I've lowered it and don't slouch as much. Now I'm wondering... is there a too low and is there a just right and do you have an opinion on low/high? Anyone besides John can jump in. I'm just really curious to hear from people what their experience has been. I decided that despite the pain I wanted to be an athlete more than I wanted to be dependent on pain medicines. So I stopped all the pain medicines. Since then I've become very attenuated to what hurts and relieves my back pain. Oddly enough if I don't exercise I'm a hurting man for sure. I've also found that push-ups (hold them for 10 seconds at the top) are a pain-killer on their own for me. So instead of taking morphine, oxycontin, oxycodone, hydrocodone, [addicto]codone I'm looking for other options. Since my butt spends 12 hours a day in a chair minimum I figured that might be a good place to start. Of course getting less chair time would be nice too.
modified on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:45 PM
My advice is: move ur fat ass and go for walk, go swim, ride a bicycle, stop eat that fat ugly tasting burgers, get a real life instead of sitting on butt and watching dots on LCD. And ask urself a question: do i want to be happy and healthy or do i want to be 'no life' and die in pain? Choice is yours.
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Geeze...maybe I should get an alias? :~ Can you change your account name and your posts & articles change with it? There are so many guys in the world named David Lockwood that I guess I can hide...there's one here in town and I'm always getting phonecalls for him. It wasn't meeeeeeeeee...it was another Dave...an evil Dave....and..and...I killed him :)
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Hey John a while back you and I hashed out back pain for a good 5 or 10 posts and you said that you had your workspace adjusted and it really helped. Can you describe chair height? Mine was really high and my feet couldn't touch the floor. It made me slouch a lot. I've lowered it and don't slouch as much. Now I'm wondering... is there a too low and is there a just right and do you have an opinion on low/high? Anyone besides John can jump in. I'm just really curious to hear from people what their experience has been. I decided that despite the pain I wanted to be an athlete more than I wanted to be dependent on pain medicines. So I stopped all the pain medicines. Since then I've become very attenuated to what hurts and relieves my back pain. Oddly enough if I don't exercise I'm a hurting man for sure. I've also found that push-ups (hold them for 10 seconds at the top) are a pain-killer on their own for me. So instead of taking morphine, oxycontin, oxycodone, hydrocodone, [addicto]codone I'm looking for other options. Since my butt spends 12 hours a day in a chair minimum I figured that might be a good place to start. Of course getting less chair time would be nice too.
modified on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:45 PM
Try a physio ball instead of a chair. I've been doing this for a few years now and I'm convinced that it has saved me. The main advantage to the ball is that it has almost no mass so almost everything you do causes you to move a little bit. Every time you move you use your back muscles which improves circualtion, keeps the muscles from stiffening up and hopefully reduces muscle atrophy. I also tend to sit up straigter, the most comfortable way to sit on the ball is with your but on the forward part of the ball with your feet tucked in in the front. This naturally makes you tend to sit straight. It's also great if you want to stretch out. The down side is that you sit lower than you probably would otherwise, other people like to kick it around and they can be cold in the winter. Sometimes I get tired of it and go back to a regualar chair, but the back aches always bring me back Good luck ;)
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My advice is: move ur fat ass and go for walk, go swim, ride a bicycle, stop eat that fat ugly tasting burgers, get a real life instead of sitting on butt and watching dots on LCD. And ask urself a question: do i want to be happy and healthy or do i want to be 'no life' and die in pain? Choice is yours.
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leckey wrote:
Because I sneeze so hard, I have a couple of ribs that go out of place.
:omg: Flippin eck leckey, restrain yourself!
It's worse when I try to hold back the sneeze, like in meetings. I've actually started crying. I'm considering contacting the Guiness Book of World Records to see if I have the loudest sneeze. Oh, I'm not allowed to sneeze in the car without warning my hubby.
Shhhhh..... http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
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It's worse when I try to hold back the sneeze, like in meetings. I've actually started crying. I'm considering contacting the Guiness Book of World Records to see if I have the loudest sneeze. Oh, I'm not allowed to sneeze in the car without warning my hubby.
Shhhhh..... http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
Ouch...I think we need to see a leckey sneeze on youtube... :laugh:
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Someone created a new account to troll.:suss:
Shhhhh..... http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
Givina advices how to stay a little more healthy is troling in ur opinion? Thats interesting.